First it's Ann's Dressage Horse, Now it's a Damn Shirt!

[cannabineer]

What have we then Canna? You are a moderate who will be voting for a socialist? Hardly a moderate action. You had some value when you were an undecided and the moderates I am aware of take pride in their ambivalence. What about Romney has given you that itch?

I know where Obama stands for the most part, even if I strongly disagree with some of what he's done. Romney has a well-documented statement favoring, then excoriating pretty much every issue there is today. I have no confidence he won't simply be a figurehead for the controlling interests. I guess you could call it a protean allergy. cn

 

[canndo]

I know where Obama stands for the most part, even if I strongly disagree with some of what he's done. Romney has a well-documented statement favoring, then excoriating pretty much every issue there is today. I have no confidence he won't simply be a figurehead for the controlling interests. I guess you could call it a protean allergy. cn

You are voting Obama's record vs Romney's record?

 

[cannabineer]

You are voting Obama's record vs Romney's record?

I'm voting the evil I know against the evil I fear. It's ... not entirely rational. What could sway me would be a Romney pledge to combat institutional secrecy, except where it is in the charter (say, CIA or NSA) ... a plank that Obama has not handled well imo. But i don't think Romney would be an improvement. He seems to belong firmly to them whut bought'im in the first place. cn

 

[beenthere]

No, the expensive shirts are not talking points except for the right, the right is the one making an issue not of the disparity but of the fact that the left is pointing out that disparity.

This kind of tactical denial is feeble defense.

As I said and you did not address, Mccain likely would have been far less able, less agile and less reaonable in the face of the tremendous problems Obama found himself involved in. I am just as frustrated as you are at the state of the economy but you have yet to explain how Mccain would have done better. Those are the choices we had, Obama or Mccain. We think Obama did better than Mccain would have.

Why would you or better yet I, waste my time on a hypothetical of the past?

We don't think Romney will do better, why do you think, given Romney's inability to lay out a plan, anyone should vote for him?

Your claim that Romney hasn't laid out a plan is talking point fallacy and you know it.

So lets stay on the original OP subject of Ann Romneys shirt, are you saying the MSM didn't attack her for being out of touch with the average American for wearing a $1000 shirt and do you feel the same about Michelle Obama's $7,000 jacket?

 

[canndo]

I'm voting the evil I know against the evil I fear. It's ... not entirely rational. What could sway me would be a Romney pledge to combat institutional secrecy, except where it is in the charter (say, CIA or NSA) ... a plank that Obama has not handled well imo. But i don't think Romney would be an improvement. He seems to belong firmly to them whut bought'im in the first place. cn

That would turn you around? secrecy in government? What if he presented a 10 point plan to get us on a faster recovery and that plan made sense to you? What if he laid out an advanced and comprehensive energy policy?

What if he said that his first day in office he would release all those incarcertated for posession of marijuana?

 

[canndo]

This kind of tactical denial is feeble defense.



Why would you or better yet I, waste my time on a hypothetical of the past?



Your claim that Romney hasn't laid out a plan is talking point fallacy and you know it.

So lets stay on the original OP subject of Ann Romneys shirt, are you saying the MSM didn't attack her for being out of touch with the average American for wearing a $1000 shirt and do you feel the same about Michelle Obama's $7,000 jacket?

Wait a minute. I am not saying that the MSM didn't attack her, I am saying that they did attack her for being out of touch. If you read my post previous you will see that I said I thought it was imprudent of Michelle to be wearing such an outfit.

Seems you slipped up Beenthere, you strayed off point and are agreeing with me that the issue is not, nor has it ever been the price of the shirt or the jacket but the message it sends us all.

 

[cannabineer]

That would turn you around? secrecy in government? What if he presented a 10 point plan to get us on a faster recovery and that plan made sense to you? What if he laid out an advanced and comprehensive energy policy?

What if he said that his first day in office he would release all those incarcertated for posession of marijuana?

If he did one of these things, it would impress me.

If he did one or both of these things and provided confidence that Congress would not torpedo it, he'd have more than my attention ... he'd probably have my vote. The ultimate problem and power lie with that august* body. cn

*Hot, humid, buggy, and often out to lunch.

 

[canndo]

If he did one of these things, it would impress me.

If he did one or both of these things and provided confidence that Congress would not torpedo it, he'd have more than my attention ... he'd probably have my vote. The ultimate problem and power lie with that august* body. cn

*Hot, humid, buggy, and often out to lunch.

Impressed yes but would you vote for him? Note that except for the marijuana thing I didn't mention if his plans would entail rightist or lefist policies, just something concrete and in anticipation of the problems we may well have in the next 4 years. I was actually leading up to some grand statement with your help.... but I forgot where I was headed.

Happens -especially here.

 

[cannabineer]

Impressed yes but would you vote for him? Note that except for the marijuana thing I didn't mention if his plans would entail rightist or lefist policies, just something concrete and in anticipation of the problems we may well have in the next 4 years. I was actually leading up to some grand statement with your help.... but I forgot where I was headed.

Happens -especially here.

Since the scenario you developed has a snowball's chance in a Dubai parking lot ... it'll end up No. But the campaign has another three months left to run, and who knows what wild cards will be drawn. I am curious as to the grand statement, so if memory should reconnect, please [refer to image]. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

It gets even worse, canndo. I am a Radical Centrist, advocating an overwhelming excess of moderation. I have memberships at Drizzlefront and What Progress. It's dizzyingly motionless here at the Extreme Center. cn

i advocate moderation, but only in moderation.

 

[canndo]

Forgive me, my mind is on Tomato wilt virus - it seems I am infected and will soon have to spray for thrips and maybe throw a little copper in the mix for late blight. Many of my fruit are just short of being at the breaker stage and I am so tempted to just let them sit for another week but doing so might endanger my entire years crop. So my grand statements are a little off point if they exist at all today.

 

[NoDrama]

you righties always complain about needing to balance the deficit and rail against entitlements that help the working poor, while never making a peep about a $77,731.00 deduction for a multi-millionaire's dancing horse.

pfffft a $77K write off for a horse is nothing, I wrote off $250,000 for just a single Alpaca.

 

[ChesusRice]

A $1000 shirt is a talking point, a car elevator is a talking point, lies about a $77k deduction on a dressage horse is a talking point, even Michelle Obama's $7,000 tablecloth jacket is a talking point.

But a 1.5% in gdp growth and 8.2% unemployment is point everyone will be talking about in November and it's a disastrous reality!

"Today's estimate from ADP, if re-enforced by a similar reading on employment
from the BLS [Bureau of Labor Statistics] on Friday, will alleviate concerns
that the economy has slipped into a downturn," Prakken said.

Small businesses with fewer than 50 employees took the lead in hiring, adding
73,000 positions.

Medium-sized businesses grew payrolls by 67,000, while large companies with
at least 500 workers added 23,000 positions.

Manufacturers added 6,000 positions, while the service sector brought on
148,000 workers last month. Construction employment rose for the second straight
month, adding 5,000 jobs. The financial services sector added 9,000 positions,
the 12th month of gains.

Businesses have restored nearly four million jobs over the past 2.5 years,
according to ADP.

The current pattern of employment gains, averaging a little above 150,000 in
June and July, show that hiring isn't as weak as some say, said Paul Ashworth,
chief U.S. economist for Capital Economics.

"Not great, but just about enough to keep the unemployment rate on a gradual
downward trend," he said.

The ADP report -- which only tracks private-sector employment -- is closely
watched as a harbinger of the government's monthly jobs report. But it isn't
always a good predictor. In June, for example, the Labor Department's report
came in much weaker than the ADP report had many expecting.

 

[ChesusRice]

A $1000 shirt is a talking point, a car elevator is a talking point, lies about a $77k deduction on a dressage horse is a talking point, even Michelle Obama's $7,000 tablecloth jacket is a talking point.

But a 1.5% in gdp growth and 8.2% unemployment is point everyone will be talking about in November and it's a disastrous reality!

Federal spending is lower now than it was when President Obama took office. I’ll pause to let you absorb the news.In January 2009, before President Obama had even taken the oath of office, annual spending was set to total 24.9 percent of gross domestic product. Total spending this year, fiscal year 2012, is expected to top out at 23.4 percent of GDP.
Here’s another interesting fact. Taxes today are lower than they were on inauguration day 2009. Back in January 2009, the CBO projected that total federal tax revenue that year would amount to 16.5 percent of GDP. This year? 15.8 percent.
One last nugget. The deficit this year is going to be lower than what it was on the day President Obama took office. Back then, the CBO said the 2009 deficit would be 8.3 percent of GDP. This year’s deficit is expected to come in at 7.6 percent

 

[canndo]

Federal spending is lower now than it was when President Obama took office. I’ll pause to let you absorb the news.In January 2009, before President Obama had even taken the oath of office, annual spending was set to total 24.9 percent of gross domestic product. Total spending this year, fiscal year 2012, is expected to top out at 23.4 percent of GDP.
Here’s another interesting fact. Taxes today are lower than they were on inauguration day 2009. Back in January 2009, the CBO projected that total federal tax revenue that year would amount to 16.5 percent of GDP. This year? 15.8 percent.
One last nugget. The deficit this year is going to be lower than what it was on the day President Obama took office. Back then, the CBO said the 2009 deficit would be 8.3 percent of GDP. This year’s deficit is expected to come in at 7.6 percent

Can we get a response from BeenThere?

 

[Harrekin]

Federal spending is lower now than it was when President Obama took office. I’ll pause to let you absorb the news.In January 2009, before President Obama had even taken the oath of office, annual spending was set to total 24.9 percent of gross domestic product. Total spending this year, fiscal year 2012, is expected to top out at 23.4 percent of GDP.
Here’s another interesting fact. Taxes today are lower than they were on inauguration day 2009. Back in January 2009, the CBO projected that total federal tax revenue that year would amount to 16.5 percent of GDP. This year? 15.8 percent.
One last nugget. The deficit this year is going to be lower than what it was on the day President Obama took office. Back then, the CBO said the 2009 deficit would be 8.3 percent of GDP. This year’s deficit is expected to come in at 7.6 percent

Nice copy/paste bro!

 

[beenthere]

Can we get a response from BeenThere?

What am I suppose to respond to, that Chesus doesn't know the difference between less taxes and less tax revenue? LOL

 

[canndo]

What am I suppose to respond to, that Chesus doesn't know the difference between less taxes and less tax revenue? LOL

No, the part where it says that annual spending is down and that the deficit is down as well. Seem according to this he is making some headway.

 

[beenthere]

No, the part where it says that annual spending is down and that the deficit is down as well. Seem according to this he is making some headway.

Nah, he's using massaged figures to make it bend his way, that myth was debunked the day the administration came up with it.

Plus he's claiming taxes are lower than when Obama took office, which we all know is rubbish.
Tax revenue is lower and of course it is when we have 8.2% unemployment!

Here are the simple irrefutable facts.
[h=3]Facts About the U.S. Debt[/h]

• Today the U.S. Debt = $15.5 trillion
• When President Obama took office in 2009 the U.S. Debt = $9.986 trillion
• When President Bush took office in 2001 the U.S. Debt = $5.629 trillion
• The U.S. owes more money than any other nation in the history of the world
• The U.S. debt is up 54% under President Obama in just over three years
• By the end of President Obama’s first term the U.S. debt will have increased by a larger amount than under President Bush’s entire two-term presidency
• Debt per citizen = $49,300
• Debt per taxpayer = $136,000
• Over 60% of all spending is on the “Big Four" - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and National Defense

 

[beenthere]

No, the part where it says that annual spending is down and that the deficit is down as well. Seem according to this he is making some headway.

Nah, he's using massaged figures to make it bend his way, that myth was debunked the day the administration came up with it.

Plus he's claiming taxes are lower than when Obama took office, which we all know is rubbish.
Tax revenue is lower and of course it is when we have 8.2% unemployment!

Here are the simple irrefutable facts.
Facts About the U.S. Debt

• Today the U.S. Debt = $15.5 trillion
• When President Obama took office in 2009 the U.S. Debt = $9.986 trillion
• When President Bush took office in 2001 the U.S. Debt = $5.629 trillion
• The U.S. owes more money than any other nation in the history of the world
• The U.S. debt is up 54% under President Obama in just over three years
• By the end of President Obama’s first term the U.S. debt will have increased by a larger amount than under President Bush’s entire two-term presidency
• Debt per citizen = $49,300
• Debt per taxpayer = $136,000
• Over 60% of all spending is on the “Big Four" - Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and National Defense

Now that is headway!