911 conspiracy theory

cannabineer said:
Oh my. "This is a proven fact"; you went and did it with zero sense of shame.

I challenge you to find one unimpeachable source instead of telling the blatantly unreal tale that "the smallest amount" of research can locate one. I did look and got a solid wall of self-disqualifying digests: blogs, Youtube daftumentaries or the "testimony" websites like the ones mellowfarmer accepts as authoritative. We could argue also about the real meaning of the word "research" in this context, as I feel it is being abused when Google is considered sufficient. But I'd rather not; I'm more interested in one single unimpeachable fact from one single unimpeachable source. So far, that has not come onto the table. cn
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I provided alot of facts so far, but ill go ahead and confirm one for ya anyways..

" Don’t believe that our government is capable or that ruthless to murder Americans to justify a war in Iraq? Read about "Operation Northwoods", which shows plans that Lyman Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up in 1962 and approved for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. They proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba. The plan called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; a commercial plane full of college students to be shot down; a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. They even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation." People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing they needed to launch their war."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Thats just one, I can do the same for the rest if you really want to waste my time.
 
guy incognito said:
I've seen the video. I believe it happened and that the video exists. My big problem with it is that there is a much much simpler explanation that makes sense. Maybe there was a communication error somewhere? They knew wtc 7 was coming down, it was just a matter of when.

Even if you assume every other aspect of the 911 conspiracy theory is true it still doesn't make sense to say that the reporters got a script before hand. Not even by the ass backwards logic of a truther can you make any kind of rationale for telling reporters before hand. The tower falling is one of those details that need not be fed to reporters. It will be self evident.
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If you're like 99% of people, and do not understand the laws of physics on even a basic level, the official story makes sense. If you actually do understand the laws of physics, the entire story is a joke. Forget all the insane coincidences. Trillions missing from the Pentagon. The next day 9/11 happens, the people investigating the missing funds are all killed at the Pentagon and further evidence of the missing funds is destroyed when WTC7 goes down (forget the countless other investigations that were destroyed by this action, including a lot of important ones that were news worthy).

You say: "Look @ NIST!"

I say: "They won't even make the numbers they used to run the simulation public."

As far as why various important members of the executive and DoD wouldn't even testify under oath, well, you tell me.

Ignoring how this obviously fit with a stated military agenda that was outlined in various PNAC documents, including one where it said they couldn't implement any of this unless a major event happened to catalyze public opinion, then they ran with it and lied to go to war where hundreds of thousands were killed for their own benefit... but obviously it's too much a stretch to think they could have orchestrated it, despite having means, motive and opportunity. Did you know Marvin Bush sat on the board of the company responsible for security of the towers ? Just another coincidence?
 
guy incognito said:
The official view of the us government is that gravity does in fact exist. It pulls objects towards either other with a force proportional to their masses and inversely proportional to the distance between them. By your logic gravity must not actually exist because the government is incapable of telling the truth in any aspect.
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Funny you mention the laws of physics, did you know when buildings collapse they DO NOT cut through the path of most resistance like it's not even there, ever? Well, except on 9/11.
 
guy incognito said:
What about it? It got hit with debris, burned, and fell down. Reporters made a mistake in saying it fell down early. Are you saying that the largest conspiracy ever involving thousands of willful participants was orchestrated and pulled off with military precision (yet somehow they left leroy in charge of delivering the "news scripts" to CNN), is more plausible than someone at CNN having a communication error during a live broadcast?
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smokyadams said:
By grasping at straws, and laying the blame on anything other than senseless, random violence - the very hallmark of al Qaeda's crusade - truthers are trying to make order where there is none, and in the end, the only people they want to make feel better are themselves.
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You really think believing the government/select government supporters might be behind this makes someone sleep better at night?
 
guy incognito said:
What about it? It got hit with debris, burned, and fell down. Reporters made a mistake in saying it fell down early. Are you saying that the largest conspiracy ever involving thousands of willful participants was orchestrated and pulled off with military precision (yet somehow they left leroy in charge of delivering the "news scripts" to CNN), is more plausible than someone at CNN having a communication error during a live broadcast?
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Also, quite a "mistake" to make given no building had ever collapsed in that fashion ever in our short history of constructing such buildings.
 
guy incognito said:
YOU are the one that brought it up.



You think it's an inside job, and the rationale you gave is that you cannot trust the government because of cannabis legislation. You did not explain how you arrived at selectively trusting what the government says.

What about the evidence? Evidence like cause and effect of a plane hitting the building, and it's eventual demise, all of which is perfectly consistent with exactly what we would expect in those parameters.
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Actually you shouldn't trust the government because (and this is a highly condensed and incomplete list off the top of my head):

Iraq War
Drug War
Iran Contra
Torture scandals
Gitmo
Continually lying from almost all politicians
Tuskegee
Operation Northwoods
Operation Paperclip
Cointelpro
The fact families like the Bush family got off scott free on supporting Nazi's during the war.
Bay of Pigs
Gulf of Tonkin
Spanish War
etc etc etc etc etc

And that's just your own government
 
OGEvilgenius said:
If you're like 99% of people, and do not understand the laws of physics on even a basic level, the official story makes sense. If you actually do understand the laws of physics, the entire story is a joke. Forget all the insane coincidences. Trillions missing from the Pentagon. The next day 9/11 happens, the people investigating the missing funds are all killed at the Pentagon and further evidence of the missing funds is destroyed when WTC7 goes down (forget the countless other investigations that were destroyed by this action, including a lot of important ones that were news worthy).

You say: "Look @ NIST!"

I say: "They won't even make the numbers they used to run the simulation public."

As far as why various important members of the executive and DoD wouldn't even testify under oath, well, you tell me.

Ignoring how this obviously fit with a stated military agenda that was outlined in various PNAC documents, including one where it said they couldn't implement any of this unless a major event happened to catalyze public opinion, then they ran with it and lied to go to war where hundreds of thousands were killed for their own benefit... but obviously it's too much a stretch to think they could have orchestrated it, despite having means, motive and opportunity. Did you know Marvin Bush sat on the board of the company responsible for security of the towers ? Just another coincidence?
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When ppl talk about the physics issue on this, the first thing that comes to mind is the physics of flight. I dont think most people understand how hard it is to maneuver a full loaded 757... anybody thats wondering can download FSX and try for themselves and get a real enuf experience to see that its very hard to fly a 757 into buildings like that... especially for an amateur pilot
 
guy incognito said:
1. It was not like a controlled demolition. controlled demolitions work by weaking the structure at the base and letting gravity do the rest.
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They also cut every support structure because if they do not it is not a controlled demolition and the building topples over sideways. This is not a conventional CD. But they don't have to be conventional to work, especially when collateral damage isn't a huge issue.

2. it didn't fall into it's own foot print. part of the tower tipped and fell out. controlled demos dont do this.
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Actually that's clear evidence it was. It started to tip, because it was leaning into the path of least resistance but then the bottom suddenly gave out and it would not have given out without explosives because it was designed to withstand forces much greater.

3. it didnt fall at free fall speed.
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Free fall + a little wind resistance. Which, btw, is the same as saying free fall.

Further more why would you destroy each and every level? why not destroy the bottom level and let the building fall down on itself, at which point the force of the entire building falling creates a dynamic load that is greater than the structure can safely hold and it falls. This is the principle behind a controlled demo. Using gravity to your advantage, and bringing the building down with the least amount of explosives needed.
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They cut every important support in a CD. Because if they don't the building remains partly in tact and that is difficult to clean up. Not to mention if there is a failure a large structure does a lot more damage than a number of smaller ones.

In fact if you understand the forces behind what makes a controlled demolition possible in the first place you can apply the exact same scenario to the building at the level where the plane hit it. What SHOULD happen when there is structural failure and the upper portion of the building collapses onto one of the floors? Do you think the tower was built to withstand those dynamic forces of a building falling on it? No it wasn't, nor could it be. And each floor that falls adds more mass to the equation which means more force.
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Path of least resistance. AKA: Anywhere not the building.
 
kaendar, arent you from chicago IL. this is a no win discussion.. id hate to see if you guys were ever robbed or burglarized.lol your police report would be fucking funny as hell.well officer i believe that the government first organized the plan of attack ,then they sent cia agent in to do all the dirty work and blamed it on charlie the crackhead down the street,they even planted his wallet on my kitchen floor.
lol lol lol..fucking dumbass motherfuckers.....:-P
 
smokyadams said:
kaendar, arent you from chicago IL. this is a no win discussion.. id hate to see if you guys were ever robbed or burglarized.lol your police report would be fucking funny as hell.well officer i believe that the government first organized the plan of attack ,then they sent cia agent in to do all the dirty work and blamed it on charlie the crackhead down the street,they even planted his wallet on my kitchen floor.
lol lol lol..fucking dumbass motherfuckers.....:-P
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Convincing argument.
 
last but not least KEANDAR claimed not to be an american but he lived in chicago il. before moving to cali. what the fuck is all that about???
 
smokyadams said:
i dont think my little joke is far from the truth with you idiots lol:-P:-P
anyways good riddance
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Or you could address every point I raised. I could explain to how you insanely retarded it is to believe that buildings will collapse into the path of most resistance as well and you could attempt to refute this well accepted fact. That might be amusing. I would expect to see more jokes, probably a link to a report that doesn't show you how they arrived at their conclusions like the NIST's (a government institute with leadership appointed by the President) or you could just throw out a few more bad insults and continue to live in the box you have created for yourself.

I am not really a fan of religious thought (ie: My box is better than your box you stupid conspiracy theorist, I can't prove anything and lord knows I don't understand most of it but I'll sit here and pretend like I do because the alternative is way more than I can stomach).
 
smokyadams said:
he claimed to not care much for americans??????????????
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How is it relevant to the discussion? Or you do only know how to "argue" (and that's not the right term for it, but hey, it is what it is in your mind) is by poorly executed character assassination?

Seems like a pretty common theme.
 
he lost any type of creditability from anything he says..it just shows how ignorant one is to pretend to be from another country for the sake of a debate..like i said what the fuck is that about????
also why are you taking up for him????(kinda supicious if ya ask me))dammit know you have me making up shit to my liking aslo...lol lol
 
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