The Main-Lining Thread
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dabumps
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So I've got a plant that is getting limp again. The leaves droop just a bit but the base of the plant is really weak right above the roots. I'm afraid that I have the fungus again. I hope that I don't this time it isn't brown. It isn't skinny it's just weak. I've had her by a fan the whole time. She's just floppy. I hope that I just overwatered her and she is like OMFG dude quit that. I'm not gonna water for a while and hope she stands up! I kinda just wanted to vent but if anyone has any input that would be sweet! I hope it's not the fungus again!!! Damnit!
nugbuckets
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try moving her away from the fan, she could just be lip from the whippy wind....as far as your medium.....just make sure its damp....not soggy, not dry......
nugbuckets
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she looks great, i really think you are going to be impressed what this little plant can do....assuming she is of some strong genetics....she looks just about perfect.......what size pot?....and how are you feeding her?.....i apologize if i should know this!.......Thought I would give an update of the skunk...just flipped to 12/12 a few days ago. She's almost reaching up to the cage so I'll be tying her down soon.
Lady.J
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Thanks Nugs
. I am very impressed already with how well she's taken to your instruction in such short time!I don't think the genetics are the best (she's from Ceres), but I think I'll still enjoy smoking her
. Like you said, just about every plant can probably benefit from this training!She is in a 2 gallon pot and is my first experiment in using recycled soil. I took the main rootball out and left some chopped up bits of root (read these can actually be fed upon by the new roots) and amended with worm castings, azomite, and Happy Frog Organic Tomato and Vegetable Fertilizer w/ active soil microbes (7-4-5, feather meal, bone meal, fish meal, fish bone meal, sulfate of potash magnesia, blood meal, alfalfa meal, bat guano, kelp meal and gypsum). I didn't add enough of the fertilizer to the soil (wanted to be careful first time trying) so she also occasionally gets Hydrolyzed Fish & Seaweed Fertilizer from Neptune's Harvest (2-3-1), and unsulphered molasses with every watering. Also, she gets watered with oxygenated tap water that's been bubbling for at least 24 hours. Will be using a little of the fish & seaweed and bone meal for flowering.
Next main-lined plants will be Mazar and Afghan kush
Lady.J
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Sorry...missed this earlier! I was going to just mainline without the cage too...but then realized the cage would help contain the plant as I have others growing in the same area. Is good if you're trying to fit the most you can in your space and provide support for the buds at the same time.
nugbuckets
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sounds good.....imho though, you may want to have available a more readily absorbable form of P besides bone meal, unless it is liquid bone meal......i would recommend brewing up some tea with some high P guano....you can dump in whatever else you want to use like your fish and seaweed......but i think if you bubble up your P/nute source and let some bacteria/fungus at it for 24 hours, you will have much more digestable and readily available meal for your flowers......i always bubble and add bacteria to my nutes....esp. organics straight out of the bottle......for one, you will use less, and two, it is much easier on plants in small containers.......just a thought.Thanks Nugs
I don't think the genetics are the best (she's from Ceres), but I think I'll still enjoy smoking her
She is in a 2 gallon pot and is my first experiment in using recycled soil. I took the main rootball out and left some chopped up bits of root (read these can actually be fed upon by the new roots) and amended with worm castings, azomite, and Happy Frog Organic Tomato and Vegetable Fertilizer w/ active soil microbes (7-4-5, feather meal, bone meal, fish meal, fish bone meal, sulfate of potash magnesia, blood meal, alfalfa meal, bat guano, kelp meal and gypsum). I didn't add enough of the fertilizer to the soil (wanted to be careful first time trying) so she also occasionally gets Hydrolyzed Fish & Seaweed Fertilizer from Neptune's Harvest (2-3-1), and unsulphered molasses with every watering. Also, she gets watered with oxygenated tap water that's been bubbling for at least 24 hours. Will be using a little of the fish & seaweed and bone meal for flowering.
Next main-lined plants will be Mazar and Afghan kush
Lady.J
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I appreciate you saying something...is it possible that I could put some bone meal on the top layer of soil now in preparation for later?sounds good.....imho though, you may want to have available a more readily absorbable form of P besides bone meal, unless it is liquid bone meal......i would recommend brewing up some tea with some high P guano....you can dump in whatever else you want to use like your fish and seaweed......but i think if you bubble up your P/nute source and let some bacteria/fungus at it for 24 hours, you will have much more digestable and readily available meal for your flowers......i always bubble and add bacteria to my nutes....esp. organics straight out of the bottle......for one, you will use less, and two, it is much easier on plants in small containers.......just a thought.
The tea sounds like a better idea to be honest...but I'm broke, so trying to avoid buying anything else
. I believe I would need to buy manure / compost in order to provide the fungi / bacteria that will feed on the bone meal? Or would I be able to brew the fish & seaweed and use the microbes from there? Also, I live in a small apartment so it's not an option for me to brew the tea anywhere except the dining area! Do you think it could cause health issues to be in the same room that it's brewing in?
Sorry if so many questions
. I highly value your opinions and suggestions!
hyroot
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Nugs and lady j , not trying to step on anyones toes here. According to Dr. Elaine Ingham (microbiologist & queen of compost). The only time you should throw npk into a tea is if there are any deficiencies. So the nutes will be broken down and be able for the roots to instantly uptake nutes. Otherwise you will get better results mixing in the soil whether its top dress or super soil. After seeing that seminar. I found that she was correct. Been doing tha ever since. You use way more guano in a tea than mixing it in too.
She has several books about compost too.
Good luck and happy yard work
She has several books about compost too.
Good luck and happy yard work
nugbuckets
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i see, top dressing with bone meal won't do a thing at this point....i guess in your situation i would get a small bottle of organic bloom liquid, and just have it on hand just in case she asks for it in a few weeks.....sometimes 3 gal. pots and a super soil system can be real tricky...i would just be prepared, if need be....if you think she will want a boost, you can get a small bag of guano, and just mix some in h20, and give her a little fuel.....of course this is just assuming that she may need something....she could be a light feeder, and not need it......i always just like to be prepared is all....I appreciate you saying something...is it possible that I could put some bone meal on the top layer of soil now in preparation for later?
The tea sounds like a better idea to be honest...but I'm broke, so trying to avoid buying anything else
Also, I live in a small apartment so it's not an option for me to brew the tea anywhere except the dining area! Do you think it could cause health issues to be in the same room that it's brewing in?
Sorry if so many questions
nugbuckets
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yep, absolutely!.......we are talking about a quick readily absorbable blast if needed.......sometimes you run in to that issue when going 5 gal. or smaller in a soil set-up.....it is such a small volume of ammended medium, that even a small/medium sized plant can eat her plate clean in a hurry!...thanks for the input...
budman678
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you got me tweakin on some 5gall pots!!! i hoped i used enough SS in my pots....i must say i didnt measure it ouch...more of an eyeballing kinda guy
ps= i do have measuring cups and spoons and i use them. fuck, i used a digital scale when measuring the additives for the SS
ps= i do have measuring cups and spoons and i use them. fuck, i used a digital scale when measuring the additives for the SS
Lady.J
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Thanks for bringing up Dr. Ingham...I've read a few tidbits of her work but have barely scratched the surface. You've reminding me that I need to get to reading
.The Fish & Seaweed is 2-3-1...would you be looking for a source that consists of only P and K while using the Fish & Seaweed every so often?
I love that you are knowledgeable about organics. I've been catching crap for not using chemicals...pun intended teehee
.Actually just happened upon this article earlier today that I'm going to try out on a plant or two:
Calcium Phosphate
A lot of agriculture advisers have used calcium phosphate for better plant growth, health, pest and disease controls. Natural farmers use this bionutrient very specific. Under the theory of Nutrioperiodism developed by a Japanese horticulturist, Yasushi Inoue in the 1930’s, plants and animals need a very specific nutrient relative to the stage of their development. In the plant, there is the essential vegetative growth , changeover and the reproductive periods. In animals, like humans, there is the infantile, juvenile and adulthood. It is not only critical to provide the right nutrient at the right stage of the development, but also critical to use or apply specific nutrient of calcium phosphate in the juvenile or changeover period. For the plant, for example, we know that nitrogen is critical on the vegetative stage as potassium is critical in the flowering and fruiting stages. It is however, the changeover period that is most critical that will determine the quality of the final reproductive stage. At this stage, an additional nutrient is badly needed by the plant. And this is calcium phosphate. Calcium phosphate is good for plants’ “morning sickness”. It is the stage that additional baby needs to be fed or the process where flower/fruit is about to come. Ash made from soybean stems are excellent for this purpose.
Here is a simple, natural method of generating calcium phosphate. Get eggshells and roast them enough to generate some good ashes. Afterwhich, dip these roasted eggshells on about equal visual volume of vinegar. Allow it to sit for a couple of weeks until eggshells are practically broken down by the vinegar acids. You may use this diluted 20 parts water and can be sprayed or watered to the plants during the changeover period.
When this is applied to that changeover period, it will improve plant health and productivity. The use of calcium phosphate is important to natural farmers. This however, does not mean that we shall forget the nutrient timing application of other critical nutrients for plant growth both macro and micro nutrients, given at the right stages and combinations.
We consider this very important bionutrient needed by the plants used by natural farmers.
EDIT: http://tribes.tribe.net/effectivemicro/thread/d6b8fd03-e2c7-4650-a658-51fdf4f013ad
nugbuckets
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you will probably be fine with the 2-3-1....again, i just like to be prepared for quick "blasts" when using small containers....cause they can run out of fuel overnight....
Lady.J
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Ok, makes sense, they don't have as much to be able to draw from in such a small area. Will grab something soon as I come into extra funds!
hyroot
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I used to do.the egg shell thing. Its so tedious. It takes alot of eggs too. But green sand is much easier and works in a tea too. Green sand also cures molybdenum deficencies caused by light bleaching. I only use if needed. I reuse soil too. Roots original. I amend with dole lime, alfalfa, meal, ewc, compost, oyster shell flour, alpalca guano. The dole lime has a good amount of cal/mag and oyster shell flour is like 95% calcium carbonate. Both regulate ph. I topdress npk when needed.
compost and elain ingham
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/airwaste/wm/recycle/Compost_sum/Home.htm
http://www.rodaleinstitute.org/20111116_queen-of-compost-dr-elaine-ingham/
She has a bunch of videos you tube also
compost and elain ingham
http://www.dep.state.pa.us/dep/deputate/airwaste/wm/recycle/Compost_sum/Home.htm
http://www.rodaleinstitute.org/20111116_queen-of-compost-dr-elaine-ingham/
She has a bunch of videos you tube also
Lady.J
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Appreciate the links
. I agree, it's tedious, but free since I have the stuff around the house lol. I will be using amendments similar to your's soon hopefully. Been hearing many good things about oyster shell. Can't wait until I go to live on the west coast so I can get into seaweed compost!
Mohican
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Hi All,
Here are my mainline updates:
MozPoz in a 7 gallon smart pot with SS mix (sitting in a container with a bed of pumice) topped for 8 and in the manifold layout
Mulanje topped for 4
Mulanje freebie snapped - tried to make the manifold and one side just snapped right off. So I balanced it by snapping off one top on the other side
Cheers,
Mo
Here are my mainline updates:
MozPoz in a 7 gallon smart pot with SS mix (sitting in a container with a bed of pumice) topped for 8 and in the manifold layout
Mulanje topped for 4
Mulanje freebie snapped - tried to make the manifold and one side just snapped right off. So I balanced it by snapping off one top on the other side
Cheers,
Mo