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Dr.J20

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This is how I look at The Creation. Thanks to Darwin, we have a better understanding of modern humans and how we progressed to this point from primates.
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i find this particularly interesting for one reason: you are taking the side of the defense in the scopes monkey trial which fought against william jennings bryant's elocutions about the inherent evils of teaching heretical evolution. if you were alive back then i'm about 99.9% sure you'd be on WJB's side, calling out the bastard Scopes for being a heathen. Yet, today, having had too much facility with the popular defense that showed WJB (and the general mob) were being elitist, presumptive, egoists, claiming to know God's truth directly. The defense offered arguments like (i'm simplifying this for reasons that are obvious if you've been in the thread for a minute)"the book of genesis says God separated dark from light and made the day and it was good, but we don't know how long one of God's days last. maybe when he took the dust and made man, thats just the bible's way of telling us God started the evolutionary process"
 

missnu

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Not to mention there are a whole bunch of characters from other stories recorded before the bible in which the gods or goddesses have the exact same bio as Jesus...The exact same


It was while taking a world History class in High School that I realized it was all made up crap...because everyone has their own stories, and they all happen to be just the same, but older...
So at the council of Nicaea they decided that we would believe in the Bible that some people still believe in today...I just see it now as poorly done plagiarism.
 

guy incognito

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Funny... Kent Hovind has offered 250k to anyone who can prove evolution as we know it today. So far there are no takers. He offers alot information and has challenged many profressors but none take him up on his offer. He believes the earth is 6k years old and has given proof that carbon dating is not an exact science. He is more versed on the subject than I am and would be the best one to look up on videos he has out there about creation science and how todays sciece do not agree or back up one another.
You are a fucking idiot. Of the highest order. On par with Kaendar.

[h=3]Hovind's $250,000 offer[/h] According to Hovind's website, he has offered $10,000 since 1990 to those who can "prove the theory of evolution."[SUP][56][/SUP] He has since raised the amount of the reward to $250,000.[SUP][57][/SUP]
I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.* My $250,000 offer demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief.[SUP][57][/SUP]
*NOTE: When I use the word evolution, I am not referring to the minor variations found in all of the various life forms (microevolution). I am referring to the general theory of evolution which believes these five major events took place without God:
1. Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves.2. Planets and stars formed from space dust.3. Matter created life by itself.4. Early life-forms learned to reproduce themselves.5. Major changes occurred between these diverse life forms (i.e., fish changed to amphibians, amphibians changed to reptiles, and reptiles changed to birds or mammals).

If you read his challenge and not understand that it's a pile of shit then you are a full blown retard and should be incarcerated in a psych ward for the benefit of humanity.

Go kill yourself.
 

Kaendar

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Specific: Kaendar, a mentally unfit militant jackass who fucks his downs syndrome sister, walked to the hydro store in shitsville, ca to purchase a bottle of snake oil on january 15th 2011.

Jesus specifically says that man will not and can not know when the end of days will be.

Claiming something is not open to interpretation when that something is a text, translated across a multitute of linguistic and historico-cultural contexts, points to the grave lack of understanding possessed by the claimant. the very act of translating opens the door for interpretation, the translator had to interpret. Are you aware that there are words in other languages which have no comparable word in english? its true.

back to specifics...where does your version of revelations SPECIFY the events it predicts?
Ill ignore the petty insults and continue on with the discussion.
http://www.discoverrevelation.com/Rev_Links.html
 

Kaendar

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i find this particularly interesting for one reason: you are taking the side of the defense in the scopes monkey trial which fought against william jennings bryant's elocutions about the inherent evils of teaching heretical evolution. if you were alive back then i'm about 99.9% sure you'd be on WJB's side, calling out the bastard Scopes for being a heathen. Yet, today, having had too much facility with the popular defense that showed WJB (and the general mob) were being elitist, presumptive, egoists, claiming to know God's truth directly. The defense offered arguments like (i'm simplifying this for reasons that are obvious if you've been in the thread for a minute)"the book of genesis says God separated dark from light and made the day and it was good, but we don't know how long one of God's days last. maybe when he took the dust and made man, thats just the bible's way of telling us God started the evolutionary process"
That is exactly what im saying.
 

missnu

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I dont think anybody is debating that Christianity was wrung thru the coffee filter of paganism
No...before there was organized Christianity that we know of today, they had this meeting with Constantine to decide what the new religion would be. They didn't think constantine would go for it, but he did, so because he was there he added in the pagan aspects so his people would take up with the new religion with minimal changes to what they already did and were doing...I am not talking about paganism filtering Christianity. I am talking about a bunch of world leaders sitting down and deciding what the people under them should believe in, so as to make society easier to run.
 

Dr.J20

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If that is true... then why won't professors engage him in a debate if he is a so called fake? I find that odd.


Most scientist today cannot even agree but yet we teach it as fact in schools... again very odd.
you have no idea what you are talking about. continue with you ignorance, as if you had never read this.
 

missnu

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You are a fucking idiot. Of the highest order. On par with Kaendar.

Hovind's $250,000 offer

According to Hovind's website, he has offered $10,000 since 1990 to those who can "prove the theory of evolution."[SUP][56][/SUP] He has since raised the amount of the reward to $250,000.[SUP][57][/SUP]
I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.* My $250,000 offer demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief.[SUP][57][/SUP]
*NOTE: When I use the word evolution, I am not referring to the minor variations found in all of the various life forms (microevolution). I am referring to the general theory of evolution which believes these five major events took place without God:
1. Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves.2. Planets and stars formed from space dust.3. Matter created life by itself.4. Early life-forms learned to reproduce themselves.5. Major changes occurred between these diverse life forms (i.e., fish changed to amphibians, amphibians changed to reptiles, and reptiles changed to birds or mammals).

If you read his challenge and not understand that it's a pile of shit then you are a full blown retard and should be incarcerated in a psych ward for the benefit of humanity.

Go kill yourself.
Doesn't the making of antimatter start to open the gateway more for the Big Bang Theory? I mean we have it, and we see what it does...is that not enough?
 

guy incognito

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If that is true... then why won't professors engage him in a debate if he is a so called fake? I find that odd.


Most scientist today cannot even agree but yet we teach it as fact in schools... again very odd.
Because the "debate" would be worse than the one going on with kaendar right now. I don't think you are intelligent enough to comprehend the similarities though.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
If that is true... then why won't professors engage him in a debate if he is a so called fake? I find that odd.


Most scientist today cannot even agree but yet we teach it as fact in schools... again very odd.
If you spend even a little time Googling it, and not limiting yourself to God Squad sites, you'll know why. Hovind's challenge is empty and cynical.

Also about what are most scientists unable to agree? certainly not evolution. You're being fed customized facts by an interested party ... check the source. cn


Critics view this offer to be spurious because of the conditions which Hovind imposes. The 'theory of evolution' as defined by Hovind covers not only the process of evolution but also abiogenesis, astrophysics, and cosmology.[SUP][58][/SUP] Also, unlike Hovind, scientists in the field of evolutionary biology do not distinguish between micro- and macro-evolution as distinct processes, instead contending that evolution takes place as microevolution, and that macroevolution is cumulative microevolution.[SUP][59][/SUP]
Critics argue that the offer is merely a publicity stunt designed to be impossible to win because it requires the claimant to disprove all possible theories for the origin of species, no matter how ridiculous: his FAQ states that claimants must "prove beyond reasonable doubt that the process of evolution ... is the only possible way the observed phenomena could have come into existence."[SUP][57][/SUP]
Hovind has said a panel of judges would decide if a claim had met his criteria, but he has refused to say who would be (or is) on that panel, or what their qualifications might be. Challengers who have submitted claims to Hovind say they have become convinced that he does not actually use a panel of judges, in spite of his promise to do so.[SUP][60][/SUP] In one case, after twice stating that he would send a particular response to his judges (according to his website any responses he sent were considered "legitimate"[SUP][57][/SUP]), Hovind stated, "Thanks for reminding me about not sending minor changes to the committee. This would be a waste of time for everyone involved. If you ever get any evidence that does support evolution please send it to me". The respondent felt that this indicated dishonesty on Hovind's part and confirmed public suspicions that he never intended to pay.[SUP][61][/SUP]
People have approached Hovind in regard to the challenge, addressing it from perspectives ranging from "Large-scale Evolution" to the "Big Bang Theory"[SUP][62][/SUP] to polar bears.[SUP][61][/SUP] In 2001, biologist Massimo Pigliucci attempted to collect Hovind's prize.[SUP][63][/SUP] During a debate with Hovind, Pigliucci said Hovind did not send any details or names of scientists judging the evidence and Hovind "could have decided on his own" to dismiss the evidence.[SUP][64][/SUP] Pigliucci later issued a "counter-challenge" as "a spoof meant to uncover Hovind's challenge for the gimmick that it is" by asking for "empirical evidence, that Christianity is the only true religion and that a god with the exact characteristics of the one(s) described in the bible actually exists".[SUP][65][/SUP]
The winter 2005 issue of Skeptic included an article titled "Doubting Dr. Dino" by Adam Kisby.[SUP][62][/SUP] Kisby lays out Hovind's arguments in formal logic, and says that the assumptions "God is a necessary cause of the universe" and "The universe is eternal, i.e., un-caused" lead to contradictions. Kisby sent his proof to Hovind and reports that "many weeks later I received a terse reply from Hovind in which he dogmatically rejected my proof." Hovind's reason was "the universe is evidence of a Designer – not proof there is no Designer." Kisby concluded "I contend that either my proof is technically correct or Hovind's $250,000 offer is fundamentally flawed. If my proof is correct, then Hovind is constrained by the terms of his offer to release the money. On the other hand if Hovind's offer is flawed then he is morally obligated to withdraw it or modify it."[SUP][62][/SUP] The Spring 2006 issue of Skeptic contained criticisms of Kisby's proposed proof.[SUP][66][/SUP][SUP]


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Kaendar

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No...before there was organized Christianity that we know of today, they had this meeting with Constantine to decide what the new religion would be. They didn't think constantine would go for it, but he did, so because he was there he added in the pagan aspects so his people would take up with the new religion with minimal changes to what they already did and were doing...I am not talking about paganism filtering Christianity. I am talking about a bunch of world leaders sitting down and deciding what the people under them should believe in, so as to make society easier to run.
Actually, the Christians were revolting against the Romans at the time, and they were winning. In order to prevent the total loss on the empire, constantine switched rome to christianity. He even went as far as destroying all the publicly available copies of the bible, and re writing it to include pagan holidays with christian meanings like christmas and easter.
 

GanjaAL

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LOL... typical.. insults over them debating him. OK... that is science. ahahahaha. My biggest one is one of the Laws of Biology... You can not get living matter from non living matter. That has always bugged me.
 

Kaendar

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Doesn't the making of antimatter start to open the gateway more for the Big Bang Theory? I mean we have it, and we see what it does...is that not enough?
Actually, at CERN when antimatter exploration begun, many scientists proclaimed it as proving the book of genesis to be true.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Actually, the Christians were revolting against the Romans at the time, and they were winning. In order to prevent the total loss on the empire, constantine switched rome to christianity. He even went as far as destroying all the publicly available copies of the bible, and re writing it to include pagan holidays with christian meanings like christmas and easter.
This is not in line with history texts. Where do you find these customized histories!? cn
 

missnu

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No one person can prove or disprove evolution...we don't live long enough...and we can't be sure of the catalysts that made it happen...but even humans used to be a lot lot lot smaller than we are today, so is that not a form of evolution...I mean it is microevolution, but when microevolutions happen over and over and over, and in 2000 years there is something totally different than the previous creature then those micro evolutions have created a full evolution. It happens slowly, that is the proof...
Sharks used to only be saltwater creatures, but as the ice caps melt, and the ocean's salinity is getting messed up, some sharks are now coming equipped with a salt bladder so they can live in fresh water and just add their own salt...that doesn't sound like evolution to you?

Evolution doesn't happen overnight...it takes hundreds of years for an animal to become totally different...just like a plant and it's phenotypes...you keep breeding andf back breeding and rebreeding til you have something totally different than what you started with.
 

missnu

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Actually, at CERN when antimatter exploration begun, many scientists proclaimed it as proving the book of genesis to be true.
they thought it might pose a link...but turns out it is more probable that it is the catalyst that started the whole universe to begin with...so by that, then god is a ball of antimatter...and perhaps that is the case...seems strange that science can make god now though in huge underground tubes.
 

Kaendar

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LOL... typical.. insults over them debating him. OK... that is science. ahahahaha. My biggest one is one of the Laws of Biology... You can not get living matter from non living matter. That has always bugged me.
If that is true, then what are you arguing? Or am I missing something? The point I am trying to make is that over the billions of years that was the 7 days of creation, god took bacteria and shit that slowly evolved into small creatures, then into primates, eventually into humans. The first human born that was given a soul (marking the completion of the evolutionary process) was adam.
 
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