CaliMackdaddy
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What are your res temps on average, and what would be ideal?
FlowaMasta'a NEW Jack H x Skunk - 1 Plant 600HPS + UVB Monster Scrog!!!
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flowamasta
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My res temps stay almost ambient outside the tent...during summer i freeze massive chunks of ice every day. I have never had a root issue.
there is no real ideal, as all strains will differ, you have to play with her and find her sweet spot, usually around 21-23 degrees is sweet i hear. I could be wrong, as i've never checked as with my system it's not the be all and end all.....
Here is a shot of my Mentors....This IS the same strain as mine, as they are cuts directly from her made by me. He uses full strength PGR's (not my cup of tea at all) The buds always end up rock solid with little visual appeal. As you can see the 2 plants are all over the place, i have tied a few branches up because i can't stand him being so lazy. Some people. I'm also glad he doesn't know how to use a computer
( my mentor )This is from the Dude who taught me the basics.....honestly, i'm stoked with what i'm doing!!
His:
and here is mine going into Day 9 Flowering below....I care ALOT more. clearly.
Here's Jack X Skunk from last grow...still getting me suuuuper stupid
Gave some mates some nug and they've been cheering 
Very hard to part with , at the same time i want to get EVERYONE STONED ON IT!!! soo smoooooth and beeeeaaaautiful!
CaliMackdaddy
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I cant wait to give this a try, sounds to me like its 10x easyer to maintain then DWC (tried that and scrapped it) But seeing this makes me want to get back into hydro and give it a shot. Would love to see how my prize GDP Strain responds to this, its never let me down yet.My res temps stay almost ambient outside the tent...during summer i freeze massive chunks of ice every day. I have never had a root issue.
there is no real ideal, as all strains will differ, you have to play with her and find her sweet spot, usually around 21-23 degrees is sweet i hear. I could be wrong, as i've never checked as with my system it's not the be all and end all.....
Here is a shot of my Mentors....This IS the same strain as mine, as they are cuts directly from her made by me. He uses full strength PGR's (not my cup of tea at all) The buds always end up rock solid with little visual appeal. As you can see the 2 plants are all over the place, i have tied a few branches up because i can't stand him being so lazy. Some people. I'm also glad he doesn't know how to use a computer
This is from the Dude who taught me the basics.....honestly, i'm stoked with what i'm doing!!
His:
and here is mine going into Day 9 Flowering below....I care ALOT more. clearly.
Here's Jack X Skunk from last grow...still getting me suuuuper stupid
flowamasta
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Oh, and somebody asked before, i will be putting my 2nd net in shortly, still working out whos stretching where she looks a bit crazy at the moment! Jungle time!
This is FlowaMasta's First NON PGR grow!!!! lets see what i can yield off her, and see if i've manage her structure well enough..... I can already tell her node spacing is wider apart which is going to create a VERY crowded canopy
Please don't stretch too much more!! i'm going to have buds to the ceiling lol! 
don't worry guys, i got it under control.....just pullin ya legs
I can already see flower sites appearing everywhere.
she looks a bit crazy at the moment! Jungle time!This is FlowaMasta's First NON PGR grow!!!! lets see what i can yield off her, and see if i've manage her structure well enough..... I can already tell her node spacing is wider apart which is going to create a VERY crowded canopy
Please don't stretch too much more!! i'm going to have buds to the ceiling lol! don't worry guys, i got it under control.....just pullin ya legs
I can already see flower sites appearing everywhere.
flowamasta
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Go for it man, have a good read and if you need to know anything else about this setup, feel free to ask i'll post it up for all.
VERY VERY easy
My worst yield from 4 grows was 15 ounces with 4.5 weeks veg, that was in crankin summer heat, i thought it was going to be shiiiiit but it turned out ok for a summer grow. that was my 2nd grow the rock solid stuff.
Chipper Pig
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Coming along just nicely Flowa. Some Rep+ for you and some for your mentor. What size tent and lighting is in there? That is one thick jungle he has created!
CaliMackdaddy
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Haha yea he needs to step it up on the pruning..
flowamasta
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He's actually testing some new globes at the moment which i forgot to ask what sort... but he uses the max size adjusta wings with 600 HPS's and his tent is 1.40 x 2.00 x 2.00, it's a bit wider than mine going back, and it fills one side of his bedroom completely. I have no clue how the hell he set it up in there, but Fuuuuuuk that.
It's not quite as thick as it looks, but not much room left. This is one of his smaller yields as he's been away and lazy towards this grow, i have been called in stop her from falling on the ground and make sure she has food. this hasn't been looked at in over 1 week!!!!! that makes me sick. I'm going to tie up everything, gaf tape his connections, fuuuuk what a maniac.
thanx for the rep man
flowamasta
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yeah, he never touches 1 leaf the whole grow....set in his ways. I hack mine like a saw movie...she returns with me with gold
flowamasta
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After looking at my girl last night, i'm seeing some crazy ass stretch but i think she's calming down, i moved my light up a couple of inches and still have the foam block to remove if i need more height. I added more Cal/Mag (Dr. Repair) and also have increased my Silica for Stem strength and no more Nitrogen food. So food is actually right around full strength right now with no PGR's and i am seeing little flower sites at all tips.....But she's waaaaaaaaaaaay too bushy... i probably should of let her grow up a bit more, the LST has done over-kill on the amount of branches i got going. i can't put my hand anywhere near the top, i dropped a copper wire hook into the canopy and didn't hear it drop....gone for now! I got over 100 tips no problem this round...maybe with her added stretch she will spread herself out a bit but i can't put my new net in until i know what branches are still reaching out.
eastcoastmo
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Shit man this girl is going to be a beast 
YEAH!!!
Im excited to see her in full flower, now that will be a site to see!
YEAH!!!Im excited to see her in full flower, now that will be a site to see!
flowamasta
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i was going to go over 4 weeks veg, well i went 1 day over, and she's probably too big! lol so i'm glad i didn't! easy to forget how big they get in flowerShit man this girl is going to be a beast
Im excited to see her in full flower, now that will be a site to see!
eastcoastmo
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Lol i reckon you would be right! Sounds like an awesome challenge too haha!
flowamasta
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lol
already been done guys i know of a grow that uses the old wine barrels (massive!) over a 10 x 12 screen i don't have numbers/yields or exact veg weeks, as when the plants get so big they grow alot more quickly than you can imagine! keeping in mind if all growth is kept fed and healthy there will be alot more leaves for making energy! it's like a tree, a tree will grow faster because there is more stored energy, basic horticulture Some of these growers just don't tell anyone....and why would they? erb was easy to get back then so a secret like that was best kept a secret. Nowadays it's harder to get erb so i try to force these ideas to people so they can get more erb for there hard earned energy. Especially if your laws get strict if you grow more than 1 plant.....Where i am any more than 1 is intent to cultivate and distribute.I say Go for it! The bigger the plant the better! YOU DO NOT LOSE OUT ON QUALITY!!!!!! THAT IS A BOGUS MYTH. I've smoked bud from indoor trees and let me tell you... some of these guys don't need people to tell them how to grow
We all know how easy it is to fuck a plants food or root system. So yeah you take a little risk in growing a bigger plant so if things go wrong its your whole grow. BUT if things go right, like the last 4 and only last grows i get more of exactly what i need to put the biggest damn smile on my face for months to come 
We all know the more bud the better, but that not to say we grow to the roof, i have had mates that think they can keep growing and growing past when i tell them to flower..... they soon work out why i know what i do... These plants grow super fast in this system and I have seen plants coming down from the roof from some grows and even though they thought they were going to get big yields like that, they were sorely disappointed overall. Training your crop is The Most Vital!!! Important!!! part of growing indoors in my opinion not only for yields but to gain that extra 'quality' and potency.
This is my personal opinion on HID and indoor lighting: Even though i use it!!! Vast majority of new growers think that HID is better than the sun. Yes it is 5 inches from the Bulb!!! BUT they don't give a good penetration depth into the plant like the suns rays so if you have a thick bushy scrog up top more than likely anything below will be less than appealing. This is why i'm trying to learn a way to keep my canopy thick but narrow so the lights penetration is working on all my favoured heads. I may have gone over-board with this grow..... we'll see yet. I'm still learning too! i'm no pro but i don't like wasting all that electricity that goes into lighting that very expensive bulb!!! so why not get every bud as big as you can??? makes so much sense to me it's not even funny.
mike91sr
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Agreed completely. Any type of properly done training will give structure to the plant and let you get the most out of it. The only downside to growing trees is veg time, and thats not really a concern for hydro growers. But man do I get impatient watching soil plants veg and veg and veg.
And you mentioned the exact problem I've wanted to work out in my scrog cab. I get mostly around 8" tops, everything lining the screen just below that height is fluff. Nice for hash and I dont mind getting away with less trimming here and there, but I'd prefer getting more dense bud. I have a fairly directed hood for my 600w and cool tubes with small cheap wings for the 400s. Gotta say I see almost no difference between the two, though I'm using an odd footprint so it may compensate for the differences. The 1000w in my tent will get close to a 2' canopy of solid bud though, plus another 6-8" of mediocre density that I usually keep most of. And thats with the least directed hood on the market, so I think it just comes down to sheer output. Inverse square law.
Its the same with 'alternative' lighting...T5s and LEDs are more efficient per watt and generally yield frostier looking bud with less heat output(win-win-win) but I dont see anybody growing 5' plants. Theyre forced to grow a large number of small plants, or do intense scrogging or training because they can't get penetration. I'm personally not up for that on a somewhat larger scale though. Maybe a personal grow.
And you mentioned the exact problem I've wanted to work out in my scrog cab. I get mostly around 8" tops, everything lining the screen just below that height is fluff. Nice for hash and I dont mind getting away with less trimming here and there, but I'd prefer getting more dense bud. I have a fairly directed hood for my 600w and cool tubes with small cheap wings for the 400s. Gotta say I see almost no difference between the two, though I'm using an odd footprint so it may compensate for the differences. The 1000w in my tent will get close to a 2' canopy of solid bud though, plus another 6-8" of mediocre density that I usually keep most of. And thats with the least directed hood on the market, so I think it just comes down to sheer output. Inverse square law.
Its the same with 'alternative' lighting...T5s and LEDs are more efficient per watt and generally yield frostier looking bud with less heat output(win-win-win) but I dont see anybody growing 5' plants. Theyre forced to grow a large number of small plants, or do intense scrogging or training because they can't get penetration. I'm personally not up for that on a somewhat larger scale though. Maybe a personal grow.
Chipper Pig
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Hello there Flowa, there is no competion when it comes down sun light vs artificial light. Your smack on the money there mate. You have a good head on your shoulders when it comes down to the indoor garden Flowa
I have got my journal up and running now, there 14 days old now so a little bit late.
I have got my journal up and running now, there 14 days old now so a little bit late.
lordjin
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Now you're just showing off. You remind me of... me. Lol.My res temps stay almost ambient outside the tent...during summer i freeze massive chunks of ice every day. I have never had a root issue.
there is no real ideal, as all strains will differ, you have to play with her and find her sweet spot, usually around 21-23 degrees is sweet i hear. I could be wrong, as i've never checked as with my system it's not the be all and end all.....
Here is a shot of my Mentors....This IS the same strain as mine, as they are cuts directly from her made by me. He uses full strength PGR's (not my cup of tea at all) The buds always end up rock solid with little visual appeal. As you can see the 2 plants are all over the place, i have tied a few branches up because i can't stand him being so lazy. Some people. I'm also glad he doesn't know how to use a computer
This is from the Dude who taught me the basics.....honestly, i'm stoked with what i'm doing!!
His:
and here is mine going into Day 9 Flowering below....I care ALOT more. clearly.
Here's Jack X Skunk from last grow...still getting me suuuuper stupid
Fuckin' A. You kick ass, bro. I regard you as a serious threat when it comes to getting views.
God, if there was only some way you could grow California genetics. Damn...
Edit:
Clearly a case of the student surpassing the teacher. Your mentor is kind of a cheese-ball. Lol. If this were martial arts instead of growing, you know you would have to kill him, right? Lol.
eastcoastmo
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Flowa i agree 100% hey. Ive always trained my plants both indoor and out and have never lost quality. I would actually say i gained quality. I remember back at my mums house i pulled 19 oz off a plant that was no taller than 2ft off the ground, i tied that baby like a vine and no one knew it was there. Best damn herb ive ver had too and people stilllol
I say Go for it! The bigger the plant the better! YOU DO NOT LOSE OUT ON QUALITY!!!!!! THAT IS A BOGUS MYTH. I've smoked bud from indoor trees and let me tell you... some of these guys don't need people to tell them how to grow
Training your crop is The Most Vital!!! Important!!! part of growing indoors in my opinion not only for yields but to gain that extra 'quality' and potency.
This is my personal opinion on HID and indoor lighting: Even though i use it!!! Vast majority of new growers think that HID is better than the sun. Yes it is 5 inches from the Bulb!!! BUT they don't give a good penetration depth into the plant like the suns rays so if you have a thick bushy scrog up top more than likely anything below will be less than appealing. This is why i'm trying to learn a way to keep my canopy thick but narrow so the lights penetration is working on all my favoured heads. I may have gone over-board with this grow..... we'll see yet. I'm still learning too! i'm no pro but i don't like wasting all that electricity that goes into lighting that very expensive bulb!!! so why not get every bud as big as you can??? makes so much sense to me it's not even funny.
comment on it, wish i knew what strain it was
if i had a bigger room id still only do 1-2 plants tops, its just how i prefer to do it Keep the wicked info comin man, its good to read that people still grow the old school way!!
2easy
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hey flowie fyi regarding australian cannabis laws
http://www.legalanswers.sl.nsw.gov.au/guides/drugs/offences.html
http://www.legalanswers.sl.nsw.gov.au/guides/drugs/offences.html