Cheap Vs Expensive

[MsMILFweed]

Personally, I'd prefer to go with the seedbanks who are the true breeders of a particular type. Take Northern Lights for example. That's a Sensi seeds product, but there are many cheap copies from other breeders out there (Nirvana, BC Seedking, etc, etc). You'll find the 'real thing' often costs more.

 

[jimmyspaz]

Personally, I'd prefer to go with the seedbanks who are the true breeders of a particular type. Take Northern Lights for example. That's a Sensi seeds product, but there are many cheap copies from other breeders out there (Nirvana, BC Seedking, etc, etc). You'll find the 'real thing' often costs more.

Yes indeed!! I second that! I have more than happy with both Sensi and Serious in Amsterdam. Worth the extra cost IMO.

 

[canna_420]

Personally, I'd prefer to go with the seedbanks who are the true breeders of a particular type. Take Northern Lights for example. That's a Sensi seeds product, but there are many cheap copies from other breeders out there (Nirvana, BC Seedking, etc, etc). You'll find the 'real thing' often costs more.

Sensi seeds offering of NL is a hybrid of 1-2-5 all inbreed to their NL.
Nirvana Sell NL from a P1 that Mau obtained while working for Wernard at positronics (same P1 as most use).
Skunk#1 the true Skunk#1 The flying dutchmen/Seedsman

Personaly I would look about before spending any of my cash.
With IBL variety's like for example bubblegum ,
Sensi white label Doublegum as given me plenty of successful phenos (True bubblegum) defo worth £12.50 $30.

Some Serious seeds genetics can be obtained lower cost from Sagamartha
Western Winds=Kali myst Slyder=pre 2000 cup winner Chronic
Special K was listed as AK47 when first released now listed as a kali cross breed.

White Widow on the other hand MNS Black widow are the best white widow seeds and are costy. Dosnt meen you cant find a good Widow for 1/2 the cost. Seedsmans is pretty much next best thing
Homegrown fantaseeds - Nirvana - Dutch passion etc all shared their genetics ,
Most of them worked together at some stage getting most P1s from Wernard

So the Seed industry is a seedy place and while their are vunerable people willing to spend on the thought of better yields and better smoke then the next man ( Nirvana front over 20 seed companys)

 

[RandomJesus]

i listen to people with 5 posts telling me where to buy seed

listen to who ever you want to. 600 posts only means you spend a lot of time
posting....I spend a lot of time researching the different seed banks
I'd be happy to know of a better seed bank than PlanetSkunk [ Superior Genetics - Worldwide Delivery ] enlighten me. I've tried many suppliers, so bring your A game.
BTW stealth packages from Ireland look less suspicious to customs agents than bumpy little envelopes from amsterdam.

 

[Corso312]

planet skunk is fuckin outstanding.... i got my orser in original packaging in 5 days i live in states amd u are correct mail from ireland is more discreet than from spain or amsterdamn... bc bud depot blows.... and dr chronic is real nice also

 

[High4Life]

Some say Nirvanas Jock horror is more stable them the original Jack herer , And the Jock is only 10% of the originals price, thats just what i heard thou ,

Mandala seeds are quality genitics Speed queen, hashberry, Satori, ect

Sensi seeds i bought from a few times and some of there genitics are shit man Belladonna , Hermie city , did not do what it says on the tin eather .

Nirvana are good and bad . you just need to know what 1s to look for Papaya and Snow white or white widow i can recommend ..

Sometimes you have to pay for real quality , But most of them seed banks are just over priced rip offs like mr nice seeds any them other crazy priced seed banks
You can always get real genitics for 10% of them expencive breeds if you know which 1s to buy

 

[jonnyk]

I agree with you guys, PLanetSKUNK is the shit!, 5 days, Original Packs.

 

[canna_420]

I agree with you guys, PLanetSKUNK is the shit!, 5 days, Original Packs.

PLanet Skunk is cool for out of the UK?
Ive ordered and ad issues when mentioned I got heckled buy sirtokealot hahaha we did you basically!

Best seedbanks are the once the breeders trust with their name! Many tobe listed
I cant see why any seedbank would want to keep your cash and not send your order. all tough it happens alot in states does this say something about the states in general? Do get alot of people throwing their dummy from their pram over 2 males from 9 seeds germed from a 10 pack? In my eyes 7 fems is cool better than feminised seeds more reliable

 Sensi seeds i bought from a few times and some of there 
genitics are shit man Belladonna , Hermie city

That may have been your problem! as it may not have been belladona? Its Paradise strain! If you contact them with your problems sure they would like to know about it! Belladonna is Paradises trippiest smokes easy to grow cant imagine how they hermed genetically? unless fem seed paradise is another of the seedbanks ive grown with more reliability than alot of others like sensi seeds as now gone to the lowest worst than nirvana at one time they were good quality now their poorly managed. I cant see how they kept going when it was made illegal to breed seeds.
Serious seeds are another company that have quality genetics. maybe pricey but you get what you pay for and get alot more bang for your bucks

Good Breeders!
Mr Nice Seedbank (MNS) Shantibaba and Neville incorp
Paradise seeds
DJ Shorts
Chimera seeds
Sagamartha
Serious
The Flying Dutchmen are now part of sensi so unsure of their newer batches

In betweenies (not the best-not the worst)
White Label - Nirvana like copies but better quality Parents used ( Bubblegum was given buy serious)
Nirvana - Not so keen on the new prices but some of their stuff is cool (ICE-Chrystal-Papaya-Misty)
Sativa seedbank - Nirvana company
ceres seeds - Some copys the same as others but White Smurf is up their with the other white strains

Not so good breeders
Greenhouse (Booblehead is still dreaming of them days Nev-Shanti won him some cups doesnt have no P1 stock so makes F2s and S1s from F1s also won the cup with MNS Super Silver Haze)
Pukka-Doggys nuts (over priced and over rated, exaggerated lies)
G13 Collection (On the fact they used a male G13 and was only ever a female)
Sensi seeds (Not been so much quality seen from them in recent years)
DUtch Passion - Stoped paying royalties to the DJ over night for his genetics he give them sell bad genetics and dont care! Label the Blueberry as the original but its nowhere near the original and also got alot of his stock in corp with Wernard (same as nirvana)

I know I aint added loads but these are some of the original breeders of their so called species IE Blueberry DJ Shorts,Black (white) Widow MNS

same with alot of companys being incorp many years ago you can find the same thing elsewere maybe cheaper or renamed! Below are some!

Chronic - Slyder (pre 2000)
Western Winds - Kali Myst
Black Widow - White Widow (BW The best smoke grown from seed)
Medicine Man - White Rhino
La nina - El Nino
Great White Shark - White Shark - Peace Make
BubbleGum - Doublegum both sweet and Indica dominant
Critical Mass - Big Bud - Afghani Skunk( CM holy grail)
Spice - Hawaiian Snow - Original Mai wauwi (Not Nirvana-HQ-HGF)
The Shit - Skunk#1 - The Pure

Paradise seeds are one of the only original seed breeders in that they have their own no one else's. as for others like Widow so many claim they have the original! But in fact the original is no longer named White Widow to get away from the GH days.

Also a point when buying Originals over like Nirvana you will find more keeper quality plants in the dearer pack then the nirvana IE say MNS BW as 1-3 fems keepers (will be every fem more then likely from BW) water that down to F2s possibly 1-6/1-12 So that making nirvana the dearer of them all as when looking for keepers you need more packs! and at £25 pr pack total of £50 for 2 I can get the real deal and have piece of mind for £38

If growing a crop to learn to grow!
Nirvana would have been a choice when they were £10 per pack but £20+ makes them dear but sometimes can kick out good phenos (sometimes)
its more down to sticking with the original stuff from original breeder. Nirvana can be ok with some of them! ICE-Chrystal-papaya are just a few I can recall
good to grow. when comes to white widow its either MNS £38 or Seedsman £10-18 ( I think seedsman as bought them in bulk from shanti)

I didnt mention some resellers like seedsman - amsterdam marijuana etc that buy in seed and resell. Seedsman buys alot of TFD stock in bulk so can be cheaper to use some of his variety's and he to will sort any issues! seedsmans Gold as a good selection of stable genetics like White Widow , Skunk#1 , Afghani#1 , NL#1 and are good source to use



Sorry if this is long as I noticed alot of people ask the same question over n over so best to put it somewere and save it

 

[High4Life]

Just go for any f1 hybird from any breeders and you will have stable genitics ,
This dont mean some crap unknown strain thats a f1 hybird will be quality it just means the genitics from both hybirds are blending comfortably and smoothly togeather

It was paradise i got those belladona from canna it was a long time ago , yes it could have been partly my fault but lots of other people had the same hermie problems , But ive heard a few that like this strain ,

I agree with your not so good list but i think your good list is good but to over priced to be good , serious seeds are worth the money i think , but the others is over priced names big time. Snow white nirvana or hashberry from mandela could match them at $20 a packet , I know they prob. put alot more time and work in there genitics and over all would be better its just you know that its way over priced ,
a bit like them roor bongs Id like 1 but theres lots more better 1s at a 1/4 or the price with out the roor label , your just paying for mr nices name

 

[canna_420]

I Snow white nirvana or hashberry from mandela could match them at $20 a packet , I know they prob. put alot more time and work in there genitics and over all would be better its just you know that its way over priced ,
a bit like them roor bongs Id like 1 but theres lots more better 1s at a 1/4 or the price with out the roor label , your just paying for mr nices name

No contest their!
Mandala are nowhere near as good as Mr Nice seedbank. When talking about prices yes some are expensive but their from true Parents when other seed company's sell F2s from their F1s. as for nirvana being cheaper I dont agree! you need double the amount to find true representation of the strain exspet IBLs like Skunk#1 - Northern Lights Them they cant fuck up so easy.
I will admit ive grown nirvana but never found true keepers from 1 single pack alone grown some nice weed but no real strains

Like you said Paradise hermed?
Ive known alot more people grow out Hashberry-Speed queen with more herm than nirvanaś sativas .uk420 as a national speed queen grow 2007. I personaly ad issues with Hashberry (mold like pattern late in flower seen quite a bit of this)

When paying a price for the company's in the good list your more then buying the strain! Your getting assurance from the breeder. Any problems PM away, sorted. You may be able to get genetics for $20 but don't expect them to be as Superior as the original breeder

As for paying for Mr Nice name! Yes-No. I do believe all seed is over priced as their is no ombudsman
Genetics are copied world wide buy all other seed company's! That says something.
Any germination problems (even if they get zapped in us post) Shanti sorts it!
as for getting the best for your money! Grow out some of them $20 seeds next to Mr Nice Seeds dont think any will come close
will Mau at nirvana Mike at mandala replace seeds that never germinated or sort out other issues with a simple PM?

Have you actualy tried the dearer strains???

I remember years ago saying the same thing until I actually tried !

As for serious seeds their stuff can be obtained else were cheaper. Doesnt meen they will be as good. maybe better! but who knows
Sagamartha- Serious seeds were once Cerebral Seeds.

Most of the original parents stem back to the same place one way or other so its best to get the real thing before its watered-skunked down. When buying BMW would you buy ford cause it as the same shape?
The same with seeds the originals cant be copied so easy , like a cook a good chef never shares recipes

 

[High4Life]

No contest their!
Mandala are nowhere near as good as Mr Nice seedbank. When talking about prices yes some are expensive but their from true Parents when other seed company's sell F2s from their F1s. as for nirvana being cheaper I dont agree! you need double the amount to find true representation of the strain exspet IBLs like Skunk#1 - Northern Lights Them they cant fuck up so easy.
I will admit ive grown nirvana but never found true keepers from 1 single pack alone grown some nice weed but no real strains

Like you said Paradise hermed?
Ive known alot more people grow out Hashberry-Speed queen with more herm than nirvanaś sativas .uk420 as a national speed queen grow 2007. I personaly ad issues with Hashberry (mold like pattern late in flower seen quite a bit of this)

When paying a price for the company's in the good list your more then buying the strain! Your getting assurance from the breeder. Any problems PM away, sorted. You may be able to get genetics for $20 but don't expect them to be as Superior as the original breeder

As for paying for Mr Nice name! Yes-No. I do believe all seed is over priced as their is no ombudsman
Genetics are copied world wide buy all other seed company's! That says something.
Any germination problems (even if they get zapped in us post) Shanti sorts it!
as for getting the best for your money! Grow out some of them $20 seeds next to Mr Nice Seeds dont think any will come close
will Mau at nirvana Mike at mandala replace seeds that never germinated or sort out other issues with a simple PM?

Have you actualy tried the dearer strains???

I remember years ago saying the same thing until I actually tried !

As for serious seeds their stuff can be obtained else were cheaper. Doesnt meen they will be as good. maybe better! but who knows
Sagamartha- Serious seeds were once Cerebral Seeds.

Most of the original parents stem back to the same place one way or other so its best to get the real thing before its watered-skunked down. When buying BMW would you buy ford cause it as the same shape?
The same with seeds the originals cant be copied so easy , like a cook a good chef never shares recipes

I dident say mandala is better than mr nice seeds.. i says for hashberry $20 or mr nice super rip of seeds ?
or even just something like paradices ice cream or Great white shark ,speed queen ect lot of top quality out there

Nirvana have a list of F1 hybirds Snow white ,marco, they have a few others you got to look a bit if you want the same genitics at decent prices

There snow white is as good as any gear ive had in the dam its like cali mist sort of only better it thought

I have a 1/8 chance of making that special genitic like the lads did with Cheese in luton or Bubble gum the lads in the Us Created F2 is the best serious seeds can get it so not all F2 are useless eather . ,

There is plenty of top quality seeds at a fraction of the price out there rather than getting riped off by the greedy breeders thats just how i think i suppose every 1 is different man,

 

[jondog123]

High4Life and canna_420:

Thanks for the input guys. I have been researching a new strain to grow for a few weeks now and both of your opinions make a lot of sense.

I am trying to get a massive yielder without compromising too much potency/taste and it is pretty hard to do. There are a lot of contrasting opinions. I have heard that sensi big bud is the only breeder where big bud is worth while. I have also heard of some other strains that aren't as pricey such as Great White Shark, PPP, and Super Skunk. And I have looked at strains that are even more expensive like Ed's Super Bud. What do you think about those different strains as far as yield/quality. Thanks for sharing guys.

 

[canna_420]

Shark (Great White Shark) Shock From Mr Nice is well worth haveing. As I keep saying with buying genetics you want the originals. I Think people that buy non originals from people like nirvana their makeing things worse encouraging (Like DJ-DP). If i make a hybrid today spend 10 years doing it then bring it tomorow for someone to make F2s and put the originals down. Originals are normally more stable

I dont dispute nirvana as some good stuff (ICE,Papaya) and you say Snow white but Their is noway you can compare any genetics you buy from nirvana to that you get at MNS,
I back MNS so much as I grown out alot before trying them and loved the result of - Shark Shock, G13Skunk, Critical Mass,Black Widow and I would buy them again

Ive grown many from sensi-Nirvana-Subcool-Serious Most of dutch breeders and hacks inbetween

Never ad genetics that match the quality that you will get from MNS.


Sensi Big Bud is a copy of MNS Critical mass but Critical mass will yield better. Come in 16 seed pack is easy to grow and have better quality and good back appeal! All those and


As I said you wont compare the MNS original to any copy.
If they wernt so superior why do some newer seed company's base their stock around MNS stuff? Or why would Bobblehead at Green House go out of his way to say he as originals? My ass! Original F2s maybe,


Id say stick with proven originals that can be relied on overr all the lower quality, gimmick seedbanks. paying for genetics can make one hel of a difrance.
When growing a variety you dont want to waste upto 12 weeks on a poor variety. When paying higher your guaranteeing a good worthy grow. I have been disapointed with varietys but never any of MNS thats were I think quality comes into play



Original Question What would be worth growing and not to costy?? MNS strains under £45 Black widow-Critical Mass (if willing to spend on Big Bud from sensi then I can assure you will be happy with Cmass) La Nina Medicine Man. Serious White Russian Copys worth haveing. White Label DoubleGum

 

[High4Life]

I think youu must sell these beans some were bro lmao

I says 3 strains that i would grow happily from nirvana snow white papaya and white widow, Snow white is a F1 hybird a few other strains they store are good but there is more bad than good to be honest ,

i did say you have to search if you want it good they do copy dearer breeders by crossing the same plants as the breeders did and somtimes it works sometimes it doesent , so im not trying to say nirvana is better than them expencive breeders

Mandala do not copy no 1 and i love all there strains nearly the 3 come to mind is speedqueen hashberry and satori my personal favorite ........ Satori hashberry and snow white could stand side by side any of them big brand breeds any time .

and 1 of my favorite smokes is a F2 from serious seeds (bubblegum)

In a ideal world the seeds should not be priced any more than a $100 a pack mybe a little more id buy from mrnice Chimera seeds ect , id buy from them all them time
But any thing over that price by to much is such a ripp off

I refuse to pay them crazy prices if the gear i got from $40 seeds is as good as any amsterdam gear ive had if not better than there chemical stuff why pay more , Its the seeds priced at $150-300 that pisses me off

Im taking both sides of this btw i agree with you some what it just some of them breeders are just to greedy any thing to do with weed is getting that way now ROOR bongs, Bubble bag, vaperizers, ect we all know they set them prices far to high ,but because we love getting high some much some mug will buy them lmao ...

 

[pppfemguy]

damn all of u people little thieves stole my thread

 

[FrostickZero]

i dont understand why some seed banks are like 125$ for 10 seeds of some white widow and then another seed bank is like 65$ for some white widow oh yea and another thing i dont really get why like if u get a normal 10 pack of like some ppp and it says the thc level is like 20% then if u get a feminized 10 pack it says the thc level is like 16% i dont get any of that so if anyone has any input on any of this type it in

some seed banks charge more because they can, I've seen 10 seeds cost almost $100 and a nother site charges $60 to $70 for the same abount of seeds and the same strain and a nother site charges $50 for 15 seeds

 

[kittybitches]

thats why you have to price shop the hard way. geeze, who knew clicking would be so hard. too bad theres not a priceline negotiator to find and compare prices. though the thc level is a main factor in deciding on seeds, one should also consider the other cannabinoid levels. if you think of it, dope smokers have the luxury to be "junkie 'cannaseurs'", unlike the street crack head who has no choice on what dick he sucks to get his rocky crack. i, myself would pay 100 for a pack of ten seeds to give me a "racy, up, active" high, and would also pay the same for a pack of seeds that has a "narcotic, relaxing, stoning" high. if i know what im getting, and get it in the end, then im happy. id say thats way more than a crack head, or a needle junkie, or even those who get off drinking yohimbe bark from africa can say for their drug.

 

[canna_420]

I think youu must sell these beans some were bro lmao


and 1 of my favorite smokes is a F2 from serious seeds (bubblegum)

In a ideal world the seeds should not be priced any more than a $100 a pack mybe a little more id buy from mrnice Chimera seeds ect , id buy from them all them time
But any thing over that price by to much is such a ripp off
.

I agree that seed souldnt cost what it does!
But Nirvana have gone and put their prices up so they will be judged buy their price.Their crap! Ive done their white widow and Black widow from MNS and Their is no comparison .

Serious Bubblegum isn't a F2 its a IBL Doublegum From white label maybe classed as the F2.

I don't work for none of the seed banks. Im just someone that wants quality that when I grow Im gonna be happy. Can you say each nirvana female gives good rewards?? No maybe 1 from 2 packs.

What Im saying when I say their the better seed! Cheap 2 packs to find a keeper. Dearer ever fem is a winner.
as I said before also getting guarantee with germination and good plants (MNS anyway)

Anyone that is happy to think Nirvana have better genetics is a normal stoner (not real stoner) as most are low grade. Their is some OK white strains from nirvana but yes their that OK.

As a grower I want the best not have to search for the best. I thought that was what all growers wanted! Not a plant that Could be OK.
Anyone that as grown quality genetics will know I make sence
$100 on 3 packs 30 plants not so good - $50-100 16 seeds every fem is a winner (16 brilliant or 30 OK) :S
All I can say dude! Try MNS mix pack and bet you wont compare them to Nirvana again.

Mandala are the same! OK.

WHY HAVE OK when Brilliant can be ad!????

 

[High4Life]

I agree that seed souldnt cost what it does!
But Nirvana have gone and put their prices up so they will be judged buy their price.Their crap! Ive done their white widow and Black widow from MNS and Their is no comparison .

Serious Bubblegum isn't a F2 its a IBL Doublegum From white label maybe classed as the F2.


What Im saying when I say their the better seed! Cheap 2 packs to find a keeper. Dearer ever fem is a winner.
as I said before also getting guarantee with germination and good plants (MNS anyway)

Anyone that is happy to think Nirvana have better genetics is a normal stoner (not real stoner) as most are low grade. Their is some OK white strains from nirvana but yes their that OK.

As a grower I want the best not have to search for the best. I thought that was what all growers wanted! Not a plant that Could be OK.
Anyone that as grown quality genetics will know I make sence
$100 on 3 packs 30 plants not so good - $50-100 16 seeds every fem is a winner (16 brilliant or 30 OK) :S
All I can say dude! Try MNS mix pack and bet you wont compare them to Nirvana again.

Mandala are the same! OK.

WHY HAVE OK when Brilliant can be ad!????

I have to tell ya again bro ...By no means am i comparing nirvana to to real breeders, Saying that i mean the breeders that made the original crosses thou sometimes they can make it more stable than the originals creation
jack herer for example, Ive spoke lots people thats grew it and also nirvanas jock horror and they all say the jock horror is more stable and the original breeders are still trying to stablize it even thou they slap that massive price tag on 10 seeds

Bubble gum is a f2 its the only strain serious seeds stock thats not a f1 .
F2 is the best they can get it

The cheapo strains ive grown are Mandala hashberry satori , bigbudda cheese , Nirvanas snow white, and only 2 papaya all 100% germanation rat. no hermies and all stable uniformed plants

ive smoked every thing in the demand these all stand tall next to bubblegum , jack herer , Super Silver haze , cali mist ,
Id take snow white over any of them strains , there price is not up its just your supplier thats changed price they are there still for under $20

Even if you are prepared to pay top dollar for seeds its still best to search lots of reason if your grown big ,small, fast, long,the high, sativa dom. Indcia dom. climate conditions ect so no matter what price you pay you will have to look and do some reading on the product you are buying mybe even more of you pay a few 100 for 10 seeds lol

Ive tryed the other side also ive grew cali mist and bubblegum from serious id them going for over a year loved it snow white is as good man and tryed some of sensi seeds also nothing to jump up and down about

Any 1 can get the lucky genitic ive got lucky myself crossing a snowwhite with a skunk kush plant and it made the stickyiest dence dank buds ever

So u think im not a real smoker coz i think hashberrry snow white ect is A quality smoke
Did hashbery not win a cannabis cup ?

Are you 1 of these people that used to deal with nirvana and had problems selling nirvanas seeds coz the supplier put up the prices and now sell all the other breeders beans now ??? .........There is a lot of that going on now days

When nirvanas logos was every were people praised them like a god now its gone theres a vendetta or something .Nirvana is shit .. i dont sell seeds but i know they have 4-5 special strains as well as nirvana the have 3 very special strains

H4L

 

[canna_420]

Are you 1 of these people that used to deal with nirvana and had problems selling nirvanas seeds coz the supplier put up the prices and now sell all the other breeders beans now ??? .........There is a lot of that going on now days

When nirvanas logos was every were people praised them like a god now its gone theres a vendetta or something .Nirvana is shit .. i dont sell seeds but i know they have 4-5 special strains as well as nirvana the have 3 very special strains

H4L

NO you have it totally wrong!
I have used nirvana in the past and yes their is 1 or 2 worth having but you need to select more than you would with the dearer seed!
Thats the name of the thread! cheap vs Dear and with some you cant compare. 1 pack containing keepers or 3 packs with 1 keeper amongst them somewhere I know i would rather have a variety that as keepers in every pack

As for Bubblegum being a F2??? Would more likely be a F5 than F2 as their IBL.
Adam at THseeds give them stable parent(F4-5) stock to make IBLs not f2s were do you get the idea of f2s ?? Were F1 around early 90s now their inbreed

As for HTCC I think its to commercial now! Only cup that as real strains would be spanabis - ICQ but then you have most prizes going to Mr nices Genetics. I think if you look every seedbank as a copy of something Mr Nice as the original to
As for cheap vs expensive yes some cheap varietys are cool to grow but they wont carry so many keepers. But like everything bargains can be ad.
Take white labels Doublegum £12.50-$25 for IBL f2s of bubblegum and will have a keeper amongst a pack.

My Fav strains would be OG UK Cheese, C99, Black widow and Supper Silver Haze. Cheese cant be ad from seed the same quality as the og