Where are the jobs? Oh here are some

althor

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If you think welfare is a great life
By all means
stop working now
Oh I dont at all, but there are plenty who are CONTENT with it.
If you dont believe me, then you just have no experience in poor areas. I work every day in the worst areas in AMERICA. Every day I am in the worst of the "ghettos" and there is an entirely different mentality about working there. Welfare is exactly what they want. They will supplement their welfare with other quick money type ventures.
 

ChesusRice

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Oh I dont at all, but there are plenty who are CONTENT with it.
If you dont believe me, then you just have no experience in poor areas. I work every day in the worst areas in AMERICA. Every day I am in the worst of the "ghettos" and there is an entirely different mentality about working there. Welfare is exactly what they want. They will supplement their welfare with other quick money type ventures.
I live in milwaukee
Please dont try to school me on poor areas
There is a reason I got CCTV
 

Dr Kynes

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Despite all the complaints of high unemployment in California and suurrounding
states the farmers there are having to make very tough choices as to which crops
to harvest and which to let die in the fields.Despite raising their pay to $9.25
per hr. farmers cannot find people willing to pick their crops.The congress has
severely cut the number of migratory workers allowed in each year, to harvest,
resulting in dire labour shortages.Most of the workers they are finding are
elderly Mexicans many of whom have lived here for years,the stricter border
crossing enforcement has virtually dried up the flow of younger workers.
any farmer paying $9.25 an hour to pick crops would lose his shirt. or is this one particular unsourced claim based on a single craigslist add like the one i saw a few months ago:
$12 an hour for a combine driver to harvest his wheat feild, but you have to have an operating engineer's license or 5 years seniority in the farm workers union.

or perhaps
$10 an hour as a pool cleaner must have own van, own tools, own insurance, and pay own bonding, smokers need not apply, 5 years experience mandatory.

or even
$15 per hour requires 3 years experience operating CNC machines, clean work history, no drugs. only currently employed need apply

the crops which require hand picking will not be left to die in the feilds. this is scaremongering to cause the fear of food riots and starvation in the hearts of the suckers who never learned the basics of economics. if a farmer must pay $9.25 an hour to harvest tomatoes he would be better off tilling the feilds under. nobody pays anything like $9.25 an hour for picking work, not even for grape harvests in the napa valley.

the claim that the problem is congress cutting migratory worker permits is just plain stupid. migratory worker permits are so rarely seen in the feilds that some believe them to be myths. almost every crop that is hand picked like tomatoes, lettuce grapes, turnips, etc are picked by illegaqls who come over for the harvests season then go home to live off their US wages (which used to be very good for mexico) in the off season and work their own farms. now with the new lower exchange rate the wage doesnt buy what it once did, and the costs to sneak over, or bribe the mexican officials for the border pass are so high that it's just not worth it. even guatemalans arent coming into america any more. we may have to start importing our migrant workers from haiti, and that will be a whole new problem right there.

stricter border enforcement restricting younger workers crossing... right... that whole unsourced copy/paste pile of bullshit is comically stupid.
 

ChesusRice

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Op/Ed[h=6]|[/h][h=6]5/17/2012 @ 10:05AM |9,807 views[/h][h=1]The Law Of Unintended Consequences: Georgia's Immigration Law Backfires[/h]


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Migrant farm workers from Mexico finish a long day of harvesting organic vegetables (Image credit: Getty Images North America via @daylife)


By Benjamin Powell
To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the state’s farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables.
 

NoDrama

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Chesus doesn't realize that if crops are not picked they will go unused and eventually since no crops are being harvested anywhere they all rot. This will cause an EXTREME food shortage, and what with every American clearly addicted to food, they will pay dearly to get it. Food prices should go up 10000000000% making a bushel of corn $1 million and making a wage of $10 an hour more than palatable for a farmer to pay.
 

Dr Kynes

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What does not working pay?
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driving down to mendota living on fast food or tinned groceries stored in your trunk for two weeks of the melon harvest for the mythical $9.25 an hour pays -$2 per hour.

harvest does not pay by the hour it pays by the piece. last time i did the melon harvest it was 15 cents per case filled.

for the pepper harvest it was 20 cents per case filled.

but they didnt take many gringos in the feilds then either, because they usually expected to be paid for every case filled, and since they did file my taxes they had to send in the withholding from their labours. if you knew somebody (like my grandpappy) you could get the work as long as you kept it under the table, and make decent coin for a few weeks or so in the summer, all tax free. if you live with gramps, and dont have to pay rent or food you can do great at farm work, and several rural seniors got their social security checks, and supplemented their income with seasonal farm work. it's not bad for a kid's summer job or supplemental under the table work for healthy seniors but its not the economic turnaround obama would like it to bbe. in fact the farm labour crunch has more to do with his failure than any improvements in border security or any laziness on the part of american workers.

you continue to display ignorance of how this game is really played.

if a farmer actually paid $9.25 an hour to legal workers for the harvest he would have to:

remit their withholding taxes
remit their payroll taxes
pay for workers comp insurance
pay unemployment insurance
ensure worker safety compliance
be liable for injury lawsuits
actually PAY $9.25 an hour for his harvest!
submit his records and forms to the IRS
hire accountants to manage the payroll
pay local and state taxes based on his actual labour costs instead of the fiction he uses now
actually buy the safety equipment needed by OSHA rules\
pay his day labour for the mandatory OSHA training sessions

and many more costs that i may have forgotten. in short NOBODY pays $9.25 an hour to harvest their feilds. they never even claim that. the press fabricates that "wage" based on the data they are given by the ag dept as an average of how much it costs to harvest crops, and those numbers are a polite fiction developed to help keep farms from going broke under the IRS tax schemes.

harvests are paid by the piece, and its far less than you think. if you think that head of lettuce on sale at safeway for 75 cents got picked for anything more than a penny you are dreaming.
 

ChesusRice

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Chesus doesn't realize that if crops are not picked they will go unused and eventually since no crops are being harvested anywhere they all rot. This will cause an EXTREME food shortage, and what with every American clearly addicted to food, they will pay dearly to get it. Food prices should go up 10000000000% making a bushel of corn $1 million and making a wage of $10 an hour more than palatable for a farmer to pay.
Awesome plan
Than we can blame it on "libtards"
 

Moses Mobetta

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Jobs are scarce, good paying ones that you can support a family on are harder to come by than ever. It's a race to the bottom. Has been for some time now , over a decade anyway.
 

Dr Kynes

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Jobs are scarce, good paying ones that you can support a family on are harder to come by than ever. It's a race to the bottom. Has been for some time now , over a decade anyway.
Yay!! Race To The Bottom is my best event! I may take the gold this year!

Winning!
 

Dr Kynes

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At some point it becomes feasible before corn costs $1 mill a bushel, of course realizing this takes common sense and a logical mind, both of which you lack.
nope, it never becomes feasible. when cost to pick/bushel get high enough, combines and au8topickers which today are gimmicky toys for science fairs become economically feasible, and once mechanization enters a field, it never leaves, so then youll have fewer people working to feed more hungry mouths who are all unemployed because the only jobs obama thinks are worth paying attention to are on madison avenue, wall street and K street.

mechanization improves productivity, but reduces demand for labour particularly the labour that the guys on top call "unskilled" but they couldnt do it, not even for one day. picking lettuce, strawberries melons tomatoes grapes peaches oranges and other hand harvest crops is not jusst picking the ripe ones, it's picking the propperly unripe ones that can be shipped in some boxes, and those that can go to local stores in others, and those for the cannery in still others, and those for the local farmers market in yet another. they havent been able to make a machine that can do this job yet, but once somebody does, hand picking will be as obsolete as buggy whip braiding.

farm crops are not a sid meyers resource, where your city can either grow wheat or not, its a matter of cost vs payout. if wheat is profitable farmers will grow wheat, if tomatoes profit more, they will grow tomatoes. modern mechanized equipment leads to a condition where a farmer with a wheat combine is incentivized to grow wheat, because he can harvest it cheaper, while switiching to corn requires more parts for his existing combine, and growing potaotes, still more parts, while growing grapes or tomatoes requires hiring labourers while his expensive ass combine sits idle gathering dust. thats why the megacorps can grow an entire state of nothing but soya, or corn at pennies a bushel, and sell if for peanuts (plus the subsidy) and still turn a profit while small farms fail despite high prices and generous subsidies.

seed cost per acre + cost to grow (water fertilizers etc) + cost to harvest x actual yeild per acre = cost per bushel (X)
contract payout per bushel + subsidy (if any) - insurance - cost to ship to packinghouse/contract holder = payout per bushel (Y)

if X is greater than Y farmer loses his shirt for that year

if Y is greater than X farmer is taxed and may or may not lose his shirt.
 

Red1966

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-----------------Original Message----------------- From: Barack Obama Subject: The end? Friend -- It's August 23rd. And 75 days from now, I'll either be looking at another four years in the White House -- or the end of this opportunity. I know what's at stake for the parents worrying about health care, the kids who need help to go to college, and the seniors who want a secure retirement. But we're getting outspent by wide margins in critical battleground states -- and what we do about that today could be the difference between winning and losing on November 6th. So as we near one of the last fundraising deadlines of this campaign, I'm asking you to pitch in $5 right now: https://donate.barackhussianobama.com/75-Days Thanks for all you do, Barack ............ FAIL ................
 

boneheadbob

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Jobs are scarce, good paying ones that you can support a family on are harder to come by than ever. It's a race to the bottom. Has been for some time now , over a decade anyway.
Good point, except I think it has been going on for sometime now. The real killer is inflation. The hidden tax. Fedgov.con has used it since at least 1912 to get big and fat. Too big and fat too fail, (in their minds)
 

NoDrama

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nope, it never becomes feasible. when cost to pick/bushel get high enough, combines and au8topickers which today are gimmicky toys for science fairs become economically feasible, and once mechanization enters a field, it never leaves, so then youll have fewer people working to feed more hungry mouths who are all unemployed because the only jobs obama thinks are worth paying attention to are on madison avenue, wall street and K street.

mechanization improves productivity, but reduces demand for labour particularly the labour that the guys on top call "unskilled" but they couldnt do it, not even for one day. picking lettuce, strawberries melons tomatoes grapes peaches oranges and other hand harvest crops is not jusst picking the ripe ones, it's picking the propperly unripe ones that can be shipped in some boxes, and those that can go to local stores in others, and those for the cannery in still others, and those for the local farmers market in yet another. they havent been able to make a machine that can do this job yet, but once somebody does, hand picking will be as obsolete as buggy whip braiding.

farm crops are not a sid meyers resource, where your city can either grow wheat or not, its a matter of cost vs payout. if wheat is profitable farmers will grow wheat, if tomatoes profit more, they will grow tomatoes. modern mechanized equipment leads to a condition where a farmer with a wheat combine is incentivized to grow wheat, because he can harvest it cheaper, while switiching to corn requires more parts for his existing combine, and growing potaotes, still more parts, while growing grapes or tomatoes requires hiring labourers while his expensive ass combine sits idle gathering dust. thats why the megacorps can grow an entire state of nothing but soya, or corn at pennies a bushel, and sell if for peanuts (plus the subsidy) and still turn a profit while small farms fail despite high prices and generous subsidies.

seed cost per acre + cost to grow (water fertilizers etc) + cost to harvest x actual yeild per acre = cost per bushel (X)
contract payout per bushel + subsidy (if any) - insurance - cost to ship to packinghouse/contract holder = payout per bushel (Y)

if X is greater than Y farmer loses his shirt for that year

if Y is greater than X farmer is taxed and may or may not lose his shirt.
Is that how farming works? I wasn't really sure, only having 680 acres myself. Course round here we just hire Mexicans to drive the combines while us farmers just collect transfer payments and drive our Corvettes.
 

althor

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-----------------Original Message----------------- From: Barack Obama Subject: The end? Friend -- It's August 23rd. And 75 days from now, I'll either be looking at another four years in the White House -- or the end of this opportunity. I know what's at stake for the parents worrying about health care, the kids who need help to go to college, and the seniors who want a secure retirement. But we're getting outspent by wide margins in critical battleground states -- and what we do about that today could be the difference between winning and losing on November 6th. So as we near one of the last fundraising deadlines of this campaign, I'm asking you to pitch in $5 right now: https://donate.barackhussianobama.com/75-Days Thanks for all you do, Barack ............ FAIL ................
It was brought up by Bill Maher on his show the week before last, that some of the million dollar donors from 2008 (paraphrasing) were disappointed that they didnt get any kind of thank you acknowledgement. Even a secretary sending out emails saying thanks for the donation would have sufficed. He implied some are less willing to donate this time because of it.
 

Red1966

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I get at least one a week, usually 2 or 3. I'm in! Are you in? The best one was when they said to ask friends and relatives to donate to them instead of buying wedding, birthday, and anniversary gifts. What arrogance!
 

Red1966

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Used to be you didn't have to donate to get a chance for "Coffee and donuts with the Obamas!" Now you do. Which makes it an illegal lottery.
 
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