gun law reform... please!

[canndo]

To the original intent of this thread, I don't think there is a way to predict who is going to go nuts and start shooting people enmass. I would not be opposed to a psych eval as a part of the licensing process, but I believe this would be abused by LEO's to deniy weapons for little to know reason.

I could easily get in my car and run down dozens of people at many functions that occur any given weekend if I go off the deep end too.

We need a magical dolphin that can see people committing future crimes to truly be successful.

No eval, and I don't even believe in registration of weapons - everyone who wants one should be entitled to have one unless they have previously proven their unworthiness.

 

[wannabe grower]

I thought it was Tom Cruise lol

 

[snowboarder396]

im not butthurt, my bro is actually a shit shot in my family, even my aging mother shoots better out to the limits of her vision (100 yards or so) and she is 75 years old. we all give him the business all the time.

in the army he was considered a "Marksman" so it's a source of great amusement, since most of my family was marine corps or navy. since my mom and one uncle were both navy (but they learned to shoot from my gramps like i did) they have a great deal of fun at his expense as well as the army's.

Yeah I was in Navy as well.. not on a ship.. not a sailor.. well more dirt sailor. I was seabee and we worked closely with marines more so. In fact we didnt get along at all with fleeters as we called them. Hell I shot as a sharpshooter ( step above marksmen) for rifle and expert for pistol.. Army standards werent all that great. lol I remember we were at the range one day zeroing are rifles and bus army guys rolled up got out blew off bunch rounds got back on bus and left all within minutes and that was there qaulification...

 

[desert dude]

Enfeild SMLE No 1 Mk 3, with an L (long)stock, standard wood furniture, made in Ishapore in 1909, all standard infantry issue, non-sporterized with stock volley sights.

Favorite load:
fire formed, and neck sized federal brass trimmed to max SAAMI spec length
CCI large rifle primers
43.5 grains IMR 4064
.311 dia Sierra Match King 174 gr HPBT
set to OAL 3.08 (which places the bullet shoulder .003 before the throat when chambered)

this load far exceeds SAAMI pressure specs, and exceeds max OAL so it is definitely unsafe for any rifle except mine. do not use this data unless you are certain your rifle can accommodate the pressures, and your chamber length can accommodate it.

in my rifle i consistently get one ragged hole measuring about .75" at 100 yards from a standing position with this load, and 1.5" groups at 200 yards. muzzle velocities hover around 2700 fps, and the recoil is significant. cases ;last for 3 firings even with neck sizing. in the 4th firing the case head always detaches and some combustion gasses escape the blow-out vent.

seriously dont use this data in your rifle unless you want to risk a bolt snap, personal injury and possible death, or worse, damage to the rifle.

also it comes with the 30' sword bayonet (made in Sheffield 1911) for those times when a piggy is just too rambunctious.

For when you want to skewer the whole god damn platoon with one poke! Thirty feet is quite a bayonet!

 

[Dr Kynes]

I cannot find the thirty-incher via Google. If you could lead me toward an image or entry, I'd be obliged ... cn

my bayonet is the Pattern 1907 (actually made in 1907 by wilkinson in sheffeild) with a blade about 20 inches and a single hand hilt. i meant to type 20 inches but then i am quite high right now. i had to look up my load data in my card file, so at least those numbers are right. but you should still not use that data unless you like to see your gun's bolt fly off in two pieces.

 

[cannabineer]

No worries; I don't own an Enfield. And I'm familiar (and compliant!) with safe reloading procedures. i would never use your loads in a gun with a tight chamber and short throat. I'm old enough to not load for those last 20 fps, with flattened primers and a pattern in place of a group ... cn

 

[Dr Kynes]

No worries; I don't own an Enfield. And I'm familiar (and compliant!) with safe reloading procedures. i would never use your loads in a gun with a tight chamber and short throat. I'm old enough to not load for those last 20 fps, with flattened primers and a pattern in place of a group ... cn

that load is actually not my most accurate, my est shoots better than i do, at stays well within SAAMI spec, with mild recoil, that load is for knocking over angry but delicious piggies without having to scramble for the trees, or set my bayonet to receive the charge. its all about terminal performance at short range, its just a happy accident that my rifle enjoys the load's characteristics on the target range too, and its hilarious to see people's faces when i touch the first round off on the firing line.

things heard on the firing line when i light the end on one of those firecrackers:

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING!!!???

is that a .50?

HOLY SHIT!

the range i used to go to had concrete on the line, when i smoked one of those fuckers you could see the dust rising off the concrete in concentric rings all around the shooter's feet out to around 3 yards.

 

[ChesusRice]

my bayonet is the Pattern 1907 (actually made in 1907 by wilkinson in sheffeild) with a blade about 20 inches and a single hand hilt. i meant to type 20 inches but then i am quite high right now. i had to look up my load data in my card file, so at least those numbers are right. but you should still not use that data unless you like to see your gun's bolt fly off in two pieces.

I used to have a bayonet from the 1870s that was almost 30 inches long. Had a french persons name on it so I assume it was french

 

[Dr Kynes]

I used to have a bayonet from the 1870s that was almost 30 inches long. Had a french persons name on it so I assume it was french

some of the older sword bayonets were actually swords with a socket to fit a rifle, filling both roles, like the baker rifle sword bayonet which was an infantry sword when not attached to the rifle (ruining it's accuracy)

 

[Carthoris]

I get what your saying but you realize most people these days dont even have fucking common sense? common sense isnt even common anymore.. and while there are many with guns a majority of population doesnt own weapons or dont know how use them very well... what about all people in cities? they dont know shit they wouldnt know how shoot or survive... people in most major cities are ignorant now adays.. And yes at the beginning of iraq war they didnt have enough armor. it was low qaulity.. but since weve first invaded iraq afghan... we now have better armor and yes it can stop more then pistol round it can stop 7.62.. and they have enough for everyone now.. theyve also learned that it wasnt like other wars and adapted to urban warfare..

You honestly think that bunch military guys are gonna stand around like targets for you shoot at them? no.. this isnt the revolutionary or civil war where u lined up took shots at one another.. just like civilian isnt just gonna stand there like target get shot. niether would the military. theyd use cover and concealment just like they do over in afghan or iraq.

But yes i do agree there are alot of people that would just go home protect there families if there was a government or economic collapse.. they wouldnt just stick around while shit fell apart get shot at for nothing... like said a few might.. just becuase there that stupid, they want that, or they dont know anything else just gonna shut up listen anyway.. I know majority would go home there families not enforcing marshall law as told to.

30% of the population owns guns. That is a 100 million people. They might not all have common sense, but the military simply isn't big enough to stop even 1% of that number if it came to it.

When you say 7.62, I assume you mean 7.62x39. Our current armor will stop multiple rounds of that. It will not stop round after round of 7.62x54. It is rated to stop 1 round of 7.62x54. That being said, it doesn't stop it every time and it only covers a small part of the body. Thousands of US soldier deaths proves the point that body armor is so-so. Sure, Id rather be wearing it if I have to take a shot in the chest.

Isn't that just what our military does? Stand around and wait to be shot at? There is no army to fight, so they are just holding areas. Not standing in the middle of the desert yelling 'shoot me!', but they aren't hiding in the woods/caves/sand like the enemy. Think how hard a time we are having in Afghanistan and they don't even have the landscape we have. Can you imagine trying to stop people in the swamps of the south, the mountains, or the forests? It would be Vietnam style. You don't know where they are, but they know where you are.

 

[ChesusRice]

In afghanistan they body bomb us

they dont care about losses

And they are going to run out of Poor kids one of these days no matter what the birthrate is
[video]http://www.apacheclips.com/media/40326/Pull_The_Trigger/[/video]

 

[budlover13]

In afghanistan they body bomb us

they dont care about losses

And they are going to run out of Poor kids one of these days no matter what the birthrate is
[video]http://www.apacheclips.com/media/40326/Pull_The_Trigger/[/video]

They DO care about losses. But 10 dead "us" is greater than 1 dead "them".

It's a numbers game. Don't people fucking get that?

 

[Carthoris]

I've got a couple 8mm mausers from various countries, and the bayonets. I have a Chinese gew 98 mauser bayonet that is really long like a sword and a couple for my berthier that have some length. I have a lot of c&r guns. Some of them are real POS's, but even with me being an average shot with a factory load I would be hard pressed to miss a pie plate at any distance with any of them. I reload, but not for accuracy. I reload because 8mm mauser, .303 brit, lebel, and 30-40 krag are fucking insanely expensive. That, and sometimes I get tired of shooting surplus ammo that rips my arm out of socket or doesn't go bang every round. I reload surplus into commercial cases a lot.

 

[ChesusRice]

I've got a couple 8mm mausers from various countries, and the bayonets. I have a Chinese gew 98 mauser bayonet that is really long like a sword and a couple for my berthier that have some length. I have a lot of c&r guns. Some of them are real POS's, but even with me being an average shot with a factory load I would be hard pressed to miss a pie plate at any distance with any of them. I reload, but not for accuracy. I reload because 8mm mauser, .303 brit, lebel, and 30-40 krag are fucking insanely expensive. That, and sometimes I get tired of shooting surplus ammo that rips my arm out of socket or doesn't go bang every round. I reload surplus into commercial cases a lot.

My very first handgun was a .454 webley
I bought it at auction when I was 21 for 60 bucks
It was supposed to be a .38 bulldog
.38s went thru the barrel casing and all

 

[cannabineer]

Carthoris, please forgive my being pedantic, but the .308 NATO is 7.62x51. There is a 7.62x54R Russian; it's their old equivalent of a .30-'06 or perhaps a .303 British, which is also a .303-bore. (The .311 bullet diameter is across the grooves; bore diameter is measured across the lands and is .303 for the British and Russian rounds and .300 for the Americans.) The .30-'06 cartridge carries a European metric designation of 7.62x63. cn

 

[budlover13]

Carthoris, please forgive my being pedantic, but the .308 NATO is 7.62x51. There is a 7.62x54R Russian; it's their old equivalent of a .30-'06 or perhaps a .303 British, which is also a .303-bore. (The .311 bullet diameter is across the grooves; bore diameter is measured across the lands and is .303 for the British and Russian rounds and .300 for the Americans.) The .30-'06 cartridge carries a European metric designation of 7.62x63. cn

You and your numbers!

 

[cannabineer]

You and your numbers!

What baseball was for some people ... ballistics was for me! cn

 

[budlover13]

What baseball was for some people ... ballistics was for me! cn

So, we have a guy batting with a .223, .45% of the time. If he ups it to .308, what is his accuracy rate?

 

[Carthoris]

Carthoris, please forgive my being pedantic, but the .308 NATO is 7.62x51. There is a 7.62x54R Russian; it's their old equivalent of a 30-06 or perhaps a .303 British. The .30-'06 cartridge carries a European metric designation of 7.62x63. cn

I realize all those things. I assume you meant the 7.62x39 simply because of who would normally be shooting at US soldiers wearing body armor. I know they are all the same diameter, I use the same bullet in my enfield and psl.

 

[cannabineer]

I realize all those things. I assume you meant the 7.62x39 simply because of who would normally be shooting at US soldiers wearing body armor. I know they are all the same diameter, I use the same bullet in my enfield and psl.

The original post wasn't mine; I also assume he meant 7.62x39. I don't think the default 7.62 (the x51) chambers in any AK variant of which I know. cn