enjoying your three day weekend?

[Grandpapy]

So a business owner is responsible for the "quality of life" of a person he contracts with for employment? How far does this go? I think the business owner is responsible for fulfilling the terms he agreed to, nothing more or less. That "quality of life thing"... Is that a term of their agreement they both agreed to or did you just toss that in there because it makes you feel good?

The dude broke his leg. How is that relevant? Did he break it on the job, or did DEA agents do it to him?

The 6 bucks you just saved, created $250 in social spending! and now you dont want to pay enough tax to pay for the original guy that was homeless.

 

[bedspirit]

Okay, I'll give it a try....

So there's this guy, he's homeless and needs a job. What if he could do your job just as well for $12. Should he get the job or should you have a lifetime lock on it? Should the owner of the business you work for be forced to keep you on in all circumstances? If so, does he REALLY own the company ?

Are there really unions that guarantee lifelong employment? I spent decades working through a union that allowed my employer to fire me like a sucker.

I think you must be confused about how this works. A union doesn't just tell an employer what the fuck they're going to do and how they're going to do it. The two sides negotiate until they reach a deal. They sign a contract and both parties honor that contract. If your hypothetical employer signed a contract that took away his right to fire people then it's not the union's fault.

 

[ink the world]

Damn. That sounds like a kick ass union contract. I can't believe any employer would sign that shit, but one must have because I know you would never post things that you pulled out of your ass.

If an employer did sign something like this, why would the union take responsibility for it? If I pay union dues, their job is to get me the best fucking deal they can get me. Why aren't you instead berating retarded business owners who sign crappy deals and then try to blame the union for their own stupidity?

First mistake was to attempt understanding Claytons "logic," you have the ability to reason. Therefore Claytons "logic" is lost on you.

Clayton would never lie, or misrepresent the truth




Kick that knowledge Clayton, kick it

 

[Rob Roy]

The 6 bucks you just saved, created $250 in social spending! and now you dont want to pay enough tax to pay for the original guy that was homeless.

You were the guy that wanted to use force to keep your $18 an hour job and said tough shit to the guy that would work for less.

Taking care of homeless? That can only happen via the government that causes homelessness ? Okaaaay. I prefer to help others directly and voluntarily. Private charity is far more efficient than the oxymoronic "government charity".

 

[Rob Roy]

Are there really unions that guarantee lifelong employment? I spent decades working through a union that allowed my employer to fire me like a sucker.

I think you must be confused about how this works. A union doesn't just tell an employer what the fuck they're going to do and how they're going to do it. The two sides negotiate until they reach a deal. They sign a contract and both parties honor that contract. If your hypothetical employer signed a contract that took away his right to fire people then it's not the union's fault.

...and how does a (cough cough) "public union" work ?

 

[Grandpapy]

You were the guy that wanted to use force to keep your $18 an hour job and said tough shit to the guy that would work for less.

Taking care of homeless? That can only happen via the government that causes homelessness ? Okaaaay. I prefer to help others directly and voluntarily. Private charity is far more efficient than the oxymoronic "government charity".

And as such, your $18 hr worker has been there for 3 years now, he could use a cost of living adjustment.

 

[Rob Roy]

And as such, your $18 hr worker has been there for 3 years now, he could use a cost of living adjustment.

Not sure I follow you ? But while we are digressing..."cost of living" increase? Hmm. Why DOES the cost of living rise ? Is it because of the devaluation of the dollar and government policies ? Hmmm...

 

[bedspirit]

...and how does a (cough cough) "public union" work ?

I don't know, I don't work for one. Are you implying that someone who represents the state didn't sign a contract with the union?

 

[Rob Roy]

I don't know, I don't work for one. Are you implying that someone who represents the state didn't sign a contract with the union?

I am saying that somebody that works for the state cannot possibly be able to give every persons consent to make payments for a pension. The idea that people can provide others consent is what I disagree with. The state can sign all the contracts it wants to...but they cannot provide my consent or yours unless I / you agree to it.

 

[ChesusRice]

I am saying I am a maladjusted miserable man (?) who spouts words like freedom and liberty but doesnt understand freedom of association as gauranteed in the constitution.

We already knew that

 

[Rob Roy]

We already knew that

Ahhh...the great "we". Naturally you speak for people other than yourself.

 

[ChesusRice]

Ahhh...the great "we". Naturally you speak for people other than yourself.

robroy
"Mommm why should i have to do the dishes, just because you cooked the food I ate and I live here is no reason to oppress me into doing the dishes"

 

[bedspirit]

I am saying that somebody that works for the state cannot possibly be able to give every persons consent to make payments for a pension. The idea that people can provide others consent is what I disagree with. The state can sign all the contracts it wants to...but they cannot provide my consent or yours unless I / you agree to it.

I would love to live in a direct democracy where we all get to vote on everything, but we don't. We live in a representative democracy (...well actually a constitutional republic, but close enough). We got to live with the decisions our elected officials make. Hope that representative that agreed to the pension plan that you don't like gets as much of your criticism as the union does.

 

[Mr Neutron]

robroy
"Mommm why should i have to do the dishes, just because you cooked the food I ate and I live here is no reason to oppress me into doing the dishes"

I think it would be more like; "800 lb mommy is passed out drunk. If rob doesn't do the dishes, he'll get a beating if the dishes aren't done... and maybe if they are."

 

[ChesusRice]

I think it would be more like; "800 lb mommy is passed out drunk. If rob doesn't do the dishes, he'll get a beating if the dishes aren't done... and maybe if they are."

I imagine there are families like that

 

[Mr Neutron]

I imagine there are families like that

... but not governments, though

 

[ChesusRice]

... but not governments, though

We dont live in one
And neither do you

 

[beenthere]

I just figured out why this thread is actually irrelevant, Bucky's been unemployed for over two years, so every weekend is seven day weekend to him!

He must have been referring to the rest of us.

 

[Mr Neutron]

We dont live in one
And neither do you

One what? Family or government?

 

[UncleBuck]

I just figured out why this thread is actually irrelevant, Bucky's been unemployed for over two years, so every weekend is seven day weekend to him!

He must have been referring to the rest of us.

dude, i haven't been unemployed for a year and a half now. i'm what you would call a marginally attached worker.

and my hobby doesn't turn out neon yellow.