Need help! Is it harvest time? Am I doing something wrong?

[Hopeful]

Did you say you flushed these? I think it looks like you're growth is stalled out from either a ph problem or some over fet of some sort. Are you using more then 1K watts HID in there? It looks like lots of light and that should = fat buds with that strain. The leaves look curly and kind crispy to me like they aren't getting something they need or they're drowning in salt or something. I'd flush the shit out of them and see if they green up. any improvement with a flush and I'd maybe try and transplant. hard to say with a pic but I think you're strain should yield more in a good enviro and go longer like you're thinking. I don't think it's any fall fade but that's my 2 cents and worth less then that on the open market so....

2k watt HID in a 5x10 tent. I unfortunately have a bad habit of "go big or stay the fuck home". Really gets me into trouble every time... you'd think I'd learn by now. I was incorrect in saying they were flushed. They've been receiving water only for the past 2 weeks. Last nute added was Budha Bloom, about 2 weeks ago. Since they're growing in soil, it was advised to use the soil (originally Fox Farms Ocean Forest (which was causing nute burn), since then, a 50/50 mixture of Schultz Potting Soil Plus & Scotts Humus & Manure. Only nutes added since transplanting was Budha Bloom (twice) and Cal-Mag (twice also). Last nute added was about two weeks ago.

 

[mr2shim]

I've noticed that trend, yes. And, it's always challenging disseminating the facts from the bullshit, especially when you're as under-educated on the topic as I am. Working to change that, but that takes time... Any suggestions where to take things from here? What information can I provide? Should I describe the grow environment, or is that unnecessary?

My suggestion is stick to the stickies for help. Only ask for help after you've read all of them. You'll quickly see who is telling you what you need to hear opposed who is just blowing smoke out their ass.

 

[Hopeful]

My suggestion is stick to the stickies for help. Only ask for help after you've read all of them. You'll quickly see who is telling you what you need to hear opposed who is just blowing smoke out their ass.

Reading through the stickies is what got me in this mess... Are you saying only to read the initial sticky post, and to ignore the follow-up posts?

 

[Cory and trevor]

how is the PH of the run off when you water?

 

[mr2shim]

Reading through the stickies is what got me in this mess... Are you saying only to read the initial sticky post, and to ignore the follow-up posts?

LOL, yes. For example

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/516184-trichomes-harvesting.html

First post is the best post.

To be fair, I read a LOT before I started growing. I mean, I probably read all day for a month straight. Read journals, google'd the shit out of every question I had. I think that's how I have a good knowledge of what to do/what not to do.

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/problems-pests-disease-control/81275-cannabis-plant-pest-problem-solver-pictorial.html

There's another good link.

This is completely normal for mid to late flowering; as you would want your plant to naturally yellow at the end. DO NOT add nitrogen supplement to fix the problem; just let the plant yellow as cannabis does towards the end of flowering.

like I said, it's not abnormal, don't go off doing stupid shit like adding nutes and transplanting. Generally you want to flush hit two weeks before the chop anyways, that is debatable quite honestly. If anything it's basically just to get all the chemicals out so you won't taste it.

 

[Hopeful]

LOL, yes. For example

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/516184-trichomes-harvesting.html

First post is the best post.

To be fair, I read a LOT before I started growing. I mean, I probably read all day for a month straight. Read journals, google'd the shit out of every question I had. I think that's how I have a good knowledge of what to do/what not to do.

And again, thanks! I've been reading/google'ing lots and lots, that's probably where the multitude of contradictory information came from (information overload). Also, I have to correct a previous statement. Up until a couple weeks ago, we were watering once a week with Tree Tea from HTG Supply (there's one locally that gives it away weekly, don't know what's in it, though... ) , then 7.0 RO for the remainder of the week.

 

[Hopeful]

how is the PH of the run off when you water?

5.5 - 6.0 on average, over the past month

 

[Hopeful]

LOL, yes. For example

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/516184-trichomes-harvesting.html

First post is the best post.

To be fair, I read a LOT before I started growing. I mean, I probably read all day for a month straight. Read journals, google'd the shit out of every question I had. I think that's how I have a good knowledge of what to do/what not to do.

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/problems-pests-disease-control/81275-cannabis-plant-pest-problem-solver-pictorial.html

There's another good link.



like I said, it's not abnormal, don't go off doing stupid shit like adding nutes and transplanting. Generally you want to flush hit two weeks before the chop anyways, that is debatable quite honestly. If anything it's basically just to get all the chemicals out so you won't taste it.

Ok, so read a lot. Will do. Read more. Will do. Plants look ok. Check. Should I use anything other than 7.0 RO from now until harvest?

Want to hear what my crazy ass is planning to do for the next run (meaning, once this harvest is complete)? Combining unfortunate events with pressure-cooked decisions, I kinda shoe-horned myself into a messy situation, so I'm living in "all-in" mode, and could really use some assistance so my family doesn't end up living on the street...

 

[mr2shim]

5.5 - 6.0 on average, over the past month

That's a bit low for soil to be honest, but at this stage I wouldn't fret over it.

Ok, so read a lot. Will do. Read more. Will do. Plants look ok. Check. Should I use anything other than 7.0 RO from now until harvest?

Want to hear what my crazy ass is planning to do for the next run (meaning, once this harvest is complete)? Combining unfortunate events with pressure-cooked decisions, I kinda shoe-horned myself into a messy situation, so I'm living in "all-in" mode, and could really use some assistance so my family doesn't end up living on the street...

What is your setup? 2,000 watts in a what size tent again? Got any pics of it? I think it's time you stepped into the wonderful world of waterfarm + scrog, with that kinda power you could grow pounds from a couple plants.

 

[Cory and trevor]

They look like some that I did where I didn't transplant them into the 3 gallon pots I usually use before I flower and they got all root bound. made them yeild low and look like they were deficient in a crazy patern of nutes. I think you already know what the problem is-you've stated a few really likely issues. I'd cut the losses and try to avoid that thing that fucked up your time table this time around the next time. "Go big" is prolly best once you go small first and succeed big with that. I might be reading into this but It doesn't sound to me like you got a system down yet and I think I heard this was for the dispensary? I think you're F'ed on that tip. You could do a really big butter cook or some tincture or some BHO

 

[Hopeful]

That's a bit low for soil to be honest, but at this stage I wouldn't fret over it.

Ok, noted, and I won't fret over it. Thanks!

What is your setup? 2,000 watts in a what size tent again? Got any pics of it? I think it's time you stepped into the wonderful world of waterfarm + scrog, with that kinda power you could grow pounds from a couple plants.

2,000 watts, 5x10 tent, a complete GrowTronix system, and more fans than the Lions have... Most of this wasn't in my initial plan, but, between a couple of evil vendors (Virtual Sun sold me 2x 600-watt switchable ballasts, another sent damaged equipment). I now have an EZ-Clone 60 with about 25 cuttings in it, and have an UnderCurrent UC12 (12x 8gal) waiting in the wings. Yes, more money than brains rings true. However, I lost my job due to a motorcycle accident, ran through the unemployment (I've come to believe that overqualified actually means too old and too expensive), and had a "great idea". I'm very clear on how over my head I'm in, but I'm committed at this point, so no use in crying over it. Just need to do whatever I can do to make things work. I'm good with hard work and lots of learning. I'm just getting beat down with the bad advice and shitty products that are over-hyped. Wish I'd found the links in your sig 6 months ago.

 

[mr2shim]

Ok, noted, and I won't fret over it. Thanks!


2,000 watts, 5x10 tent, a complete GrowTronix system, and more fans than the Lions have... Most of this wasn't in my initial plan, but, between a couple of evil vendors (Virtual Sun sold me 2x 600-watt switchable ballasts, another sent damaged equipment). I now have an EZ-Clone 60 with about 25 cuttings in it, and have an UnderCurrent UC12 (12x 8gal) waiting in the wings. Yes, more money than brains rings true. However, I lost my job due to a motorcycle accident, ran through the unemployment (I've come to believe that overqualified actually means too old and too expensive), and had a "great idea". I'm very clear on how over my head I'm in, but I'm committed at this point, so no use in crying over it. Just need to do whatever I can do to make things work. I'm good with hard work and lots of learning. I'm just getting beat down with the bad advice and shitty products that are over-hyped. Wish I'd found the links in your sig 6 months ago.

What's your goal? How much do you need to grow? Honestly, I would ditch soil and go for waterfarm. Only a select few do it waterfarm+scrog so the info you find is a hell of a lot more solid and not as much bullshit. I switched a few years back and never looked back to soil. It's a pain in the ass to be honest. Waterfarm+scrog is so epic, here I'll share a pic of my one girl I'm currently growing under a 400w. I'm just throwing ideas out there, always looking to get more people to waterfarm+scrog and see the benefits of it. Obviously it would cost more $$$ to switch but it's fairly basic.




Obviously she's still pretty young. This was a couple days ago, only had a 31 day veg and I think this is 11th or 12th day of 12/12

 

[Hopeful]

They look like some that I did where I didn't transplant them into the 3 gallon pots I usually use before I flower and they got all root bound. made them yeild low and look like they were deficient in a crazy patern of nutes.

Don't understand what you're saying there... according to my mom, none appeared root-bound about two weeks ago, when she transferred two of them from 7-gal's to 20-gal's. That's why she stopped at two when the other grower suggested it wasn't warranted.

I think you already know what the problem is-you've stated a few really likely issues.

Which is what I'm actively attempting to correct.

I'd cut the losses

You're telling me you think they look that bad? That's an honest question! My mom is the grower. I just do the environmentals and help answer her questions. I built enterprise IT networks for the past 12 years. I kill plants by proximity.

and try to avoid that thing that fucked up your time table this time around the next time.

Can't avoid three family members dying in two months, two of them being my moms mother and brother, which required her to leave the country for a month... see what I do to plants, above.

"Go big" is prolly best once you go small first and succeed big with that. I might be reading into this but It doesn't sound to me like you got a system down yet and I think I heard this was for the dispensary? I think you're F'ed on that tip. You could do a really big butter cook or some tincture or some BHO

"F'ed on that tip" referring to what? Selling to a dispensary? So, are you suggesting making butter out of the entire crop?

 

[Hopeful]

What's your goal?

To make as much money legally as possible before a) the fed's override MI's law, or b) the legalize it and Phillip Morris takes over.

How much do you need to grow?

Hoping for a cured volume of 300g/plant (have a 12-plant cap), which is why I opted to go DWC using a CurrentCulture UC12 (would have gone with the XL, but only have a 7' ceiling (the room containing the 5x10 tent is 14x17x7)

Honestly, I would ditch soil and go for waterfarm.

Does a DWC system qualify as waterfarm, or is that different?

Only a select few do it waterfarm+scrog so the info you find is a hell of a lot more solid and not as much bullshit. I switched a few years back and never looked back to soil. It's a pain in the ass to be honest. Waterfarm+scrog is so epic, here I'll share a pic of my one girl I'm currently growing under a 400w. I'm just throwing ideas out there, always looking to get more people to waterfarm+scrog and see the benefits of it. Obviously it would cost more $$$ to switch but it's fairly basic.


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Obviously she's still pretty young. This was a couple days ago, only had a 31 day veg and I think this is 11th or 12th day of 12/12

That's.... that's.... she's beautiful! <sniff>

I learned so much about my fuck-ups along the way, and if I make it out of this mess, I'll unquestionably do things differently the next time, but at this point, I have to at least recoup my initial investment and accumulated debts (roughly $23,000). Totally out of cash-money, have to work with what I've got. Don't even know what waterfarm+scrog means. Are you advising against using the UnderCurrent? I've read that it's complex, but I'm comfortable with complex, as long as there's accurate information available and support when it's needed. Current Culture offers lifetime support when you buy one of their systems (which I purchased back in May). I don't believe it's feasible for me to change up at this point. Another lesson learned. Regardless, thanks for all the help and advice provided so far! You're extremely kind to help as much as you have!

 

[Cory and trevor]

I'm sorry to hear about the bad luck, I am not trying to be a dickhole or anything. From my experience they looked root bound or had a jacked PH or extreme heat; you wanted comments. I would make butter or oil out of the crop myself but that's me. Maybe it's not as bad as it looks but some of those look pretty bad to me. Most people on here including mr.2shim have worked at their particular style for some time. My sugestion is start a solid journal. Write down everything and record it all. Then if you need help you will know what you did, what worked what didn't etc. If you have long term goals record keeping will be the key to your sucess no matter what your set up and style is hydro soil DWC ebb flow WTF ever it's not going to evolve unless you are recording your data and reviewing it.

 

[Hopeful]

I'm sorry to hear about the bad luck, I am not trying to be a dickhole or anything.

No worries, friend. Didn't take it that way (you being a dickhole). I have to go to student conferences RIGHT now, but I'll hit you back about my logs (have data in spades) later this evening.

 

[CashCrops]

What's your goal? How much do you need to grow? Honestly, I would ditch soil and go for waterfarm. Only a select few do it waterfarm+scrog so the info you find is a hell of a lot more solid and not as much bullshit. I switched a few years back and never looked back to soil. It's a pain in the ass to be honest. Waterfarm+scrog is so epic, here I'll share a pic of my one girl I'm currently growing under a 400w. I'm just throwing ideas out there, always looking to get more people to waterfarm+scrog and see the benefits of it. Obviously it would cost more $$$ to switch but it's fairly basic.


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Obviously she's still pretty young. This was a couple days ago, only had a 31 day veg and I think this is 11th or 12th day of 12/12

Are you the guy who got a 1.7 pounds from a single plant scrog grow? It looks just like it. It was 7 month grow but still very good turn out. Sorry for the off topic

 

[mr2shim]

Are you the guy who got a 1.7 pounds from a single plant scrog grow? It looks just like it. It was 7 month grow but still very good turn out. Sorry for the off topic

No, not me. Most I've pulled was 5oz but I've only ran it once. More and more people are doing it, the original came from a guy named scottyballs.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/344359-pineapple-express-g13-labs-seed.html

He, IIRC pulled 14oz from it.

 

[stumpjumper]

I dont think telling somone that can't get soil down yet to switch to hydro is very good advise. Really?? Especially being the one who's complaining about people talking shit...

Get your soil grow down it's better smoke anyways.

 

[mr2shim]

I wasn't telling him to switch, I'm not stupid enough to think someone who can't grow in soil should grow in hydro. It's a good step forward when you get to that point and putting in a little plug for it never hurt anybody.