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[Dr Kynes]

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The Salt Lake Temple, operated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is the best-known Mormon temple. Located in Salt Lake City, Utah, it is the centerpiece of the 10 acre (40,000 m²) Temple Square.


In the Latter Day Saint movement, a temple is a building dedicated to be a house of God and is reserved for special forms of worship. A temple differs from a church meetinghouse, which is used for weekly worship services. Temples have been a significant part of the Latter Day Saint movement since early in its inception. Today, temples are operated by several Latter Day Saint denominations. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) has 138 operating temples worldwide to perform Endowment ceremonies, marriages, and other services for both the living and by proxy in behalf of dead ancestors.

uhh huh... yes... temple, not a church or meeting house, separate, used for special services, uhh huh...


whats your point?

ALL temples are private, you cant just go in and wander about my temple either, nor you local synagogue, kingdom hall, synod or mosque either.

what is your point? that carne does not have a temple pass? that temples are reserved for certain services and they dont let anybody in without a ticket from their bishop, preist, imam, rabbi, brahma or ffildh? every religionhas places they dont let the uninitiated into.

 

[ChesusRice]

You have to be a fully paid up member to go to a Mormon Temple
And Yes I can go to the Sistine chapel regardless of faith or membership dues

BTW
You are moving the goal posts

 

[Dr Kynes]

You have to be a fully paid up member to go to a Mormon Temple
And Yes I can go to the Sistine chapel regardless of faith or membership dues

BTW
You are moving the goal posts

you can go in on the tour. you cant take communion there, nor get married there, nor do any of the shit you can do at your local diocese. because its a SPECIAL PLACE for catholics, and not just anybody can use it.

if you dont pay your dues to the synagogue you cant use their facilities either. or were you unaware that synagogues had membership dues?

you also cannot even enter my temple unless you have a pass from the ffildh or your lay-cleric.

there is no goalpost moving. the mormon temple is a private building for the initiated only, just like the moose lodge, the VFW, the scottish rite centers around the world, and other masonic lodges, the Raven Room in new york (made guys only thank you) or any of a n umber of private buildings.

fuck you cant even get into the civic arena to see you local team play basketball without a ticket. your point still eludes me. their building, their choice who gets to come in. hence, PRIVATE!! its not a fucking pub or a goddamed national forest.

 

[ChesusRice]

Mormons cannot get into their own temple or receive blessings unless they are paid in full in their tithings

is that the same thing with the jews, evangelicals, catholics, muslims etc etc etc?


NO

 

[Dr Kynes]

Mormons cannot get into their own temple or receive blessings unless they are paid in full in their tithings

is that the same thing with the jews, evangelicals, catholics, muslims etc etc etc?


NO

yep. any man of property and wealth who is declared uncharitable by his bishop may be refused communion until he rectifies his sins through charity and devotion to the church (and buys a plenary indulgence)

likewise any man who withholds his charity taxes (i forget the arabic name for it) may be declared a non-muslim (not quite apostate) and be refused by other muslims in business and social affairs.

further, any jew who falls in arrears with his synagogue dues can in fact be ejected from his synagogue untill he coughs up the cash.

you want to pretend mormons are the only religion that prefers cash to good works? sorry homey that shit wont fly.

dont even get me started on scientology. that whole "religion" takes cash atm or credit cards.

 

[ChesusRice]

yep. any man of property and wealth who is declared uncharitable by his bishop may be refused communion until he rectifies his sins through charity and devotion to the church (and buys a plenary indulgence)

likewise any man who withholds his charity taxes (i forget the arabic name for it) may be declared a non-muslim (not quite apostate) and be refused by other muslims in business and social affairs.

further, any jew who falls in arrears with his synagogue dues can in fact be ejected from his synagogue untill he coughs up the cash.

you want to pretend mormons are the only religion that prefers cash to good works? sorry homey that shit wont fly.

dont even get me started on scientology. that whole "religion" takes cash atm or credit cards.

Scientologists come close
http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Tithing_settlement

 

[Dr Kynes]

Scientologists come close
http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Tithing_settlement

i am well familiar with mormonism's Focus On The Fiduciary, but since i aint a member no more (sometimes they forget and pop by still) it doesnt bother me one bit of they want to have rules governing who can and cannot go to the temple, but i will say this, you can go to a mormon church and get all the churchin up you want free of charge, and they dont even pass the Guilt Plate during the services.

it's their church, they can do what they want with it, and they dont try to brainwash the membership either, despite what you may have heard. i was raised as a mormoin since i was 8 till i was 16, and i never got brainwashed at all. i still got a little soap in my ears though.


romney ist trying to sign you up, nor is he tryin to force you to get baptized for hitler or pol pot, just like kennedy didnt turn the US into a satellite of the vatican, bush junior didnt throw away the first amendment and make us all into evangelical christians waiting for the rapture, and bill clinton didnt turn us all into silly horndogs with a penchant for fat chicks (though he tried, ohh lord did he try).

fearmongering and shoveling lies against romney's (admittedly wacky, and even more so if you had been on the inside, ohh the stories i could tell... ) religion disguised as intellectual curiosity does you no credit.

 

[ChesusRice]

fearmongering and shoveling lies against romney's (admittedly wacky, and even more so if you had been on the inside, ohh the stories i could tell... ) religion disguised as intellectual curiosity does you no credit.

yes fearmongering
no to lies
Everything I have said is factual

ETA
or opinion based on facts

 

[yesum]

'it's their church, they can do what they want with it, and they dont try to brainwash the membership either, despite what you may have heard. i was raised as a mormoin since i was 8 till i was 16, and i never got brainwashed at all. i still got a little soap in my ears though'.

How would you know if they brainwashed you as they would convince you otherwise, that is the whole point. hehe kidding really.

I am gonna award you the win over Chesus on this thread. You may celebrate in any fashion you choose. At first I thought that religion you said you are was a joke. Will look it up.

Does not google arwannite.

 

[NoDrama]

Mormons cannot get into their own temple or receive blessings unless they are paid in full in their tithings

is that the same thing with the jews, evangelicals, catholics, muslims etc etc etc?


NO

You know that a temple isn't the place where Mormons worship right? It isn't the same place where church services are held, those take place in a separate building.

 

[ChesusRice]

You know that a temple isn't the place where Mormons worship right? It isn't the same place where church services are held, those take place in a separate building.

Yes
YOU do know that ceremonies that are necessary for entrance into heaven are performed in the TEMPLE and without those
You dont get to go to heaven. YOU do know that right? Well one of those ceremonies is baptizing the dead. I bet you didnt know that 10s of thousands of mormons died in the Halocaust. Well they were actually jews. But the mormons converted them after they were dead and buried.

 

[Dr Kynes]

'it's their church, they can do what they want with it, and they dont try to brainwash the membership either, despite what you may have heard. i was raised as a mormoin since i was 8 till i was 16, and i never got brainwashed at all. i still got a little soap in my ears though'.

How would you know if they brainwashed you as they would convince you otherwise, that is the whole point. hehe kidding really.

I am gonna award you the win over Chesus on this thread. You may celebrate in any fashion you choose. At first I thought that religion you said you are was a joke. Will look it up.

Does not google arwannite.

servants of the grey lord dont have a google page. we dont evangelize, advertise or make public showings. most people would consider serving arawnn odd, or possibly freaky since he rules the lands of the dead, but then so does yaweh, jesus and allah. after about 1200 years of christian persecution most people dont even think our "cult" still exists. but then the mithrian mystery cults arent dead either.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Yes
YOU do know that ceremonies that are necessary for entrance into heaven are performed in the TEMPLE and without those
You dont get to go to heaven. YOU do know that right? Well one of those ceremonies is baptizing the dead. I bet you didnt know that 10s of thousands of mormons died in the Halocaust. Well they were actually jews. But the mormons converted them after they were dead and buried.

yes, they get re-baptize in the name of their ancestors. this sounds odd to you. big deal, performing ritual cannibalism every sunday sounds creepy to me too, burying your own dead sounds odd to other people too, but when i was very small i had to help lower one of my uncles into his hole, and put dirt on him with my own hands. to some people cremation of the dead and keeping them in jars around the house sounds morbid, while keeping waxen deathmasks used to be a common practice, as was keeping the skull of a notable ancestor in a memoria mortis also seems freaky today.

having one of their ancestors baptized in their name doesnt seem to bother the dead, so why does it bother you? when the dead complain then maybe we should look into preventing proxy baptisms.

 

[NoDrama]

Yes
YOU do know that ceremonies that are necessary for entrance into heaven are performed in the TEMPLE and without those
You dont get to go to heaven. YOU do know that right? Well one of those ceremonies is baptizing the dead. I bet you didnt know that 10s of thousands of mormons died in the Halocaust. Well they were actually jews. But the mormons converted them after they were dead and buried.

LOL one day back in 1978 I was baptized 224 times in one day for others so they could be endowed for exaltation in the celestial kingdom You don't need a temple ceremony to get to heaven you ignoramus. FYI for the ignorant, you only need the temple endowment ceremony to become a god. All dogs go to heaven.

 

[Carne Seca]

LOL one day back in 1978 I was baptized 324 times in one day for others so they could get to heaven. You don't need a temple ceremony to get to heaven you ignoramus. FYI for the ignorant, you only need the temple endowment ceremony to become a god. All dogs go to heaven.

I gave up trying to explain it to him. He's got the bit in his mouth and going hell for leather.

 

[Dr Kynes]

LOL one day back in 1978 I was baptized 224 times in one day for others so they could be endowed for exaltation in the celestial kingdom You don't need a temple ceremony to get to heaven you ignoramus. FYI for the ignorant, you only need the temple endowment ceremony to become a god. All dogs go to heaven.

thats one of the things i hated about mormonism, i didnt wanna be a carnival clown in a spiritual dunk tank.

 

[NoDrama]

thats one of the things i hated about mormonism, i didnt wanna be a carnival clown in a spiritual dunk tank.

It was just once, and they got our permission first, you aren't forced to do it or anything. I did it with my best friend and 2 of my cousins when we were in our early teens.

 

[ChesusRice]

LOL one day back in 1978 I was baptized 224 times in one day for others so they could be endowed for exaltation in the celestial kingdom You don't need a temple ceremony to get to heaven you ignoramus. FYI for the ignorant, you only need the temple endowment ceremony to become a god. All dogs go to heaven.

And I assume you had the permission of the dead to do these "ceremonies"?


The Mormon practice known as "baptism for the dead" involves living people being baptized on behalf of their dead relatives. Mormons believe it is their moral obligation to do the temple rituals, while those in the hereafter can either accept or reject the ordinance.
In the early 1990s, Jewish representatives complained about the practice, arguing that it disrespected Jews who died in the Holocaust. Mormon leaders agreed to remove them from the list of candidates for baptism, unless they were related to living church members.
The task, however, proved difficult, and many of the names continued to pop up in the database. In 2010, the Mormons assured Jews that a new computer system would help solve the problem.
But it exploded again in recent weeks as reporters published accounts of proxy baptisms for several well-known figures, including the deceased parents of famed Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal, and slain Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-03-05/mormons-proxy-baptism-holocaust-jews/53372816/1

 

[ChesusRice]

Anne Frank was posthumously baptised by a Mormon for the first time in 13 years after nine similar rituals were allegedly carried out in the 1990s.
The Jewish girl and her diary rose to fame after she died during the World War Two Holocaust in 1945 at the Bergen-Belsen camp in Germany.
But a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints member has caused fury by baptising her by proxy at a Dominican Republic temple last weekend.

Jewish girl: Anne Frank and her diary rose to fame after she died during the World War Two Holocaust in 1945 at the Bergen-Belsen camp in Germany



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104878/Fury-Mormons-posthumously-baptise-Holocaust-victim-Anne-Frank-TENTH-time-23-years.html#ixzz272zc7g50
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[Dr Kynes]

It was just once, and they got our permission first, you aren't forced to do it or anything. I did it with my best friend and 2 of my cousins when we were in our early teens.

my mom was quite insistant that i get wet, over and over again, like the baptismal pool was a waterslide. i was all, "yeah, not so much..." she was all "but they NEED you to do this" and i was all "theyre dead, they dont need nothin".

that was the beginning of my departure from christianity.