Cloning Experement - Honey vs Schultz Take Root vs Clonex gel

[Huel Perkins]

Well it's not a matter of dying, I needed 8 and way less than that rooted. Also the were really inconsistent in the ones which did root, the some had large root systems, other tiny by comparison. I hate planting clones with way different root systems because the bigger ones take off and are ahead for the whole grow. The clones with the smaller root systems seem like they stay that way. So i need a more consistent batch of cuts, at least remotely similar in root systems. I have limited space so I cant afford to have any sub par plants in there if I can avoid it.

Keep them in the cloner long enough for the later rooting clones to catch up. If some cuts root a few days before some other just keep them all together in the cloner until they're on the same level, sometimes it takes a couple weeks.

 

[AzCannaMan]

I see where you're coming from. You should cut a few extra every time, a few extras never hurt anyone... unless it put them over a limit, lol.

Yeah I think that's the answer here. Just take a few more extra cuts each time. I never get even close to my limit but I like breathing room there.

 

[AzCannaMan]

Keep them in the cloner long enough for the later rooting clones to catch up. If some cuts root a few days before some other just keep them all together in the cloner until they're on the same level, sometimes it takes a couple weeks.

A couple weeks was what I was trying to get away from... I'm trying the method PO gave me right now, I think it should work well...hopefully lol

 

[|B3RNY|]

That almost has to be strain related, I have heard a lot of the same things about BTOG but damn does it smoke good, lol. I haven't had any take more than 12 days so far. I think that's just because it was a very stiff/woody phenotype, the 'floppy'/'flimsy' ones are what root the quickest for me. What's the new method you're using?

 

[AzCannaMan]

That almost has to be strain related, I have heard a lot of the same things about BTOG but damn does it smoke good, lol. I haven't had any take more than 12 days so far. I think that's just because it was a very stiff/woody phenotype, the 'floppy'/'flimsy' ones are what root the quickest for me. What's the new method you're using?

Rockwool, dip bottom 1/3 of cube for 2 seconds. That's how you water, every other day or so. No misting and if you do mist mist very lightly, the trick is the moisture level in the cubes they say. Too dry no good, too wet no good. That's how they told me to do it. And dunk in a special solution, which I altered anyway lol and they dont use anything on the cuts but i dipped em in clonex gel since that seems to have been the best out of the earlier experiment and im dipping them in the nute mix they suggested, altered to my liking of course.

And i'm gonna have at least 1 Chem D in the garden this round lol seriously though. I will. hahaha

The Tahoe OG stems are super stiff and woody as all hell. They are just flimsy because they are tall as hell, skinny, and cant support their own weight really. But the stems wont break, just fall over. Thus the reason for the cages which are working very well so far.

 

[|B3RNY|]

I agree, moisture/humidity & oxygen level is 90% of it (if you ask me- which you didn't, lol.) I have a "weight" that I water my jiffy pellets to. I soak 'em, then I ring them out to be what I think is 50% moisture, after that I try to spray the medium until I feel that it is the same weight it was before. By the time you pick a method at least you'll already have experience in every other method of cloning, hahaha. You've had them root already and then you tossed 'em, right? I think maybe the CannaMan is maybe being a bit picky... hahaha, just kidding man.

 

[Scroga]

Im sure I read some thing about keeping clones in stasis in the fridge....r you could supercrop to aglow the others to catch up.. Just a thought..ps
I went and built an 11 site cloner for about 10/15 bucks! Thanks heaps for the info guys!

 

[AzCannaMan]

I agree, moisture/humidity & oxygen level is 90% of it (if you ask me- which you didn't, lol.) I have a "weight" that I water my jiffy pellets to. I soak 'em, then I ring them out to be what I think is 50% moisture, after that I try to spray the medium until I feel that it is the same weight it was before. By the time you pick a method at least you'll already have experience in every other method of cloning, hahaha. You've had them root already and then you tossed 'em, right? I think maybe the CannaMan is maybe being a bit picky... hahaha, just kidding man.

Well it's just a matter of not wanting to be wasteful. I'd rather wait a couple more weeks and have a full table than run less than a full table, through veg, and then 9-10 weeks in bloom because I didn't want to root anymore clones. It makes no sense to blast 1000w lights onto empty table space for all that time, and be way below my plant count. If I don't have enough cuts to fill out a table I need a new round of cuts which does fill it out. Im just not in big enough of a hurry to run a partially full table.

The Tahoe I have blooming right now was cloned in RW, took 3 weeks, but i got almost all to root and after i put them in the Coco they blew up. I was way over watering them that whole time though, so I think by using the po watering teq. it should go much better.

 

[upinthemguts]

Idk if this will help and it sounds like a pain in the butt, but.... I was reading an article by sub cool a while back and he was talking about the science behind cloning and mentioned something about air layering and wrapping the stem in advance to promote the white tissue (he uses scientific terms, I say white tissue) that sprouts the roots. I see this white tissue when I use my coco method, which by the way has already started rooting.... So basically you would wrap the stem with some sort of tape to block the light and air a week or so before taking the cut, and it would make changes to the plant tissue making it root much faster. I have seen this effect when I super crop, I just break the whole stem and tape it with duct tape, when I peel it back a week later, the tissue is white and looks just like the transition phase I was mentioning, where it turns white and swells up just before the roots pop out.

 

[hotrodharley]

I break branches and don't tape, just lay them across another branch. They callous in a couple days and that's that.

 

[|B3RNY|]

I will bend my stems back and forth a little to let my smaller cuttings catch up, I'm not a big fan of super-cropping personally. I think you should stick with the method & just take out what you think is the limiting factor each time. Just pick one and practice up on it; if you take some extra ones you can then just keep the cuts that are the closest in root development/size and fill your table (potentially.) I guess it would take a few runs to really get to know a strain but that just isn't practical/desirable for a medical patient as they're usually trying new strains to find what they like best/work best.. but less is more... more is less; more or less.

 

[upinthemguts]

My statement wasn't intended to be about supercropping, but I tape them so I can put them in a more ideal location for an even canopy and to improve light distribution. I was just mentioning the tape because it causes that white tissue to appear....

 

[upinthemguts]

I don't actually expect that anyone will try that method, it was just kinda a general information kind of thing because I'm bored at work. Yawn....

 

[AzCannaMan]

Idk if this will help and it sounds like a pain in the butt, but.... I was reading an article by sub cool a while back and he was talking about the science behind cloning and mentioned something about air layering and wrapping the stem in advance to promote the white tissue (he uses scientific terms, I say white tissue) that sprouts the roots. I see this white tissue when I use my coco method, which by the way has already started rooting.... So basically you would wrap the stem with some sort of tape to block the light and air a week or so before taking the cut, and it would make changes to the plant tissue making it root much faster. I have seen this effect when I super crop, I just break the whole stem and tape it with duct tape, when I peel it back a week later, the tissue is white and looks just like the transition phase I was mentioning, where it turns white and swells up just before the roots pop out.

You know... that's crazy enough that it just might work! Subcool knows his shit... I can see how depriving it of light and air would sort of mimic being underground in advance, then when it hits the cloning media boom it's already 75% of the way there.... Hmmmm......

 

[|B3RNY|]

Use electrical tape, it's the easiest to get back off; don't make it too tight or it will work against you.

 

[upinthemguts]

Look up airlayering, it's a bonsai technique they use to develop roots while on a plant and then the branch is cut away, I believe that's where the concept originated. I don't remember where I read it though, I just know ot was sub cool who wrote it.

 

[|B3RNY|]

Air layering is fine but doesn't really speed up the process, it may shave off a few days but it would even out had you cut the clones at the same time you would have put the tape on (give or take.) Just stick to what works best for you, I get really good results cloning but I can't teach it very well at all, even in person. When I started I just went for the simplest methods I could find and did it until I got the results that I was looking for, tweaking my technique back and forth until I got it down to a chore.

 

[upinthemguts]

Berny always trying to.burst my bubble. I wouldn't use air layering, I like my low tech cloning method with the coco cups. Air layering cannabis would be kinda weird, I'm not sure if it would really be any more.effective than just taking a normal cutting. But, if nothing else works for az, then he'll why not try all the weird methods.

 

[upinthemguts]

What method do you use? I have problems with moisture when I use conventional methods. With the rockwool or root riots I either have too much or too little moisture and uneven distribution on my cubes. I almost always get some funky smell I attribute to mold in my dome. I thought I had it.figured out last go round and I put a drop of bleach in the bottom, it stopped the smell but bleached the fan leaves out lol. I was kinda hoping the guy who recommended the darkness method for two days was right, it appears he is just another quack or he smoked too much before posting. I am not seeing any benefit to leaving them in the dark, they actually looked almost dead when I put them into the light.

 

[|B3RNY|]

Hahaha, I know what you mean. I used to get that smell also, I just put a couple drops per gallon of H2o2 in my water and it took care of it pretty good without harming the cuts. Bleach works too I think but you have to dilute it even further. I use the classic humidome + peat pellets & spray bottle. You can't go wrong with any of the simpler methods. I've used aero-cloners as well but they're just not as much fun for me.