Should there be a cap on attainable wealth?

[Padawanbater2]

If you're hungry enough you'll work!

Not if you're incapable.

From an observers standpoint, half of you are talking about people who abuse the system and collect aid even though they don't need it or could find employment at the drop of a hat, and the other half is talking about the elderly, disabled, and those types of people who actually do need it.

How it's gotten to 26 pages with the exact same theme is retarded.

First group of people, that's not who the second group of people are talking about. Second group of people, that's not who the first group of people are talking about. From this point on, it would benefit both groups to construct any arguments with that info in mind.

 

[cannabineer]

Yes, you are on disability... The new extended unemployment...

Unemployment is bridge money between jobs. Disability is not. You are implying that the two service interchangeable needs. I don't know if this is from ignorance, or the need to adjust facts to your beliefs. I hope for your sake you are never required to really examine the difference. cn

 

[NLXSK1]

Unemployment is bridge money between jobs. Disability is not. You are implying that the two service interchangeable needs. I don't know if this is from ignorance, or the need to adjust facts to your beliefs. I hope for your sake you are never required to really examine the difference. cn

Yes, I understand the difference.

Disability is forever... Well, until you got a job which apparently isnt ever going to happen. Because you are not even bothering to look for one. Easier to bitch about your shortcomings and take the checks...

 

[Padawanbater2]

Yes, I understand the difference.

Disability is forever... Well, until you got a job which apparently isnt ever going to happen. Because you are not even bothering to look for one. Easier to bitch about your shortcomings and take the checks...

How do you get a job if you are disabled? Do you know what "disabled" means? It means not-able, un-able, as in, unfuckinable to get a job. I never thought something like that would actually need explaining..

And, you're a horrible human being. Cannabineer is so much farther above you on every single measurable level (presumably cock size as well since you're so damn angry all the time) you're only harming your own character even more by slinging bullshit like this.

 

[Fungus Gnat]

Yes, I understand the difference.

Disability is forever... Well, until you got a job which apparently isnt ever going to happen. Because you are not even bothering to look for one. Easier to bitch about your shortcomings and take the checks...

I wasn't aware disability could be judged over an internet forum. It's pretty crass to suggest someone is lazy without having any inkling of what they're dealing with. I'm sure he'd rather be healthy than disabled.

 

[beenthere]

Not if you're incapable.

From an observers standpoint, half of you are talking about people who abuse the system and collect aid even though they don't need it or could find employment at the drop of a hat, and the other half is talking about the elderly, disabled, and those types of people who actually do need it.

How it's gotten to 26 pages with the exact same theme is retarded.

First group of people, that's not who the second group of people are talking about. Second group of people, that's not who the first group of people are talking about. From this point on, it would benefit both groups to construct any arguments with that info in mind.

I'm with you bro and I've stated many times in this forum that I DON'T MIND PAYING FOR PEOPLE WHO TRULY NEED HELP.

But I keep hearing the same ole bleeding heart broken record.
How many people abusing the system are actually going to cop to it?

A record 5.4 million workers and their dependents have signed up to collect federal disability checks since President Obama took office. The number of people on SSD has risen 300% since President Clinton held office!

Now with all these new safety regulations that have been put in place in the last 30 years, how in the hell is this number going up at this ridiculous rate?

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[Fungus Gnat]

A record 5.4 million workers and their dependents have signed up to collect federal disability checks since President Obama took office. The number of people on SSD has risen 300% since President Clinton held office!

Economic collapses tend to have that effect of more people needing the safety net. Also every year more and more children with autism are becoming adults so you can expect it to grow.

 

[beenthere]

Economic collapses tend to have that effect of more people needing the safety net. Also every year more and more children with autism are becoming adults so you can expect it to grow.

I agree with you to some extent, a severe economic recession is a great excuse, but 300%, I can only attribute that much of a rise to massive abuse!

 

[Fungus Gnat]

I agree with you to some extent, a severe economic recession is a great excuse, but 300%, I can only attribute that much of a rise to massive abuse!

They could qualify as disabled but had worked before losing their job during the downturn. You can understand that if they're disabled their job choices are limited and even moreso when competing with non-disabled people in this job market. If the economy improves the numbers will likely go down.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I agree with you to some extent, a severe economic recession is a great excuse, but 300%, I can only attribute that much of a rise to massive abuse!

As mentioned earlier, that's an opinion based on an assumption you're using to construct an argument.

What makes your opinion any more valid than someone elses?

 

[NLXSK1]

How do you get a job if you are disabled? Do you know what "disabled" means? It means not-able, un-able, as in, unfuckinable to get a job. I never thought something like that would actually need explaining..

And, you're a horrible human being. Cannabineer is so much farther above you on every single measurable level (presumably cock size as well since you're so damn angry all the time) you're only harming your own character even more by slinging bullshit like this.

If he is so far above me on every single measurable level... Dont you think he could find a job?

 

[NLXSK1]

I wasn't aware disability could be judged over an internet forum. It's pretty crass to suggest someone is lazy without having any inkling of what they're dealing with. I'm sure he'd rather be healthy than disabled.

He seems pretty capable to me...

 

[Taviddude]

Let me ask this...

Should there be a cap on short term wealth gain?

I mean, we have movie stars raking in 20 million for a movie that takes them less than 3 months to make.

We have football players entering into hundred million dollar contracts and NONE of them has a season that lasts all year long.

Should there be a cap on their pay?

What? Absolutely not. That's isn't even an issue in today's politics. They would like you to believe it is, but it's not. There is NO WAY that would ever work. I DO believe that the more you make, the more you should be taxed. If you want to make 10 billion a year instead of 5 billion you will just have to work harder and pay uncle sam as he asks for more, but you can still make that 10 billion. Depending on a normal construction workers wage, he can actually make less by working overtime due to being bumped to a higher tax bracket. He may have to work an extra 5 hours overtime just to break even with what he would have made at 40. This is life. They do it to the average Joe, but it's "unfair" to do it to the Super Rich? Also, the republicans are against any forms of assistance for middle class and poor. They want to throw this pro-life holier than thou shit out there yet when they force a women to have a baby she doesn't want, can't take care of, and has no means to provide for they are LAST in line to help. Foodstamps to help feed the baby, NO. Healthcare for the baby, NO. Housing assistance to help shelter the baby, NO. You're on your own is their bottom line. They feel that if you don't give any form of assistance that people will work harder to find jobs and not be dependent of state, or federal assistance. They're partially right.
On the flip side if these massive corporations, banks, failing auto companies, and Super Rich are that dependent on the Bush Era Tax Cuts, and Government Subsidies, and tax loopholes tailored to serve them to survive, then we need to cut that off and teach them to fly.
Which is what the Democrats are trying to do while the Republicans want to go back to deregulation. When the banks, and auto companies got bailed out it wasn't only Democrats, and Libertarians that were up in arms. IT WAS ALL OF US regaurdless of political background. We all new it was wrong, unfair, and stupid for our Government to give these people our money. WE ALL fought for regulation. Now we're finally starting to get some where, and the Republicans have forgotten that fast in order to vote in Romney. I don't like Obama, but I have no confidence in Romney's policies. Hell, he doesn't even have any set policy on some issues. Yet, the Repub's will vote him in blindly and throw away what we've worked for. How did we go from REGULATE THE FUCKING COMPANIES, and WE DON'T WANT ANYMORE BAILOUTS to "hell, lets go back to deregulation. That seemed to work REALLY good last time" WTF?

I know I got off topic and ranted a bit. Sorry about that.
There should never be a cap on how much someone can make as long as it's legal, and they pay their fair share in taxes.
Peace.

 

[Padawanbater2]

If he is so far above me on every single measurable level... Dont you think he could find a job?

Is this really taking place right now?

Please tell me how a DISABLED person would work a job.

Finding the job isn't the issue, working the job is the issue. How do you suggest someone unable to work, works?

 

[beenthere]

As mentioned earlier, that's an opinion based on an assumption you're using to construct an argument.

What makes your opinion any more valid than someone elses?

Dude, that's all I've heard on this thread is opinion, I'm not saying mine is more valid, I'm voicing it, is that a problem?

 

[abandonconflict]

The combat between principle and Macchiavelli's "enlightened self-interest" is eternal (so far). Imo that is what is missing from many utopian/small-government philosophies: an adequate defense against the practitioners of enlightened self-interest. Empire builders gonna empire, to energetically collide an expressed idea with a popular Internet form. cn

Limit inheritance?

 

[RyanTheRhino]

So liberals hear me out? what is the point of being ungodfuly wealthy? so you can spend it on friends and family. So just make friends with someone that has good work ethic

 

[Fungus Gnat]

So liberals hear me out? what is the point of being ungodfuly wealthy? so you can spend it on friends and family. So just make friends with some one that has good work ethic

There isn't any point other than to accumulate more wealth. Your idea reminds me of the German plan to fix the euro....everyone run trade surpluses!

 

[cannabineer]

Limit inheritance?

That's been tried and moved back&forth since the lex Romana. Nobody's found a winning formula. I am biased toward leaving inheritance largely alone, since I'm not a big fan of double taxation. cn

 

[beenthere]

Is this really taking place right now?

Please tell me how a DISABLED person would work a job.

Finding the job isn't the issue, working the job is the issue. How do you suggest someone unable to work, works?

Fuck dude I know two people right now that collect SSD and work on the side, enough with the bleeding heart shit, federal disability is a safety net for those who really need it. And don't try to tell me this is my opinion, it's a fact. It's also a fact there are many people as we speak that are able bodied and capable of working who would rather take advantage of it.

I doubt we'd find people like Stephen Hawking on RIU whining about how they can't!