Mr Neutron
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Do you care to debate the issue or would you rather throw insults and try to start a fight?
Should there be a cap on attainable wealth?
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I think you know the answer to that one!
I need to wise up like you Neutron, I fall for the bait almost every time!
You damn right I respect money, I went without for a long time pal, I practiced what I'm preaching.
canndo
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I care what NLX thinks.
canndo
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Once a year? I send four. Does that make me 4 times more able to judge him?
canndo
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Culda sworn you did. I didn't say I had any degree in biomed at all. Just a lowly english degree minor in journalism and a degree in information science now long past relevency.
canndo
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It is. If my money helps 9 who need it and one who does not, I can't see depriving the 9 even if the 1 is abusing not only the 9 (as har pointed out) but my own wallet. If it takes as much money to root out that 1 as it does to pay him, what is the difference?
bigbillyrocka
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I think Making money is similar to freedom of speech therefor i believe we all should have the right to make as much as we want, because lets face it if you're like me i want more money. The only ones that say More money more problems are the rich people that are trying to put up a smoke and mirrors front to the poor or not so wealthy. The rich want to be the rich with no one else as their competition.
Money does buy happiness, food? house? cars? yep, those things make all of us happy. Guns? yep. in some cases it even buys sex which has been found scientifically to keep people happy. Money really does make the world go round' and if we had a cap then there would be riots. For example, my internet used to have a data cap and i hated it. I could'nt play my games after reaching that cap because otherwise i was charged out the ass for it. Same thing would be true if we were capped on the amount we could make.
Money does buy happiness, food? house? cars? yep, those things make all of us happy. Guns? yep. in some cases it even buys sex which has been found scientifically to keep people happy. Money really does make the world go round' and if we had a cap then there would be riots. For example, my internet used to have a data cap and i hated it. I could'nt play my games after reaching that cap because otherwise i was charged out the ass for it. Same thing would be true if we were capped on the amount we could make.
canndo
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That is actually a damn good idea - give me some time after part two of that thing I asked you to read. But wait, I don't think that will actually tell us anything. I said that the country was doing fine under that tax rate. you are claiming that we can't compare tax rates between now and then because of the altered tax structure.
canndo
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I posted that graph already. Beenthere brings up a point though, what do marginal tax rates actually tell us?
canndo
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This whole discussion reveals a basic disparity between ideologies.
It seems that the right (and the neo classic liberals) hold that the default position of man is laziness.
The (true) left holds that default to be human industriousness for its own sake.
I think that civilization itself tends to support my contention that man is inherently industrious and it is only varying hights of the barriers to performance placed by chance before different people that make some appear more lazy than others.
It seems that the right (and the neo classic liberals) hold that the default position of man is laziness.
The (true) left holds that default to be human industriousness for its own sake.
I think that civilization itself tends to support my contention that man is inherently industrious and it is only varying hights of the barriers to performance placed by chance before different people that make some appear more lazy than others.
overgrowem
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Limits on wealth are a prohabition.The one thing a RIU. poster should know is prohabitions don't work.
RyanTheRhino
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They did good back then because they took the taxes and spent it on things that had a uses, like highway, schools,utilities, ect.
It doesn't work now because it just goes straight to welfare.
Padawanbater2
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You completely missed the point.
If material wealth makes you happy, you lead a hollow life.
The OP was referring to the SUPER wealthy, people with multiple billions of dollars. Using your analogy, it would be like capping your internet usage at around 25,000TB. Shit you could never use up in a lifetime.
These people hoard their wealth as well as use it to manipulate elections and policy, meanwhile most of the people who voted 'no' in this poll see it as 'their right'. It isn't their right. Their actions fuck with the rest of life for everyone else, EVERYONE else. If these people were holding up a bank, would that be 'their right', too?
The problem exists because most don't agree with what I just said, don't believe it, or simply don't care.
Padawanbater2
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No it isn't.
Mr Neutron
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The point is not what percentage is fraud. What would that magical number, where it is worth it to go after the fraud, be? 20%, 50%? No, the point is that government has no accountability except to their own existence. It's not their money so why should they care if some of it is being wasted?
Nobody will ever care about your property as much as you do. Why should we send our voluntary tribute to Caesar just so he can divvy it up, after taking his cut of course, and then sending back to where it came? But wait, it's not even that simple because there are dozens of other minions of the state that need their cut, too. So you have what we have now. All tax dollars going to the behemoth we call Washington, the Blob takes his bite out of our ass and then sends, what he says we deserve, back. What is it about central planning that makes it so attractive to some? I do not get it. It doesn't work and no matter how many names to attach to it, it never will.
Mr Neutron
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Why is it everytime I start to think you are a reasonable, if not mislead, adult... you go and do something like this?
Doer
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To me these discussions have nothing to do with ideology.. I point out, that to follow any ideology down the track, including Capitalism, leads to tyranny. Our lot is the constant avoidance of tyranny. It will cloak in any guise. Greed does not care.
All proposed theories have failed, except self rule. The jury is still out on how that morphs into tyranny. But, it does and it corrects against the Constitution, theoretically, if we let it and don't screw up our own baseline. Don't let the tyranny of Left or Right hide behind Ideology, I say. And don't go around spouting it as if it had some importance. It is a dupe.
All proposed theories have failed, except self rule. The jury is still out on how that morphs into tyranny. But, it does and it corrects against the Constitution, theoretically, if we let it and don't screw up our own baseline. Don't let the tyranny of Left or Right hide behind Ideology, I say. And don't go around spouting it as if it had some importance. It is a dupe.
NLXSK1
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I was onboard with Herman Cain's plan until he started talking about entitlement zones where it would be less...
Then I completely tuned out... More social engineering through tax policy...