Mitt Romney is a dumbass

budlover13

King Tut
I agree, but why should we believe in something that isn't proven to be objectively true? That argument breaks down to picking and choosing deities. How do you know the one you picked is correct? If you don't know, isn't not picking just as reasonable, if not more reasonable, than picking a mistake?

Furthermore, isn't the clear pain caused by organized religion enough to make you question you made the correct choice in the first place?

Oh, trust me, i question it. There's a reason i'm not welcome in my local churches lol :fire:

As for the first paragraph, yes, it is just as reasonable. But that doesn't make my belief in a deity UNreasonable.

In the end, it comes down to your own personal beliefs and perceptions. Thus creating your reality imo.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Oh, trust me, i question it. There's a reason i'm not welcome in my local churches lol :fire:

As for the first paragraph, yes, it is just as reasonable. But that doesn't make my belief in a deity UNreasonable.

In the end, it comes down to your own personal beliefs and perceptions. Thus creating your reality imo.
Believing in anything not proven to be objectively true is unreasonable.

Belief in something should never come down to your own personal experiences or perceptions. We know both of those mechanisms are unreliable, therefore can't be used to conduct accurate science, which means they can't be used to analyze or interpret the truth. Not in an objective sense anyway, and what value does subjective truth offer us? Can you recreate an experience you had for me so I experience it in the exact same way you did and come up with the exact same conclusion you did? If not, why does your experience hold more weight than my experience that was different?
 

fb360

Active Member
Mitt Romney could atleast respect Americans enough to hide the the fact that he's in the back pocket of corporate America. The only way I see him winning is if Americans value race over politics. With that being said I also believe that Obama isn't what America needs either. He's too honest for a political role so high. Clinton was efficient because he would make the people he needed a few dollars and get them a little ass behind closed doors. That's politics , Obama has too much riding on him and there is too much bullshit to scoop through right now for a honest person to be an effective president. Plus If any type of scandal surfaces he stands to discredit a race. Thats too much pressure. We need another laid back white president right now. Obama is ahead of his time
I think even our own uncle bucky would disagree with this... (havent read anything but the first post)
 

budlover13

King Tut
Believing in anything not proven to be objectively true is unreasonable.

Belief in something should never come down to your own personal experiences or perceptions. We know both of those mechanisms are unreliable, therefore can't be used to conduct accurate science, which means they can't be used to analyze or interpret the truth. Not in an objective sense anyway, and what value does subjective truth offer us? Can you recreate an experience you had for me so I experience it in the exact same way you did and come up with the exact same conclusion you did? If not, why does your experience hold more weight than my experience that was different?
It doesn't hold more weight.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Do you believe in the Big Bang theory? Do you believe that man naturally evolved from apes? Do you believe in gravity?

I accept the Big Bang theory, yes

I accept that our ancestors evolved from primates, yes

And I accept the explanation for gravity, yes
 

Impman

Well-Known Member
Absolutely! If you don't believe the Big Bang Theory then you do not even have a basic knowledge of physics and math. Of course we evolved, and if you don't think gravity has been proven then you smoke a shit load of crack
 

Mr Neutron

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Absolutely! If you don't believe the Big Bang Theory then you do not even have a basic knowledge of physics and math. Of course we evolved, and if you don't think gravity has been proven then you smoke a shit load of crack
Where's the proof?
 

Impman

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States need more rights! I want to see someone run on the PURE STATE RIGHTS TICKET. That way we can have all the freaks(like me) live in California, the racist rednecks back east and we will give Christians Nevada, Mormons can keep Utah, Muslims can have a state too... There are 50 states, lets just divide up all of our crazy belief systems and see what happens....
 

SSHZ

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Gosh, it is hilarious to kick back, light one up, and watch everyone in this thread go at it. The truth of the matter also happens to be the funniest part, so stay tuned to what you're about to hear.

OK... look, if you're on an airplane that is about to impact the earth at 400/mph it doesn't matter if something comes along to slow your speed down to 350/mph; you will be crashing and burning and dying at either speed, and neither will be pleasant.

Unfortunately, within our population of 300+ million people, the vast majority are not even the least bit educated in politics, economics, or the general outcome of mankind. Over the last 70+ years our economy has slowly shifted into a society where A LOT of people are receiving money directly from the Federal Government, in which (the Federal Gov) either taxes or creates that money in order to provide it.

A lot of people are not paying taxes, this is not my opinion, this is a fact. Literally half of the US workforce doesn't pay taxes, are you effing kidding me? If I was one of these fuckers I FOR SURE vote to keep keep Obama in office... Fuck paying taxes, we're going down either way right? har har!

The problem with this whole clusterfuck is that you have a country who holds the world currency.... with the ability to create as much money as they literally want to!! Who also the bright idea of spending billions of that money overseas each year to ensure that our country remains at war for the rest of our existence. They tell us that it's to keep us safe from terrorists, but I think there are other reasons. You see, the war hawks really love these guys. They are willing to spend equally amount as much $$ as the socialists to build houses out of turds, in but in their case, missiles.


The problem is that 99.9% of the people in the United States fall into one of those two categories. And until that number is no longer the majority things will remain like this until we are shifted into a complete socialist democracy.

My 2 cents,

SB.

What people don't understand is: if you follow the law and the tax code, it's relatively easy not to pay taxes, or at least get the majority of them back. Between my families medical expenses, home mortgage interest, kids college tuition and donations, I didn't have to pay a dime in taxes for almost 10 years. I did nothing wrong, but being trained as an accountant, I know how to use the system to my advantage. Nothing illegal, just sharper then most. It's the tax code that screwed up and you can blame the Dem's and Republicans for that.

I say let the "tax" bomb hit everyone January 1st and start changing the motion of the train.
 

Mr Neutron

Well-Known Member
apparently, neutron doesn't understand how science works.

science can prove nothing. but evidence can support one theory over others.

this is lost on a man who, well, mustachioed hookers.
Apparently, Buck doesn't understand how conversations are held or how arguments are conducted. He cannot compete with the adults, so like the spoiled little brat, he crosses his arms, sticks out his lower lip and stamps his feet, crying "I AM NOT GOING TO BED AND YOU CAN"T MAKE ME".
Didn't science prove that the earth was round? Didn't science prove that the earth and planets revolve around the sun? Is that the same science that can't prove anything?
You would be funny if you weren't so pathetic.
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Apparently, Buck doesn't understand how conversations are held or how arguments are conducted. He cannot compete with the adults, so like the spoiled little brat, he crosses his arms, sticks out his lower lip and stamps his feet, crying "I AM NOT GOING TO BED AND YOU CAN"T MAKE ME".
Didn't science prove that the earth was round? Didn't science prove that the earth and planets revolve around the sun? Is that the same science that can't prove anything?
You would be funny if you weren't so pathetic.

No, they have simply provided an abundance of evidence - as UB states, there is no proof - makes science quite trustworthy.
 

Mr Neutron

Well-Known Member
No, they have simply provided an abundance of evidence - as UB states, there is no proof - makes science quite trustworthy.
So, there are NO facts, there is NO proof and everything is only theory? ... And THAT makes science trustworthy?

I think you both have been in the Kool-Aid.
 

Padawanbater2

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So, there are NO facts, there is NO proof and everything is only theory? ... And THAT makes science trustworthy?

I think you both have been in the Kool-Aid.
Theories are collections of facts. Proof would require absolute certainty, which cannot exist (brain in a vat), therefore, science is the most logical system of determining reality available. Would you agree?
 
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