you're god does not exist

cannabineer

cannabineer

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One of my favorite quips (and to my knowledge, an original) is "Great minds think alike ... and so do ours!!" cn
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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Moebius said:
For me ... there are three options in how to treat anothers belief.

Respect, Disrespect, and Indifference.

I tend to feel indifference towards others belief. Why should I care what people believe? I'm more interested in what I'm having for dinner.
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Because their beliefs affect you. Do you care if creationism is taught side by side with evolution? Or if evolution is thrown out of the classroom all together? Some people believe it should. A lot of people actually.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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guy incognito said:
Because their beliefs affect you. Do you care if creationism is taught side by side with evolution? Or if evolution is thrown out of the classroom all together? Some people believe it should. A lot of people actually.
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Belief's don't affect me, actions do.

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regarding creationism, I don't mind if creationism is taught, as long as its not taught as fact but as a 'belief' system.

I'm not a Muslim or Buddhist but have studied the faiths with genuine interest.
 
fitzgib

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Scrotie Mcboogerballs said:
It's that kind of thinking that gets people absolutely nowhere. Maybe you should look at the evolution of technology before you decide to dismiss space travel and how long it's going to take before we can reach new areas of space. There are senior citizens shitting their pants everyday at the things that we can do now.
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in the grand scheme of things, the evolution of technology has got us nowhere closer to understanding anything, apart from letting us know that we know fuck all
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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Moebius said:
Belief's don't affect me, actions do.

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regarding creationism, I don't mind if creationism is taught, as long as its not taught as fact but as a 'belief' system.

I'm not a Muslim or Buddhist but have studied the faiths with genuine interest.
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Why don't you mind? I think it's outrageous we would teach that to impressionable young people. Let's stick to real facts only and not bullshit beliefs.
 
kpmarine

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Moebius said:
not necessarily.

They could be principals of in-action. and more often are.

i.e .. I don't believe in murder, so I don't do it.

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LOL ... If 'in-action' is a word.
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That in-action sparks action though. If you don't believe in murder, you must have some other means of dealing with your conflict. You could look at it as "I don't believe in murder, so instead I talk things out with people.", a bit of an extreme example. haha My point is that you almost never are truly "in-active", that inaction forces another action elsewhere generally.
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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Moebius said:
They said something similar to Copernicus.
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There is a fundamental difference between a new theory backed with observation and evidence, and a fairy tale. I have absolutely no problem with new theories being introduced and taught in schools, but I must insist they have evidence backing them.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Moebius said:
Yeah, I know. ... I'm a real heavy smoker and when stoned I temporarily forget my shit.

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Which paradoxically is one of the reasons I smoke so much :cry: lol
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I have had real trouble spelling when i sampled psychedelics. I usually don't post here when I'm properly hempstruck. Last night was an exception, i think. i have half a memory of leaving a somewhat disjoint haiku someplace. cn
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Moebius said:
not necessarily.

They could be principals of in-action. and more often are.

i.e .. I don't believe in murder, so I don't do it.

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LOL ... If 'in-action' is a word.
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The reason you do not commit murder is not because you deny it's existence. It's because you believe it is wrong. That belief is a result of experience and reasoning, and reinforced by empathy, IOW evidence. The belief governs your actions. Why hasn't a tree developed a belief system? It would be a waste of energy, as it can not perform any significant action. It doesn't need to believe fire is bad because it can not get out of the way. When you become capable of action, it is now essential to develop a belief system. A belief system is a way of discerning which information to pay attention to and what to ignore among all the input we receive. Not only is it helpful to realize fire is bad and avoid it, but it is dangerous to act on a faulty idea; fire is warm so lets run to it. That is why beliefs are based on some sort of evidence. The stronger the evidence, the more sound the belief, the more likely the belief is to be beneficial, and the less likely it is to cause harm. Perfect delusion leads to a stagnant, unenlightened mind, perfect belief leads to prudence.

I am of course not saying we should ban certain beliefs from people's minds, but separating beliefs from actions is a mistake. Beliefs are principals of action.
 
Moebius

Moebius

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guy incognito said:
There is a fundamental difference between a new theory backed with observation and evidence, and a fairy tale. I have absolutely no problem with new theories being introduced and taught in schools, but I must insist they have evidence backing them.
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Who are you to insist anything?

You're 'insistence' on what should or should not be taught IMO puts you into the same realm as some rather unsavory characters.

btw ... fairy tales are taught to young minds and I don't care.
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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fitzgib said:
in the grand scheme of things, the evolution of technology has got us nowhere closer to understanding anything, apart from letting us know that we know fuck all
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Just on a medical level, I have to disagree. We have come a long way from the "4 humors" method of medical treatment. You can't have modern medicine without understanding how the human body works to some extent. Provided, there's always more to learn. To dismiss everything humanity has accomplished as getting us "...nowhere closer to understanding anything..." is a bit sweeping and unfair. The problem is, every time we answer a question, it generates several new questions as a result. We aren't clueless, but the harder we look the more there is to discover.
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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Moebius said:
They said something similar to Copernicus.
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"There is talk of a new astrologer who wants to prove that the earth moves and goes around instead of the sky, the sun, the moon, just as if somebody were moving in a carriage or ship might hold that he was sitting still and at rest while the earth and the trees walked and moved. But that is how things are nowadays: when a man wishes to be clever he must needs invent something special, and the way he does it must needs be the best! The fool wants to turn the whole art of astronomy upside-down. However, as Holy Scripture tells us, so did Joshua bid the sun to stand still and not the earth." -Martin Luther, regarding Copernicus' heliocentric theory.

Yes, "they" did. However, they did it disregarding alot of mathematical evidence to the contrary.
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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Moebius said:
Who are you to insist anything?

You're 'insistence' on what should or should not be taught IMO puts you into the same realm as some rather unsavory characters.

btw ... fairy tales are taught to young minds and I don't care.
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A concerned and active participant in society, and as such I don't like seeing false information and false beliefs being taught as facts. It is harmful to society.

Why is insistence in and of itself a problem? Do you not see a fundamental difference between heliocentricity and creationism?
 
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