No one said those things are necessary, you can clone with a glass of water on a window sill. The point was the time they save on the clones showing roots, you yourself agreed 2 - 3 days. That is a lot of time when you start scaling perpetual goals over long periods of time. I am not quite sure why you are trying to argue whether or not a 3 week vegged clone(which by the way he isn't vegging, he just has it in non-pHed water and clonex, lol), is going to put on more bud than a clone flipped at the showing of roots. I guess you don't understand what running high plant numbers does for yield, the timeline I am using is correct, and if you would like me to chart it over the course of a year, 5 years, or 10 years and really see how much money, time, effort I save versus him, I will, I will be happy to change your opinion about the inefficient way most people here grow.
Again I am all ears, but I have grown high count numbers, 60 clones in a 4' x 4' under perpetual for over 2 years now; I am pretty sure I know how it works.
After rooting my clones spend at least 10 days (minimum) of veg before going into 12/12 flower room, trust me I have seen what is produced from a freshly rooted clone to a clone that has had some time to veg out.
I agree that leaving your rooted clones in an aero-cloner after roots have grown out past 4" - 6" is not helping but I would assume OLDDUDE is moving those clones to veg.
I have a 2 week cycle and can produce more than the 10 - 15 clones I need for the cycle, I don't need to put freshly rooted clones to flower because I always have clones that have vegged for at least 10 days, this is why rooting 2 - 3 days earlier means jack as they will just get an extra 2 - 3 days veg more than the others before being thrown to flower.
I also do not keep mothers so rooted clones that have gotten to big are simply chopped up to maintain clone numbers, I cannot see how you would think a rooted clone with no veg could possibly out perform a clone that has vegged for 10 days or 3 weeks for that matter.
No need to chart it out for me, as I said I have used both methods and for me clones with no veg time produced minimal bud (10 - 20 grams) compared to clones that have vegged out some time produced (20 - 40 grams), and double the production seems like good value for 10 - 15 days.
Your schedule is more efficient if other growers have to wait for clones to veg out, but if they have prepared vegged out clones as I do; when the cycle time calls to harvests 10 plants there are 10 more VEGGED clones to replace them; again I am sure you will agree that clones that have vegged for 7 - 10 days will surely produce more
than clones that go from cloner to flower.
regards,