California Gas Prices Through The Roof!

[FreedomWorks]

Gas Prices are 6 cents above what it was before the financial meltdown in 2008. National gas price average today is still 30 cents below what it was in 2008 also. National average today: $3.81 National average in 2008: $4.11 ...... California today was something like $4.68 vs. $4.61 a year ago. So like I said but you refuted- they are almost back to normal!

Of course you all would know that because I posted a thread for you. Freedomworks, you said you would make the thread, but I did you the favor and made it for you.... VERBATIM- WORD FOR WORD- our conversation. Then you cried for the moderator.. That's who I assume Uncle Buck is. Some other moderator came to save you though. But not before I opened the thread and saw your reply! LMAO! Here's what I was going to post before they shut it down:



You asked for it... I was just doing you a favor. And I don't even have to say it.... wait.. yes I do... Be careful what you ask for . And please don't cry now. ; ) ...... But yea, beg for it to come down because you know how foolish you sound! Lesson learned huh?



Don't cry again you snitch!

Snitch? As in you think I'm working with law enforcement to suppress your first amendment rights in the political forum on rollitup? That doesn't make any sense from a conservatives prospective. When you post a thread attacking other members, people can see it. ( yes even the moderators) There is a reason why creating threads for the purpose of personal attacks on other members is against the rules here. Mostly for obvious reasons, like its childish. But also because it creates a hostile environment. If you want to break the rules, go ahead. But next time a moderator calls you out on it... just blame yourself.

 

[canndo]

I surly factored in the explosion, and this is one of the roots to our problems in this state, we need more refineries and the hippies (environmentalists) have stopped all construction of new refineries for decades! When gas supplies get low in this state, the environmentalists will not let us import fuels from other states to supply our demand, winter blends are bandaides, we need to cut down on these ridiculous California regulations and be able to burn the same fuels as the other 49 states and build new refineries to keep up with our demand.

OF course you didn't grow up in LA were people couldn't catch their breaths for days on end, children were advised not to play outside and old folks tended to die before their time with respreratory problems. funny how people forget the bad old says and imagine it just never happened that way.

 

[Grandpapy]

OF course you didn't grow up in LA were people couldn't catch their breaths for days on end, children were advised not to play outside and old folks tended to die before their time with respreratory problems. funny how people forget the bad old says and imagine it just never happened that way.

And this is just Big Oil saying f/u we're not paying 30% more to build a cleaner refinery. They don't care for the environment or their customers.

 

[FreedomWorks]

And this is just Big Oil saying f/u we're not paying 30% more to build a cleaner refinery. They don't care for the environment or their customers.

If you don't pay 30% more to put solar panels on your roof, then you don't care about the environment. Right? Or do you see the fallacy in your liberal hypocrite logic?

 

[Grandpapy]

If you don't pay 30% more to put solar panels on your roof, then you don't care about the environment. Right? Or do you see the fallacy in your liberal hypocrite logic?

So we have APC devices on cars, trucks, and coal fired power plants in order to have a healthier nation, why not a MAJOR polluter?

 

[FreedomWorks]

So we have APC devices on cars, trucks, and coal fired power plants in order to have a healthier nation, why not a MAJOR polluter?

Are you talking about Obama's Air Force 1? It costs about $60,000.00 per HOUR to operate. Most of it is jet fuel needed for Obama to fly around the country and talk about global warming

 

[Grandpapy]

Are you talking about Obama's Air Force 1? It costs about $60,000.00 per HOUR to operate. Most of it is jet fuel needed for Obama to fly around the country and talk about global warming

Emm no, and you are wrong, its' $179,750.http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/05/air-force-one-air-fare-179750-per-hour/1#.UHRd2Bg6Mrw

And about 65% less usage then Bush.http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-20093801.html

Just seems a shame we gave them tax credits to create jobs here, (they could of built a refinery here) instead of 30,000+ oversees.
I would think you would be pissed!
Just think, another refinery here on the west coast, creating jobs!, providing a more reliable supply of fuel, stable prices, small business staying in business, lower cost at the pump. Wow, all that over installing a scrubber system.

 

[FreedomWorks]

Emm no, and you are wrong, its' $179,750.http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/05/air-force-one-air-fare-179750-per-hour/1#.UHRd2Bg6Mrw

And about 65% less usage then Bush.http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-20093801.html

Just seems a shame we gave them tax credits to create jobs here, (they could of built a refinery here) instead of 30,000+ oversees.
I would think you would be pissed!
Just think, another refinery here on the west coast, creating jobs!, providing a more reliable supply of fuel, stable prices, small business staying in business, lower cost at the pump. Wow, all that over installing a scrubber system.

C.A.R.B. is not going to let anybody build anything as far as refineries go.

 

[canndo]

Or that because of the extreme environmentalists here in the #1 liberal state in America, we haven't built a new refinery in over 40 years!

I get such a kick out of these people who are sure they understand economics but demonstrate that they do not.


I have three refineries. I get a profit of 15 cents a gallon. One of my refineries goes out of service and I now get 30 cents a gallon. Refineries cost me billions of dollars each - even without the cost of regulation. Gasoline is a fungible resource in that it is the same price everywhere.

I know that there are fewer and fewer new discoveries, so why the hell should I spend billions of dollars simply to put more gas into the system when so doing will reduce my profit per gallon?

 

[Grandpapy]

C.A.R.B. is not going to let anybody build anything as far as refineries go.

Will you please provide your source for that statement?
I have a pdf for the guidelines of compliance, mind you it's dated 2008

 

[canndo]

Are you talking about Obama's Air Force 1? It costs about $60,000.00 per HOUR to operate. Most of it is jet fuel needed for Obama to fly around the country and talk about global warming

This is the kind of crap the right tends to spew when they have no real case. This country burns 21,000,000 brls of oil a day. What percentage do you think AF1 burns of that figure?

 

[FreedomWorks]

So if Obama borrows about 200k per hour flying around on Air Force 1, does that mean future generations will have to pay that money back eventually. Obama said the national debt is "not a short term problem" Does that mean he plans on making it a long term problem?

[video=youtube;gBP4J98Ii3c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBP4J98Ii3c&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

[FreedomWorks]

This is the kind of crap the right tends to spew when they have no real case. This country burns 21,000,000 brls of oil a day. What percentage do you think AF1 burns of that figure?

Air force uses about 10% of America's jet fuel consumption, and they run Air Force 1. So you do the math and find out how much jet fuel your hypocrite president burns up into the atmosphere every day.

 

[canndo]

Air force uses about 10% of America's jet fuel consumption, and they run Air Force 1. So you do the math and find out how much jet fuel your hypocrite president burns up into the atmosphere every day.

And that airforce flies 6,000 airplanes, many of them consuming far more fuel than a relatively efficient passenger aircraft. You are blowing smoke here, we are talking about one six hundredth of one percent of all jet fuel used.

You are right though, we should have the president of the United States take a bus - and for that matter, maybe he should sit in the back where he belongs.

 

[Harrekin]

And that airforce flies 6,000 airplanes, many of them consuming far more fuel than a relatively efficient passenger aircraft. You are blowing smoke here, we are talking about one six hundredth of one percent of all jet fuel used.

You are right though, we should have the president of the United States take a bus - and for that matter, maybe he should sit in the back where he belongs.

Are you seriously gonna drag race into this?

Gotta love liberals, can't win an argument? Call the other person a racist.

Vote Flying Elephant Kenyan Muslim Socialist 2012 (...or you're a skin head)

 

[cannabineer]

Are you seriously gonna drag race into this?

Gotta love liberals, can't win an argument? Call the other person a racist.

Vote Flying Elephant Kenyan Muslim Socialist 2012 (...or you're a skin head)

 

[canndo]

C.A.R.B. is not going to let anybody build anything as far as refineries go.

Shall we discuss economics yet again here Freedomworks? No company will intentionaly spend billions on a facility that serves only to make their product less expensive when the demand for that product is not at least moderately elastic. How does doing otherwise make any sense? This talk about government keeping oil companies from building new refineries is for the most part bunk. Certainly companies may wish to create more efficient facilities but they will run the ones they have as long as they can. In fact it may be government itself that spurs them to build new, cleaner ones to replace their older dirty ones.

You guys will blame government for your skin tags if given half a chance.

 

[nontheist]

I get such a kick out of these people who are sure they understand economics but demonstrate that they do not.


I have three refineries. I get a profit of 15 cents a gallon. One of my refineries goes out of service and I now get 30 cents a gallon. Refineries cost me billions of dollars each - even without the cost of regulation. Gasoline is a fungible resource in that it is the same price everywhere.

I know that there are fewer and fewer new discoveries, so why the hell should I spend billions of dollars simply to put more gas into the system when so doing will reduce my profit per gallon?

Above post was sent with sticks and mud.

 

[Grandpapy]

I sure do wish I could charge two of my customers more every time a seviceman called in sick.

 

[canndo]

Above post was sent with sticks and mud.

the same crap nonthiest, basic economics has nothing to do with sticks and mud. If as pappy says, you can charge twice as much simply because you can't make as many of something, why make more of that thing? If the fewer of something I make the more I make on each one and I know there is a limit to the number I can sell, why should I make more?