Why social scientists keep "discovering" conservatives are dumb, crazy etc...

[Padawanbater2]

There is the concept that most academicians (myself included) are liberal because by the time one devotes as much time studying a singular subject, such as sociology, education, psychology, etc, one hasspent roughly 8 years becoming an "expert" in said field. With expertise comes seeing the wide range of factors that determine make up a problem, and not just settling for an easy answer such as "niggers be acting crazy all the time." Socio-economic status is definitely the number one factor in determining a person's education (and therefore their upward mobility). Years ago, a study was done that showed African-American's performaed poorly on standardized tests, people hastily concluded that they did poorly because the test was written by whites. However, new research shows that regardless of race, Whether or not a parent reads to their child nightly is the single greatest factor when determining how they perform on standardized tests. Whatfactor has the greatest bearing on whether a parent can read to their child? Well, I am glad you asked, turns out it is a Socio-economic status problem. People who earn low incomes are more likely to work odd houred jobs, long houred/physically demanding jobs, and/or multiple jobs, and these are just a few of the problems facing people with a low income level that deny parents the ability to read to their child daily. Parental involvement is the most important factor in a child's education on a Macro-level. There are surely micro/individual cases that someone will pipe up with "I was raised by coyote's, but still went to school and got my welding certificate" Kudos to you most certainly, but not every 8 year old understands the bootstrap concept. Maybe if their parent had had the time to read Ben Franklin's autobiography they would have gotten it.

Another point is do not use research that is that damn dated. It is almost fifty years old for christ's sake. You may as well use hundred year old research proving the negro mind is inferior because the skull cavity can not hold as much buckshot as a caucasian's.

These people do not understand logic. How anyone could argue this post is beyond me.

But watch.. they will!

Good post +rep

 

[Dr Kynes]

Actually most Muslim movements like the Taliban originally wanted to abolish any form of government- They figured that they would be ruled by the "laws" of Islam. Basically Sharia Law- You know, the thing Fox news and Republicans claim is infiltrating America. This would put them closer to being Communists. Very fine difference. Well, I guess it depends if you're referring to earl vs. later Karl Marx writings.

ya know, you should examine the iranian governemtn, in their own propaganda they extoll their socialism.

the talibs are NOT the iranian "student revolution" the talibs are dedicated theocrats, not socialists using theocracy as their beard.

 

[Dr Kynes]

here we go again, everyone is really a communist and savage if their name isn't keynes? right? certainly not defending them put cmon man this commy plot shit is so oldschool

no, again YOU characterize my previous statements and conflate socialism and communism. ill explain it again so the slow kids in the back of the class can catch on.

Socialists are autocratic dictatorial power hungry assholes who use marxist tropes and marxist buzzwords to gain power and NEVER let it go.

Communists are harmless dreamers who just want to share the dream with everybody, and share all their stuff too. communists are harmless.

Savages are, like the talibs and pol pot's khmer rouge, or the stasi, the brutally indiscriminately violent assholes who enforce the will of whatever bloodyhanded despotism they adhere to, from the brownshirts and gestsapo in hitlers germany, to the sandinista disappearance squads in nicaragua, to the "morality Police" in saudi arabia to idi amin's palace lunch ladies, they simply do the dirty work for their master, whether that master is a despotic political figure, or a magic book with all the answers that tells them to kill every last jew on the planet

socialism and savagery go together like bacon and eggs, and mohammedanism and savagery go together like falafel and hummus, but communism is always thai peanut sauce. tasty, a lot of fun, but of limited utility outside it's intended cuisine.

 

[cannabineer]

I am all for any government that promises me heaven on earth. It's all these fundy religions with their promise of a cookie at the end that bother me. Mainly cause it seems like a crapshoot on who is right, but hey hey if marxism promises me serenity now, then all I can say is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3VCl3yBURs

But seriously, Marxism never tries to be a religion. It does try to use logic and reasoning to bring people to a greater understanding of what the whole of a society needs. I can understand the aversion to such a thing when that person's own beliefs are based in religion and not fact, but stories about a zombie who walks the earth for a month then [flies] off to paradise to build palace's for the followers. I mean how is the concept that we are the product of [millennia] of evolutionary changes and that we are all in this together, so we might as well get along and work together less believable?

hug anyone?

I am irreligious but reject the idea that Marxism's promise of heaven on earth is any more real, or realistic, than the cookie-after-the-show ideologies. In my considered opinion, the success of a Marxist society is predicated upon a fatal misread of human nature. Logic and reason are wonderful things, but they depend on the soundness of the premises. cn

 

[Dr Kynes]

There is the concept that most academicians (myself included) are liberal because by the time one devotes as much time studying a singular subject, such as sociology, education, psychology, etc, one hasspent roughly 8 years becoming an "expert" in said field. With expertise comes seeing the wide range of factors that determine make up a problem, and not just settling for an easy answer such as "niggers be acting crazy all the time." Socio-economic status is definitely the number one factor in determining a person's education (and therefore their upward mobility). Years ago, a study was done that showed African-American's performaed poorly on standardized tests, people hastily concluded that they did poorly because the test was written by whites. However, new research shows that regardless of race, Whether or not a parent reads to their child nightly is the single greatest factor when determining how they perform on standardized tests. Whatfactor has the greatest bearing on whether a parent can read to their child? Well, I am glad you asked, turns out it is a Socio-economic status problem. People who earn low incomes are more likely to work odd houred jobs, long houred/physically demanding jobs, and/or multiple jobs, and these are just a few of the problems facing people with a low income level that deny parents the ability to read to their child daily. Parental involvement is the most important factor in a child's education on a Macro-level. There are surely micro/individual cases that someone will pipe up with "I was raised by coyote's, but still went to school and got my welding certificate" Kudos to you most certainly, but not every 8 year old understands the bootstrap concept. Maybe if their parent had had the time to read Ben Franklin's autobiography they would have gotten it.

Another point is do not use research that is that damn dated. It is almost fifty years old for christ's sake. You may as well use hundred year old research proving the negro mind is inferior because the skull cavity can not hold as much buckshot as a caucasian's.

well stated, clear and concise, however, lengthy study and academic scholarship does NOT breed liberalism as a result of "understanding" or as a byproduct of knowledge. many people with advanced degrees are still quite conservative, and in most recent surveys conservatism has been fairly common in the "Hard Sciences", but conspicuously absent in "The Humanities". the trend has been examined by many, and the general consensus of those who seek an answer more detailed than "Conservatism makes you dumb" has been that liberalism is the culture of academia, exposure to the culture of academia instills in many the kind of liberalism, and progressive groupthink that leads to continued progressive groupthink, while in the hard sciences, social dynamics and peoples feelings are rarely important to the subject at hand, and thus are not part of the curriculum. likewise, the culture of the US military is quite conservative and thus few youthful liberals make it through their enlistment without discovering their inner curmudgeon and embracing conservatism to one degree or another. when you join a social group with a single dominant political philosophy,, moist people will wind up accepting that political philosophy themselves as part of their integration into their new peer group.

unfortunately my personal experience has been that indeed the black community's culture is one of failure as a virtue, ignorance is bliss, and spinnin rims are the goal one should strive to attain. dim witted troglodytes like lil wayne entrench the black youth in a belief that success is measured in baby mommas and bling, while kanye west shouts about imaginary downpression from the man because "bush doesnt like black people". if the black youth of today are the leaders of tomorrow, then the struggle is lost, and the civil rights movement was just a fad. but what doi i know? all my black friends are sellouts and oreos.

 

[Totoe]

well stated, clear and concise, however, lengthy study and academic scholarship does NOT breed liberalism as a result of "understanding" or as a byproduct of knowledge. many people with advanced degrees are still quite conservative, and in most recent surveys conservatism has been fairly common in the "Hard Sciences", but conspicuously absent in "The Humanities". the trend has been examined by many, and the general consensus of those who seek an answer more detailed than "Conservatism makes you dumb" has been that liberalism is the culture of academia, exposure to the culture of academia instills in many the kind of liberalism, and progressive groupthink that leads to continued progressive groupthink, while in the hard sciences, social dynamics and peoples feelings are rarely important to the subject at hand, and thus are not part of the curriculum. likewise, the culture of the US military is quite conservative and thus few youthful liberals make it through their enlistment without discovering their inner curmudgeon and embracing conservatism to one degree or another. when you join a social group with a single dominant political philosophy,, moist people will wind up accepting that political philosophy themselves as part of their integration into their new peer group.

unfortunately my personal experience has been that indeed the black community's culture is one of failure as a virtue, ignorance is bliss, and spinnin rims are the goal one should strive to attain. dim witted troglodytes like lil wayne entrench the black youth in a belief that success is measured in baby mommas and bling, while kanye west shouts about imaginary downpression from the man because "bush doesnt like black people". if the black youth of today are the leaders of tomorrow, then the struggle is lost, and the civil rights movement was just a fad. but what doi i know? all my black friends are sellouts and oreos.

My point was that the scientific study of social sciences and education can lend itself quite well to developing a liberal bias. It is easy to see conservatism as agendas which lend itself easily to "old ways" of thinking, such as ways espoused by the people who went through head removal surgeries during the french revolution.

Still harping on coons eh? It is both a micro and macro issue. Micro in that it effects one race, macro in it's prevalence. You seem to be ignoring that an embrace of ignornce is prevaent regardless of race. In the south, for example, there is a sub-set of the white racethat is judges not on the amount of book learnin' a person has, but rather whether their truck is a 4-wheel drive and how big the tires are. Other areas of importance in this group are the latest Toby Keith songs, muddin, and rebel flags. This ignorant embrace of ignorance is a problem regardless of race.

 

[UncleBuck]

Still harping on coons eh?

totoe: you are talking to a john birch society wingnut who has expressed and defended his disdain for multiculturalism.

the facts are irrelevant to him in this thread, for him it is just a handy excuse to list off all of his black culture stereotypes and prejudices.

 

[Totoe]

I am irreligious but reject the idea that Marxism's promise of heaven on earth is any more real, or realistic, than the cookie-after-the-show ideologies. In my considered opinion, the success of a Marxist society is predicated upon a fatal misread of human nature. Logic and reason are wonderful things, but they depend on the soundness of the premises. cn

Sorry, sarcasm doesn't always translate to text. I thought it would there, but yea I agree that it makes a terrible assumption about human nature.

 

[Dr Kynes]

My point was that the scientific study of social sciences and education can lend itself quite well to developing a liberal bias. It is easy to see conservatism as agendas which lend itself easily to "old ways" of thinking, such as ways espoused by the people who went through head removal surgeries during the french revolution.

Still harping on coons eh? It is both a micro and macro issue. Micro in that it effects one race, macro in it's prevalence. You seem to be ignoring that an embrace of ignornce is prevaent regardless of race. In the south, for example, there is a sub-set of the white racethat is judges not on the amount of book learnin' a person has, but rather whether their truck is a 4-wheel drive and how big the tires are. Other areas of importance in this group are the latest Toby Keith songs, muddin, and rebel flags. This ignorant embrace of ignorance is a problem regardless of race.

i suppose it's easy to believe that all rurals folks can be summed up in what you see on redneck vacation, and the beverly hillbillies. sadly this is NOT rural life, and those are ACTORS portraying a character for the amusement of the city dwellers.

muddin is no more than a recreational activity, like shooting pool, gambling in casinos or going to a beach. when you dont have ready access to a beach, or reno, vegas, or atlantic city one makes do with what ya got. 4 wheel drive is not an affectation if you live in a rural area, it IS an affectation if you live in the city, and in the city i see more jacked up trucks than i ever did in the country. course in the country those trucks had scars, mud, rust and dents from goin off the paved highways, in the city they are just like a lowrider, a pimpmobile or a fancy european sports car. simply a toy for those with the money to blow on some wheels that are conspicuously non-productive. conspicuous non-productivity has become the hallmark of modern urban youth culture, and nowhere more so than in the presumably economically depressed black community, yet the sellers of Grillz and spinnin rims have more than enough customers clammoring for their chance to look like a crack dealing gang member or rap impressario. claiming this kind of conspicuous consumption is a result of socio-economic downpression is not only illogical but silly.

having lived among the rural poor, and the urban poor (in specific,, the ghetto thank you) i can readily see with my own eyes which group is really broke as a joke, and which group has money to spend on flashy jewelry and trousers that loose their sparkly glitter designs if you wash them.

head on down to your county assistance office some time, and just watch. it's an education in an afternoon. pay particular attention to the shoes of those in line for welfare, foodstamps and whatnot. real poor folks shoes aint shiny, and they will be laced up tight.

i dont sport stars and bars, nor do i associate with those that do generally. rebel flags are an affectation, and a challenge that announces your membership in a particular community, the last such group that it's ok to hate. rebel flags are not the only such challenge, they are just the one that youre allowed to despise. thats the poison of political correctness, and if you dont stop drinkin you might never wake up

if a hillbilly makes good, we dont yank his country card, and bar him from entrance to honky tonks, and if a redneck goes to college and gets a degree we dont call him a sellout, even if he moves to the city. he may lose his country twang, and stop eatin grits and ham steaks but he will never be driven out of a hoedown for pulling up in a foreign car, not even a BMW. thats the difference, clarence thomas, condoleeza rice, and tony brown are not even considered black any more, they are declared to be traitors, and spoken of with a venom i dont even hear when the discussion turns to the Klan. but i guess thats socio-economic too.

 

[ink the world]

unfortunately my personal experience has been that indeed the black community's culture is one of failure as a virtue, ignorance is bliss, and spinnin rims are the goal one should strive to attain. dim witted troglodytes like lil wayne entrench the black youth in a belief that success is measured in baby mommas and bling, while kanye west shouts about imaginary downpression from the man because "bush doesnt like black people". if the black youth of today are the leaders of tomorrow, then the struggle is lost, and the civil rights movement was just a fad. but what doi i know? all my black friends are sellouts and oreos.

thanks for the reminder that every biggot is not necessarily a dolt.

You can write eloquently and present your case well. It's a shame that your case is unfounded and chock full of racial bullshit. Guess you really can polish a turd

 

[Dr Kynes]

totoe: you are talking to a john birch society wingnut who has expressed and defended his disdain for multiculturalism.

the facts are irrelevant to him in this thread, for him it is just a handy excuse to list off all of his black culture stereotypes and prejudices.

wrong

right

wrong.

i am not, nor have i ever been a member of the john birch society, but my grandmother who voted democrat her whole life sent them money every year. she never joined, but that just cause they supported a few republicans now and again.

i do hate multiculturalism, since it is NOT multi-cultural, it is exclusionary of everything european, american and traditional in this nation. it is an embracing of differences, as long as those differences are sufficiently foreign to ensure that they will be opposed to anything conservative in america. it is INDOCTRINATION not inclusion.

this thread started off discussing the leftist/progressive/marxist bias in universities, particularly the sociology departments and their studies, scholarship and publications. YOU guys turned it into a crypto-racist attack on academia and atempted to stifle all discussion on the subject by throwing out the race card. all the usual suspects flocked in and made it rain with accusations of racism, hatred, secret agendas and all the politically correct buzzwords one might expect.

so if you want to know who is stifling discussion, and making racial stereotypes fly, check your nearest mirror.

my complaint is that the old stereotypes are being made true by this new crop of shiftless no-account fools who are poisoning the wine at MLK's victory celebration and dropping turds in the punchbowl. if i were black i would be as furious at the current generation as my friends who voice their disdain loudly, but hey, who listens to sellouts? not you buck. definitely not you. their voices are invalidated by their refusal to accept the democrat party line, and the Brahmin in Chief's hope and change.

 

[Dr Kynes]

thanks for the reminder that every biggot is not necessarily a dolt.

You can write eloquently and present your case well. It's a shame that your case is unfounded and chock full of racial bullshit. Guess you really can polish a turd

yep, chock full of racial bullshit. watch BET for an afternoon if youre too lazy to head on down to the rougher parts of town. either way youll see all the racial bullshit and stereotypes you can handle, and all of it manufactured by and for the new black community. a community that is destroying itself by embracing the lowest common denominator with gusto.

i didnt make it happen, and i dont like that it's happenin.

but then im racist for seein whats right in front of me every day, and double racist for not equating it with a few good ol boys who like to get down in a mudhole with their trucks on a sunday aftenoon. course im triple racist cuz i actually like pabst blue ribbon and rodeos. i should be ashamed of myself.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

weed

 

[ink the world]

I don't need to watch BET or to "head down to the rougher parts of town" to understand the reality of those neighborhoods. I'm in no ivory tower.

I grew up in one and spent the better part of my adult life working in those areas in tattoo shops. The reality is that the problems you describe are those of poverty, not race.

 

[desert dude]

There is the concept that most academicians (myself included) are liberal because by the time one devotes as much time studying a singular subject, such as sociology, education, psychology, etc, one hasspent roughly 8 years becoming an "expert" in said field. With expertise comes seeing the wide range of factors that determine make up a problem, and not just settling for an easy answer such as "niggers be acting crazy all the time." Socio-economic status is definitely the number one factor in determining a person's education (and therefore their upward mobility). Years ago, a study was done that showed African-American's performaed poorly on standardized tests, people hastily concluded that they did poorly because the test was written by whites. However, new research shows that regardless of race, Whether or not a parent reads to their child nightly is the single greatest factor when determining how they perform on standardized tests. Whatfactor has the greatest bearing on whether a parent can read to their child? Well, I am glad you asked, turns out it is a Socio-economic status problem. People who earn low incomes are more likely to work odd houred jobs, long houred/physically demanding jobs, and/or multiple jobs, and these are just a few of the problems facing people with a low income level that deny parents the ability to read to their child daily. Parental involvement is the most important factor in a child's education on a Macro-level. There are surely micro/individual cases that someone will pipe up with "I was raised by coyote's, but still went to school and got my welding certificate" Kudos to you most certainly, but not every 8 year old understands the bootstrap concept. Maybe if their parent had had the time to read Ben Franklin's autobiography they would have gotten it.

Another point is do not use research that is that damn dated. It is almost fifty years old for christ's sake. You may as well use hundred year old research proving the negro mind is inferior because the skull cavity can not hold as much buckshot as a caucasian's.

Totoe, you sound dangerously like Mitt Romney here. How dare you point out that parents (plural) are important to raising successful kids. Bucky, attack!

 

[desert dude]

wrong

right

wrong.

i am not, nor have i ever been a member of the john birch society, but my grandmother who voted democrat her whole life sent them money every year. she never joined, but that just cause they supported a few republicans now and again.

i do hate multiculturalism, since it is NOT multi-cultural, it is exclusionary of everything european, american and traditional in this nation. it is an embracing of differences, as long as those differences are sufficiently foreign to ensure that they will be opposed to anything conservative in america. it is INDOCTRINATION not inclusion.

this thread started off discussing the leftist/progressive/marxist bias in universities, particularly the sociology departments and their studies, scholarship and publications. YOU guys turned it into a crypto-racist attack on academia and atempted to stifle all discussion on the subject by throwing out the race card. all the usual suspects flocked in and made it rain with accusations of racism, hatred, secret agendas and all the politically correct buzzwords one might expect.

so if you want to know who is stifling discussion, and making racial stereotypes fly, check your nearest mirror.

my complaint is that the old stereotypes are being made true by this new crop of shiftless no-account fools who are poisoning the wine at MLK's victory celebration and dropping turds in the punchbowl. if i were black i would be as furious at the current generation as my friends who voice their disdain loudly, but hey, who listens to sellouts? not you buck. definitely not you. their voices are invalidated by their refusal to accept the democrat party line, and the Brahmin in Chief's hope and change.

Exactly. It is RACIST to disagree with a liberal. End of discussion. There was no mention of race at all in the OP.

 

[cannabineer]

Sorry, sarcasm doesn't always translate to text. I thought it would there, but yea I agree that it makes a terrible assumption about human nature.

No worries. I could not be sure, so I responded to face value.
I am very very wary of neatly-packaged plans for social (or political or economic) health. cn

 

[Dr Kynes]

I don't need to watch BET or to "head down to the rougher parts of town" to understand the reality of those neighborhoods. I'm in no ivory tower.

I grew up in one and spent the better part of my adult life working in those areas in tattoo shops. The reality is that the problems you describe are those of poverty, not race.

i been poor most of my life, and never once did being poor make me go out and buy diamond encrusted fronts for my teeth, nor ostentatious medallions.

when real poor folks are broke, they cut back, sometimes to the bone. shoes are bought at goodwill or on special at payless, or my personal favorite, at the army surplus store for 20 bucks, not $200 air jordans from the footlocker in the mall.

when i was a kid we were on public assistance, and my mother still worked all day, and so did i. you cannot seriously believe that your experience in a tattoo parlour, which by definition deals in fripperies could give you any insight into real poor folks, since poor folks are too busy trying to put food on the table or keep clothes on their kid's backs to drop a couple hundred on fancy new skin art. your clientele were the very heart of the problem, people with plenty of cash for useless adornments, but no interest in saving that money, spending it on bettering their lot, or buying the needful things which they prefer the government provide, so they may continue covering themselves in expensive peacock plumage.

next time youre in the supermarket behind a broad in fancy clothes with an elaborate hairdo and freshly manicured 3 inch manchurian talons and a foodstamp card, ponder how she affords all that shit but still needs, or even qualifies for foodstamps.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

oh ya fancy mail shoes. . . i hate them

 

[Dr Kynes]

oh ya fancy mail shoes. . . i hate them

snide remarks about spelling dont work if MALL was spelled correctly.

you must be high as fuck!