rollinbud
Active Member
your post's title really has nothing to do with the article you posted.
Why social scientists keep "discovering" conservatives are dumb, crazy etc...
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your post's title really has nothing to do with the article you posted.
desert dude
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Sure it does. Liberals who openly hate and discriminate against conservatives, and who enjoy absolute authority in their sphere publish "research" that "proves" conservatives are insane, and stupid. Seems pretty obvious to me.
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
I didn't redefine anything mr blackpot, funny how you concluded by equating progressivism with Marxism though.
UncleBuck
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you poor, persecuted, conservatives.
you can't even ask loaded, racially charged questions that presuppose their own answers.
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
The definition of insanity is repeating the same mistakes hoping for a different outcome. That sounds like opposing progress.
Dr Kynes
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marxism is progressive, progressives share the road with marxists, and most people who call themselves "progressives" these days are simply using the innocuous and happy sounding label to cover the toxic baggage of marx and engles.
or was iran's "progressive student revolution" not a marxist/socialist proletarian uprising resulting in a nationalist socialist state?
but one which is also an islamic theocracy, instead of a wagnerian mytholological theocracy like hitler's germany. of course hitler isnt a marxist any more... nope.... not at all. hitler was also not the darling of progressives in america in the 20's and 30's like franklin rooosevelt, henry ford, walt disney and armin hammer.
nope, revisionist history is the cure-all for political baggage.
desert dude
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Just being helpful to our progressives:
prog·ress (pr
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)n.1. Movement, as toward a goal; advance.
2. Development or growth: students who show progress.
3. Steady improvement, as of a society or civilization: a believer in human progress. See Synonyms at development.
4. A ceremonial journey made by a sovereign through his or her realm.
intr.v. pro·gress (pr
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) pro·gressed, pro·gress·ing, pro·gress·es 1. To advance; proceed: Work on the new building progressed at a rapid rate.
2. To advance toward a higher or better stage; improve steadily: as medical technology progresses.
3. To increase in scope or severity, as a disease taking an unfavorable course.
Idiom: in progress Going on; under way: a work in progress.
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[h=3]Liberalism[/h] The term "progressive" is today often used in place of "liberal." Although the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political ideologies and should not be used interchangeably. In the US in particular, the term progressive tends to have the same value as the European term social democrat; which is scarcely used in American political language.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
The reason for this confusion in the US might partly be rooted in the political spectrum being two-dimensional; social liberalism is a tenet of modern progressivism, whereas economic liberalism (and its associated deregulation) is not. According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the center-left Center for American Progress, "Progressivism is an orientation towards politics. It's not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept... that accepts the world as dynamic.
Cultural Liberalism[SUP][clarification needed][/SUP] is ultimately founded on the belief that the major purpose of the government is to protect rights. Liberals are often called "left-wing"[SUP][citation needed][/SUP], in contrast to "right-wing" conservatives. The progressive school, as a unique branch of contemporary political thought, tends to advocate certain center-left or left-wing views that may conflict with mainstream liberal views, despite the fact that modern liberalism and progressivism may still both support many of the same policies (such as the concept of war as a general last resort).[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
American progressives tend to advocate progressive taxation and oppose the growing influence of corporations. Progressives are in agreement on an international scale with left-liberalism in that they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system. In the United States, liberals and progressives are often conflated, and in general are the primary voters of the Democratic Party which has a "large tent" policy, combining similar if not congruent ideologies into large voting blocs. Many progressives also support the Green Party or local parties such as the Vermont Progressive Party. In Canada, liberals usually support the national Liberal Party while progressives usually support the New Democratic Party, which traditionally has had provincial electorial success in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, British Columbia, and since the recent federal election, in Quebec." [SUP][11]"[/SUP]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
prog·ress (pr
2. Development or growth: students who show progress.
3. Steady improvement, as of a society or civilization: a believer in human progress. See Synonyms at development.
4. A ceremonial journey made by a sovereign through his or her realm.
intr.v. pro·gress (pr
2. To advance toward a higher or better stage; improve steadily: as medical technology progresses.
3. To increase in scope or severity, as a disease taking an unfavorable course.
Idiom: in progress Going on; under way: a work in progress.
"
[h=3]Liberalism[/h] The term "progressive" is today often used in place of "liberal." Although the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political ideologies and should not be used interchangeably. In the US in particular, the term progressive tends to have the same value as the European term social democrat; which is scarcely used in American political language.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
The reason for this confusion in the US might partly be rooted in the political spectrum being two-dimensional; social liberalism is a tenet of modern progressivism, whereas economic liberalism (and its associated deregulation) is not. According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the center-left Center for American Progress, "Progressivism is an orientation towards politics. It's not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept... that accepts the world as dynamic.
Cultural Liberalism[SUP][clarification needed][/SUP] is ultimately founded on the belief that the major purpose of the government is to protect rights. Liberals are often called "left-wing"[SUP][citation needed][/SUP], in contrast to "right-wing" conservatives. The progressive school, as a unique branch of contemporary political thought, tends to advocate certain center-left or left-wing views that may conflict with mainstream liberal views, despite the fact that modern liberalism and progressivism may still both support many of the same policies (such as the concept of war as a general last resort).[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
American progressives tend to advocate progressive taxation and oppose the growing influence of corporations. Progressives are in agreement on an international scale with left-liberalism in that they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system. In the United States, liberals and progressives are often conflated, and in general are the primary voters of the Democratic Party which has a "large tent" policy, combining similar if not congruent ideologies into large voting blocs. Many progressives also support the Green Party or local parties such as the Vermont Progressive Party. In Canada, liberals usually support the national Liberal Party while progressives usually support the New Democratic Party, which traditionally has had provincial electorial success in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, British Columbia, and since the recent federal election, in Quebec." [SUP][11]"[/SUP]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
New York City , NY October 4, 1963
"...until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained; And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique and in South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed; Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will; Until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven; Until that day, the African continent will not know peace. We Africans will fight, if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil..."
~Emperor Haile Selassie, descendant of King Solomon.
"...until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained; And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique and in South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed; Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will; Until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven; Until that day, the African continent will not know peace. We Africans will fight, if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil..."
~Emperor Haile Selassie, descendant of King Solomon.
deprave
New Member
here we go again, everyone is really a communist and savage if their name isn't keynes? right? certainly not defending them put cmon man this commy plot shit is so oldschool
Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
Descendant of King Solomon. That's so fucking hilarious. I might be descended to Ghengis Khan because mongols once attacked Finland. Does that mean I want to take over the world and force as many woman as I can to fuck me? Hmmmm possibly.
ChesusRice
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That would be awesome
Actually most Muslim movements like the Taliban originally wanted to abolish any form of government- They figured that they would be ruled by the "laws" of Islam. Basically Sharia Law- You know, the thing Fox news and Republicans claim is infiltrating America. This would put them closer to being Communists. Very fine difference. Well, I guess it depends if you're referring to earl vs. later Karl Marx writings.
FreedomWorks
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Islam is their government. The Taliban likes to murder little girls if they decide to wear bright clothing or listen to Beyonce. Thats 3 steps past communism, on to trickle trick Marxonomics, then landing on homicidal psychopaths. The Arab Spring is not a true Democracy. How would that even be possible without a first amendment.
Omgwtfbbq Indicaman
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its a religious set of laws, not an economic set of laws dumbass, stop comparing marx to the fools who wrote the koran
FreedomWorks
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Wrote the what? Do you mean Korean or Quran? Social laws and economic laws ARE relevant to each other..... in so many different ways that nobody knows them all.
Totoe
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There is the concept that most academicians (myself included) are liberal because by the time one devotes as much time studying a singular subject, such as sociology, education, psychology, etc, one hasspent roughly 8 years becoming an "expert" in said field. With expertise comes seeing the wide range of factors that determine make up a problem, and not just settling for an easy answer such as "niggers be acting crazy all the time." Socio-economic status is definitely the number one factor in determining a person's education (and therefore their upward mobility). Years ago, a study was done that showed African-American's performaed poorly on standardized tests, people hastily concluded that they did poorly because the test was written by whites. However, new research shows that regardless of race, Whether or not a parent reads to their child nightly is the single greatest factor when determining how they perform on standardized tests. Whatfactor has the greatest bearing on whether a parent can read to their child? Well, I am glad you asked, turns out it is a Socio-economic status problem. People who earn low incomes are more likely to work odd houred jobs, long houred/physically demanding jobs, and/or multiple jobs, and these are just a few of the problems facing people with a low income level that deny parents the ability to read to their child daily. Parental involvement is the most important factor in a child's education on a Macro-level. There are surely micro/individual cases that someone will pipe up with "I was raised by coyote's, but still went to school and got my welding certificate" Kudos to you most certainly, but not every 8 year old understands the bootstrap concept. Maybe if their parent had had the time to read Ben Franklin's autobiography they would have gotten it.
Another point is do not use research that is that damn dated. It is almost fifty years old for christ's sake. You may as well use hundred year old research proving the negro mind is inferior because the skull cavity can not hold as much buckshot as a caucasian's.
Totoe
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I fail to see the similarity between sharia law and marxism, particularly due to one coming from a man who called religion "the opiate of the masses," and proposed a governmental form with no religious pre-text.
FreedomWorks
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THE RELIGION IS THE GOVERNMENT. Thats the comparison. There is NO separation of church and state. Islam is a religion of submission. Ask Muslims, they will tell you the same thing. Marxism is seeping through the pores of modern day liberalism. To them the government is their salvation, the government will some day create a utopia of some kind like heaven on earth. Thats where you've failed to see the similarity my friend.
Totoe
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I am all for any government that promises me heaven on earth. It's all these fundy religions with their promise of a cookie at the end that bother me. Mainly cause it seems like a crapshoot on who is right, but hey hey if marxism promises me serenity now, then all I can say is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3VCl3yBURs
But seriously, Marxism never tries to be a religion. It does try to use logic and reasoning to bring people to a greater understanding of what the whole of a society needs. I can understand the aversion to such a thing when that person's own beliefs are based in religion and not fact, but stories about a zombie who walks the earth for a month then flys off to paradise to build palace's for the followers. I mean how is the concept that we are the product of millenia of evolutionary changes and that we are all in this together, so we might as well get along and work together less believable?
hug anyone?
But seriously, Marxism never tries to be a religion. It does try to use logic and reasoning to bring people to a greater understanding of what the whole of a society needs. I can understand the aversion to such a thing when that person's own beliefs are based in religion and not fact, but stories about a zombie who walks the earth for a month then flys off to paradise to build palace's for the followers. I mean how is the concept that we are the product of millenia of evolutionary changes and that we are all in this together, so we might as well get along and work together less believable?
hug anyone?
Samwell Seed Well
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sig worthy