Why social scientists keep "discovering" conservatives are dumb, crazy etc...

[ink the world]

i been poor most of my life, and never once did being poor make me go out and buy diamond encrusted fronts for my teeth, nor ostentatious medallions.

when real poor folks are broke, they cut back, sometimes to the bone. shoes are bought at goodwill or on special at payless, or my personal favorite, at the army surplus store for 20 bucks, not $200 air jordans from the footlocker in the mall.

when i was a kid we were on public assistance, and my mother still worked all day, and so did i. you cannot seriously believe that your experience in a tattoo parlour, which by definition deals in fripperies could give you any insight into real poor folks, since poor folks are too busy trying to put food on the table or keep clothes on their kid's backs to drop a couple hundred on fancy new skin art. your clientele were the very heart of the problem, people with plenty of cash for useless adornments, but no interest in saving that money, spending it on bettering their lot, or buying the needful things which they prefer the government provide, so they may continue covering themselves in expensive peacock plumage.

next time youre in the supermarket behind a broad in fancy clothes with an elaborate hairdo and freshly manicured 3 inch manchurian talons and a foodstamp card, ponder how she affords all that shit but still needs, or even qualifies for foodstamps.

More polished turd.

First off, I doubt your tale of growing up poor. Anyone that's been poor knows better than to generalize all poor people as gold toothed gangbangers. That's nothing more than thinly veiled racism. They also don't use words like "frippiness," Christ man; you sound like fucking Super Wasp.

Secondly, I never mentioned my clintelle, merely the neighborhoods. Nice attempt at putting words in my mouth. My clientele ranged from street trash to cops and veterans.

Thanks for the view from your ivory tower yuppie

 

[ink the world]

Totoe, you sound dangerously like Mitt Romney here. How dare you point out that parents (plural) are important to raising successful kids. Bucky, attack!

Id call being the POTUS pretty successful. There are plenty of successful people that are the children of single parents, out current President included.

Totoe is absolutely correct about parental involvement. Thats the key, the active involvement with the development; not the mere presence of 2 parents. A child raised by an actively involved single parent will do better than a child with 2 lazy uninvolved parents.

 

[NLXSK1]

More polished turd.

First off, I doubt your tale of growing up poor. Anyone that's been poor knows better than to generalize all poor people as gold toothed gangbangers. That's nothing more than thinly veiled racism. They also don't use words like "frippiness," Christ man; you sound like fucking Super Wasp.

Secondly, I never mentioned my clintelle, merely the neighborhoods. Nice attempt at putting words in my mouth. My clientele ranged from street trash to cops and veterans.

Thanks for the view from your ivory tower yuppie

I doubt that you have ever inked a tattoo in your life.

In fact I doubt you are human.

 

[Totoe]

Id call being the POTUS pretty successful. There are plenty of successful people that are the children of single parents, out current President included.

Totoe is absolutely correct about parental involvement. Thats the key, the active involvement with the development; not the mere presence of 2 parents. A child raised by an actively involved single parent will do better than a child with 2 lazy uninvolved parents.

So true, I am the child of a single mother and currently have a year of coursework and a dissertation to write for my doc degree. My mother was highly involved in my success and I attribute her involvement with my success. Many of my friends have not done anything since high school because their parents (plural) were much less active in their lives, and did not place the same emphasis on education as my mother did. The point I was making to Kynes is that parent involvement, I never said both parents, is the difference. I do realize that I somewhat won the genetic lottery by being born a middle-class white American male. I say somehwat because I could have been born way more disadvantaged, but I did not hit the jackpot by being born a Kennedy or Bush etc.

Kynes, the point I was making about rednecks is every racial group has a sub-culture that disproportionately places value on ghetto/redneck/tejano/(insert racial sub-group here) swag, bling, or whatever the hell you want to call it. You just seem to be discriminately targeting African-Americans. You stay away from the white families on welfare/foodstamps with a jacked up ford f-150 and a rebel flag on the back glass. Nor do you disparage the Catholic mexican family with 8 kids, a yukon on twenty's and a basket full of meat, tortillas, and sweet cakes. So, what I am asking is, why you hatin' on the brothas? i could understand if you were rich and hated all poor people equally because they are yucky or whatever.

ALso, I have seen whites be ostracized from a larger group of whites for being too "yankeefied" or being a "nigger-lover." A lot of the colleges in the south (particularly Ole Miss) were started because plantation owners were tired of their sons going to college up north and coming back yankeefied. All you have to do is take an interracial couple to a Southern Baptist Church and you find out what an un-clean white person is. Or, just take an interracial couple anywhere in the south and follow about ten steps behind them then you will be able to hear what everyone says.

 

[ink the world]

I doubt that you have ever inked a tattoo in your life.

In fact I doubt you are human.

I hardly care what a non profitable lawn mowing fool thinks. But thanks for another of your insightful comments anyways.

 

[NLXSK1]

I hardly care what a non profitable lawn mowing fool thinks. But thanks for another of your insightful comments anyways.

LOL! I probably made more money legally than you did today...

You discount anyone who does not have direct experience of something and when they say they do you call them a liar. Thanks for all your insightful (read ignorant and stupid) comments as well...

 

[ink the world]

LOL! I probably made more money legally than you did today...

You discount anyone who does not have direct experience of something and when they say they do you call them a liar. Thanks for all your insightful (read ignorant and stupid) comments as well...

WTF does "legally" infer, that I'm a criminal? If being a caregiver makes me a criminal in your eyes I'm not surprised. You've always struck me as a hypocrite.

Today was delivery day for my regular patients as well as patients that I donate meds to. How much did you donate towards a charity or a sick person today wise ass? I donated 1.75 oz. this week. You mow a disabled persons lawn for free today?

Youre off base on my discounting "everyone," I never did that. I directly discounted Kynes, no one else. If you're gonna accuse me of bullshit at least get what you're accusing me of correctly.

 

[Dr Kynes]

More polished turd.

First off, I doubt your tale of growing up poor. Anyone that's been poor knows better than to generalize all poor people as gold toothed gangbangers. That's nothing more than thinly veiled racism. They also don't use words like "frippiness," Christ man; you sound like fucking Super Wasp.

Secondly, I never mentioned my clintelle, merely the neighborhoods. Nice attempt at putting words in my mouth. My clientele ranged from street trash to cops and veterans.

Thanks for the view from your ivory tower yuppie

i grew up poor, worked poor, lived poor, made a lot of money in the 80's and 90', and then got pretty damned poor again. i currently work minimum wage part time, and supplement my income with my garden's produce, so yeah, still poor, just too "rich" to qualify for assistance even if i wanted it.

if using a word like "Fripperies" (look it up) makes me a yuppie in an ivory tower, then Joseph Plumm Martin must have been one rich ass yuppie too, except he was a hayseed plowboy just like me, and yuppies didnt even exist in the 1700's. you can read his diary today, and his words make most people you meet seem like unlettered dimwits grunting into their twitterbox. literacy is cheap and easy to get. you can find it free at most public libraries. you might wanna check that out.

ALL tattoo parlour patrons are wasting their money on useless adornments, those who legitimately pay for them from their own pocket are fine with me, but if they are living on the dole, then skin ink should be the LAST thing on their minds. if your tattoo parlour was in the slums then your clientele was made up of slum dwellers, or people who were slumming. all the rundown part of town tattoo shops i have ever seen catered to the faux poor, the ghetto fabulous dipshits who live on the dole, but thrive on blackmarketeering, criminal activity, or welfare fraud. mister monopoly doesnt get his ink done in watts.your statement fails the logic test. or do you pretend that north hollywood or san francisco's SOMA district are the Ghetto?

trendy hipsters get their tattoos done in trendy hipster parlours, sailors and verterans get their tattoos from their fellows, bikers get their tats from tattoo shops that cater to bikers, and slum dwelling scum get their skin art in seedy rundown tat-in-a-box tracerey shops from a dickhead who feeds on the "disposable income" of people who tell the welfare office they got no money. do the math. you are either lying, or you are in fact a bottom feeder in the ghetto fabulous cesspool.

also, thinly veiled racism? really? so bill cosby wasnt pilloried for telling the kids to pull their pants up and learn to speak english rather than wasting away in self-imposed isolation? or is the Coz also a crypto-racist?

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

ya but if bill cosby was poor and black with no tv show saying the same thing, you would still distrust him

 

[Dr Kynes]

ya but if bill cosby was poor and black with no tv show saying the same thing, you would still distrust him

theres where youre wrong. i hear people in MY peer group (rural poor and honest) who also happen to be black rail against these same problems in the black community. i saw an old black lady tear a kid a new one on a bus for his shiftless minstrelsy, and one line stays with me always.

"Youre acting like a damn fool in front of all these white people!"

but then i guess she was racist too, for feeling shame at a kid who could have been her own grandson acting like stepin fetchit in public, and worst of all, in view of white people. and she was right.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

well theres your proof you can rightoff a hole demograpic becuase some equaly opportunity old lady agrees with you, and happens to be black . . . . .. case closed

 

[Dr Kynes]

well theres your proof you can rightoff a hole demograpic becuase some equaly opportunity old lady agrees with you, and happens to be black . . . . .. case closed

she's not the only one. but very few black scholars dare speak out against the problem, for fear of being cosbyed into obscurity, and no non-black scholar dares speak of the problem for fear of being declared racist. this is a phenomenon thats NOT found in white, chicano or asian society. in my area the local asian groups are speaking out against the ghettoification of their youth, and only white liberals are calling it racist. in los angeles, and the south central valley several local programs designed to keep chicano youth out of street gangs were quite successful, but the white liberal opponents called that racist too. the groups actually effected by the programs did not call it racist, they called it WELCOME, even if some of the proponents were honkeys.

wrapping black culture in the magic cloak of anti-racism and white guilt doesnt keep kids in school or out of dope gangs (and by that i mean crack slinging, i support broadening the cannabis mercantile opportunities in ALL cultural groups, i'd rather buy weed from my local rastas than from phillip morris) for several years i moved freely through the black community, and the story was always the same in the jazz clubs, in the parks and in the churches, blacks who wanted the civil rights movement to succeed lamented the youth and theoir callous disregard for all the shit their parents and grandparents struggled through, so they could idolize the souljah boi and ron artest instead of people who did real good for their community, like magic johnson and yes, even barack obama.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

i think we can both agree there are issues with youth in the ghettos all around the country,it is has nothing to do with race, everything to do with the sociological trends that exist, which also have nothing to do with race

you take a 5 dollar question/subject and only leave 2cents . . . .keep letting your prejudiced dictate your inability to recognize the plight of society as the reason and not their skin color

 

[Dr Kynes]

i think we can both agree there are issues with you the ghettos all around the country,it is has nothing to do with race, everything to do with the sociological trends that exist, which also have nothing to do with race

you take a 5 dollar question/subject and only leave 2cents . . . .keep letting your prejudiced dictate your inability to recognize the plight of society as the reason and not their skin color

what you view as prejudice is your prejudice, not mine. the subject at hand is the inability of sociology to advance unless it is shackled to the liberal agenda, and any study or question that defies the leftist dogma (such as why the boack community is circling the drain despite all the best leftist intentions for over 30 years) is declared heresy and the questioner is pummeled with brickbats and accusations of overt racism, crypto-racism, and prejudice for daring to ask WHY.

thats why i brought up my personal hotbutton issue, since several friends and even some members of my family have been discarded form the "black community" fold for not marching in time with the band and singing along with al sharpton and jesse jackson.

the problems in the black community are REAL and i brought them up in this thread because despite the REALITY of these problems, the sociologists and liberal muttonheads who claim to want the best for all people, but ESPECIALLY black people have been pretending that MLK's dream is alive and well, and the black community is on the verge of a renaissance. and then they released Soul Plane.

thats the whole issue. the black community has been under the nurturing and protective gaze of the left for 30 years, but all the problems have been getting worse, the economy in the black community is in shambles (except booming sales of grillz, spinnin rims and whistle tips) and even the 90's when all the rest of america was striding forward, the black community was left behind.

but we dare not ask why, cuz thats racist.

 

[ink the world]

i grew up poor, worked poor, lived poor, made a lot of money in the 80's and 90', and then got pretty damned poor again. i currently work minimum wage part time, and supplement my income with my garden's produce, so yeah, still poor, just too "rich" to qualify for assistance even if i wanted it.

if using a word like "Fripperies" (look it up) makes me a yuppie in an ivory tower, then Joseph Plumm Martin must have been one rich ass yuppie too, except he was a hayseed plowboy just like me, and yuppies didnt even exist in the 1700's. you can read his diary today, and his words make most people you meet seem like unlettered dimwits grunting into their twitterbox. literacy is cheap and easy to get. you can find it free at most public libraries. you might wanna check that out.
Nice back handed insult. I have a college education (you helped pay for it too Kynes, GI Bill) Grow a set of balls and say what you mean. You think im an idiot? Come out and say it, dont be such a pussy.

ALL tattoo parlour patrons are wasting their money on useless adornments, those who legitimately pay for them from their own pocket are fine with me, but if they are living on the dole, then skin ink should be the LAST thing on their minds. if your tattoo parlour was in the slums then your clientele was made up of slum dwellers, or people who were slumming. all the rundown part of town tattoo shops i have ever seen catered to the faux poor, the ghetto fabulous dipshits who live on the dole, but thrive on blackmarketeering, criminal activity, or welfare fraud. mister monopoly doesnt get his ink done in watts.your statement fails the logic test. or do you pretend that north hollywood or san francisco's SOMA district are the Ghetto?



trendy hipsters get their tattoos done in trendy hipster parlours, sailors and verterans get their tattoos from their fellows, bikers get their tats from tattoo shops that cater to bikers, and slum dwelling scum get their skin art in seedy rundown tat-in-a-box tracerey shops from a dickhead who feeds on the "disposable income" of people who tell the welfare office they got no money. do the math. you are either lying, or you are in fact a bottom feeder in the ghetto fabulous cesspool.

LOL nice attempt at describing the trade you obviously know NOTHING about at all. When I started tattooing there was no "trendiness" or anything resembling it. Back in the 80's there was no Miami Ink or any other bullshit "reality" TV show to hype the industry. . There were old school tattoo shops, most of which were centered around military bases. Im a Marine, most of my clientele in the 80's was service people and bikers. I dont consider members of our armed forces to be "bottom dwellers."
also, thinly veiled racism? really? so bill cosby wasnt pilloried for telling the kids to pull their pants up and learn to speak english rather than wasting away in self-imposed isolation? or is the Coz also a crypto-racist?

I couldnt care less what Cosby said, Im not talking with him. Im talking with you about your blanket statements about an entire race.

 

[Dr Kynes]

I couldnt care less what Cosby said, Im not talking with him. Im talking with you about your blanket statements about an entire race.

Point one: it was not a backhanded insult, it was clearly fronthanded.

Point two: military bases are NOT rough parts of town. back in 95 i went with my girlfriend at the time to hold her hand while she got a tattoo, and she did NOT go to a shop in the ghetto. she went to a shop in port hueneme, which is a military town and got her tattoo from a guy who tattooed a lot of sailors and marines. it was NOT in a slum.

had you managed to acheive a modicum of reading proficiency and comprehension you would have noted the phrase "sailors and verterans get their tattoos from their fellows" which is exclusionary of the slum dwelling ghetto fabulous members of the lil wayne school of faux prison tattoos.

if you did tattoos for servicemen in a military community you would have sen very few of the ghetto fabulous persons at question.

or did you specialize in drawing teardrops at the corner of gangbanger's eyes and scribbling memoria morti on their backs to lament their fallen homies?

choose one. they cannot both be correct.

edit: and if i helped pay for your education, i demand a refund. it obviously didnt take.
sorry for the ad hominems, sometimes i cant contain my ebullience.

 

[ink the world]

Point one: it was not a backhanded insult, it was clearly fronthanded.

Point two: military bases are NOT rough parts of town. back in 95 i went with my girlfriend at the time to hold her hand while she got a tattoo, and she did NOT go to a shop in the ghetto. she went to a shop in port hueneme, which is a military town and got her tattoo from a guy who tattooed a lot of sailors and marines. it was NOT in a slum.

had you managed to acheive a modicum of reading proficiency and comprehension you would have noted the phrase "sailors and verterans get their tattoos from their fellows" which is exclusionary of the slum dwelling ghetto fabulous members of the lil wayne school of faux prison tattoos.

if you did tattoos for servicemen in a military community you would have sen very few of the ghetto fabulous persons at question.

or did you specialize in drawing teardrops at the corner of gangbanger's eyes and scribbling memoria morti on their backs to lament their fallen homies?

choose one. they cannot both be correct.

edit: and if i helped pay for your education, i demand a refund. it obviously didnt take.
sorry for the ad hominems, sometimes i cant contain my ebullience.

You can't contain your long winded bullshit filled arrogance either. My education that "didn't take" was enough to make more $ than you do isn't it wise ass?

You know nothing about my background, instead you take a small statement I made and define a 20 year career with it. I've tattooed clients ranging from street bums when I apprenticed to the mayor of the city I lived in.

My specialty was whatever walked in the door at whatever shop I was in at the time. In the urban shops the clientele obviously has more street wise clientele. Shops near military installations had more military customers. I've worked in both areas, in street shops and custom only shops.

Back to the point, I still contend that many of the problems you describe are born of poverty not race.

 

[UncleBuck]

you'll never convince kynes that melanin isn't the leading factor.

he is a self described bircher who opposes multiculturalism. this entire thread is just a handy excuse for him to mouth fart his stereotypes and prejudices and whine and cry about being a poor, persecuted, conservative white male.

didn't you know how hard it is to be a conservative white male in america nowadays? that's what this whole thread is about.

white whine.

 

[Dr Kynes]

You can't contain your long winded bullshit filled arrogance either. My education that "didn't take" was enough to make more $ than you do isn't it wise ass?

You know nothing about my background, instead you take a small statement I made and define a 20 year career with it. I've tattooed clients ranging from street bums when I apprenticed to the mayor of the city I lived in.

My specialty was whatever walked in the door at whatever shop I was in at the time. In the urban shops the clientele obviously has more street wise clientele. Shops near military installations had more military customers. I've worked in both areas, in street shops and custom only shops.

Back to the point, I still contend that many of the problems you describe are born of poverty not race.

well as long as you make more money than me, who am i to question your intellectual prowess. after all, financial success is the measure of a man, and since you are so well off, then clearly the invisible hand of the market has spoken!

oh wait...

you declare you worked in tattoo parlours in bad parts of town then you flip the script and declare that you worked in parlours near military bases so i must be unpatriotic for not supporting our troops!

wow. thats awesome.

the fact remains people who are truely poor do NOT have dough to blow on fancy new ink, and thus your clientele could not be so poor at all could they? or were you part of the tattoo outreach program, dropping free tribal graphics on the indigent population so they can rock a smooth maori design on skid row?

dude, people who sell jewelry cant claim to be servants of the impoverished masses, and tattoos are just the new gold donkey chains and 4-finger rings. tattoo parlours dont have to be on rodeo drive to be a luxury, but anyone who drops cash for their latest trampstamp or awesome yakuza sleeves doesnt have a money problem. of did you do tattoos on layaway?

 

[ink the world]

I'll argue/debate him though. I think hes an intelligent guy, too intelligent for some of his beliefs IMO.
He's no Clayton.