I don't want to die..

Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Padawanbater2 said:
Do you think something other than chemical influence has the ability to alter a persons mind?
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Aside from damage and electricity, I don't think so, but I am open to the idea.

Have you heard the stories of people who suffer head trauma and then suddenly find they have same sex attraction? This would seem to counter the idea that damaged brain = damaged mind. The damage in this case seems to have expanded the mind sexually. However neurologists believe that the damage must have been to the part of the brain which controls inhibition, which is consistent with the brain/mind coin. We are taking away inhibitions rather than expanding sexuality. This is evidenced by instances of the people acting less inhibited in other areas as well.

I apologize for not being able to cite a source, it's a conversation I heard on a podcast.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Heisenberg said:
Aside from damage, I don't think so, but I am open to the idea.

Have you heard the stories of people who suffer head trauma and then suddenly find they have same sex attraction? This would seem to counter the idea that damaged brain = damaged mind. The damage in this case seems to have expanded the mind sexually. However neurologists believe that the damage must have been to the part of the brain which controls inhibition, which is consistent with the brain/mind coin. We are taking away inhibitions rather than expanding sexuality. This is evidenced by instances of the people acting less inhibited in other areas as well.

I apologize for not being able to cite a source, it's a conversation I heard on a podcast.
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I have heard of such incidents, yes. But wouldn't the head trauma they faced seem to be responsible for the change in sexual orientation? Would you consider this an "expansion" rather than some sort of loss in functionality?

I'm not familiar with "the brain/mind coin", could you elaborate?

"taking away inhibitions" in the same sense that something like alcohol takes away inhibitions?
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Padawanbater2 said:
I have heard of such incidents, yes. But wouldn't the head trauma they faced seem to be responsible for the change in sexual orientation? Would you consider this an "expansion" rather than some sort of loss in functionality?

I'm not familiar with "the brain/mind coin", could you elaborate?

"taking away inhibitions" in the same sense that something like alcohol takes away inhibitions?
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The brain and mind seem to be two sides of one coin, like space/time and matter/energy.

This is often brought up as a way to prove that brain and mind do not always correlate. If we damage the brain and manage to expand the mind by doing so, it certainly casts doubt on what we think we know about consciousness. But of course only lay people claim this, neurologists say different. The idea is these people had latent homosexual feelings that were being inhibited for whatever reason, and when the part of the brain was damaged that governs inhibitions, the were free to act on their urges. If I remember, they did not stop liking opposite sex, although since homosexual feelings were 'new' they found it more appealing, more exciting. They were also more outspoken, more daring, dressed flashier, ect.
 
lahadaextranjera

lahadaextranjera

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I think I need some friends from this section!!! Very interesting read guys. I should
meditate but for someone like me, I don't know where that'll take me. I'm already away with the fairies!!!
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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"Consciousness is simply the real time processing of sensory input and internal communication and monitoring. Our experience of reality is demonstrably constructed by the brain. When you alter the underlying brain function, you alter that construction. People can be made to feel as if they do not control their own limbs, or that they have extra limbs, or that sound has a color, that parts of the world do not exist, that their spouse has been replaced by an imposter, or that they are one with the universe. We can do all this by poking around in the brain." -Steven Novella
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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Heisenberg said:
"Consciousness is simply the real time processing of sensory input and internal communication and monitoring. Our experience of reality is demonstrably constructed by the brain. When you alter the underlying brain function, you alter that construction. People can be made to feel as if they do not control their own limbs, or that they have extra limbs, or that sound has a color, that parts of the world do not exist, that their spouse has been replaced by an imposter, or that they are one with the universe. We can do all this by poking around in the brain." -Steven Novella
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Never heard of him, I've got some research to do... time to learn! Thanks Heis.
 
marc88101

marc88101

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I don't believe in god whatsoever, but life is so amazing that death has to be just as grand a journey! There is no way can be bad, I believe it will be just as exciting as life! I don't fear death at all!!!! I just hope they have bud!
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Heisenberg said:
The brain and mind seem to be two sides of one coin, like space/time and matter/energy.

This is often brought up as a way to prove that brain and mind do not always correlate. If we damage the brain and manage to expand the mind by doing so, it certainly casts doubt on what we think we know about consciousness. But of course only lay people claim this, neurologists say different. The idea is these people had latent homosexual feelings that were being inhibited for whatever reason, and when the part of the brain was damaged that governs inhibitions, the were free to act on their urges. If I remember, they did not stop liking opposite sex, although since homosexual feelings were 'new' they found it more appealing, more exciting. They were also more outspoken, more daring, dressed flashier, ect.
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I have a tough time believing that damaging the brain would expand the mind. I would be predisposed to suspecting that the expansion isn't real but a subjective error on the part of the investigator.
Part of the problem is that we're not even sure what the physical component of mind really is. Chemical? Electrical? The new metaphysical whipping-boy, quantum-mechanical? A superimposition of the three? So far, no science of psychometry (although a sort of statistics has stolen the term "psychometrics", and currently "psychometry" refers to a claim by a dead spiritist that there was a way to build a science from a sort of touch-magic) has emerged, basically for want of a good detector of mind-action. cn
 
Systema

Systema

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marc88101 said:
I don't believe in god whatsoever, but life is so amazing that death has to be just as grand a journey! There is no way can be bad, I believe it will be just as exciting as life! I don't fear death at all!!!! I just hope they have bud!
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I was just wondering how death would be yesterday ... and if it is like you think it is.. Well im ready.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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The older you get, the more you see, the more your body begins to fail - the more sense and the more appealing eventual death becomes.
 
MellowFarmer

MellowFarmer

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Zaehet Strife said:
Never heard of him, I've got some research to do... time to learn! Thanks Heis.
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Hey thought I would pass on I just heard on Bertrand Russell and mind control from The Impact of Science on Society I read him a long decade ago but he was into Eugenics was he not? Do you think he helped form our mind control programs or psy ops or psi ops lol like in schools is the most obvious example of a program I am thinking he could of helped mold...




This subject will make great strides when it is taken up
by scientists under a scientific dictatorship. Anaxagoras
maintained that snow is black, but no one believed him.
The social psychologists of the future will have a number of
classes of school children on whom they will try different
methods of producing an unshakable conviction that snow is
black. Various results will soon be arrived at. First, that the
influence of home is obstructive. Second, that not much can
be done unless indoctrination begins before the age of ten.
Third, that verses set to music and repeatedly intoned are
very effective. Fourth, that the opinion that snow is white
must be held to show a morbid taste for eccentricity. But I
anticipate. It is for future scientists to make these maxims
precise and discover exactly how much it costs per head to
make children believe that snow is black, and how much less
it would cost to make them believe it is dark gray.
Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be
rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will
not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated.
When the technique has been perfected, every government
that has been in charge of education for a generation will be
able to control its subjects securely without the need of
armies or policemen. As yet there is only one country which
has succeeded in creating this politician's paradise.
 
MellowFarmer

MellowFarmer

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MellowFarmer said:
It was in the new one I just watched about Tools for the Awakening this dude is like a PHd a Dr so yes I did just watch and yes I still have yet to verify anything he says seriously I Just stopped maybe 5 mins before I posted but there is a lot to be said about believing in yourself and what feels true from your own experiences so just a passin along like I be sitting at the dock on a bay take it or leave it.
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I just am about to sit down and process this I think it is an audiobook that will explain more scientifically.

[video=youtube;BQKTKC3wNHU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQKTKC3wNHU[/video]
 
MellowFarmer

MellowFarmer

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Zaehet Strife said:
What?

No i wasn't aware he was into eugenics. I have read his autobiography and he did have a pretty crazy childhood from what I've read.
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I'm afraid I am too big a fan to be objective but from a quick search it looks like if you take enough of his quotes out of context he could have been in on it but I read them all more as just plain facts he is using to make his conclusions.
 
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