Layoffs coming...

[UncleBuck]

It's not revenge. They just want to keep their profits up....that's what companies do. Obama knew this would happen. Everybody knew this would happen. Why are you all so surprised and pissed?

corporate profits are at an all time high.

shit cock.

 

[Padawanbater2]

$20 back into the company, $30 for me, $10 each for them

 

[Carne Seca]

well I can see you have no corporate experience whatsoever and have no clue as to what a corporation is or the hierarchical structure therein. The CEO is the one making MOST of the big decisions. People like Ingvar Kamprad, Carlos Ghosn, and Sir Richard Branson are just figureheads with nothing to do all day?? You should try living in the real world instead of on a little patch of reservation land occupied by nothing but destitute and marginalized native Americans. You might learn a thing or two.

The only thing a CEO worries about it is the profit margin and how many employees to cut from the work force to keep their HUGE nest egg intact. I don't live on the reservation ND. I live on the border. My dad is white. We have never taken any kind of hand out from the tribe or the U.S. government. We didn't need it.

 

[UncleBuck]

Constrict doesn't mean 'limit'. It means 'squeeze'. You're thinking or 'restrict'.

By raising taxes they are 'constricting' profits.

$0.10 more per pizza so all the employees can have health care?

TYRANNY!



shit cock.

 

[kelly4]

corporate profits are at an all time high.

And they want to keep them that way. I'm not saying these guys deserve what they're being paid.

I'm also not saying they're not...

 

[kelly4]

$0.10 more per pizza so all the employees can have health care?

TYRANNY!



shit cock.

I thought we were talking about medical companies.

Pizzas? Who gives a shit!

 

[Padawanbater2]

I'll try to give you an analogy.. Say it's summer and I owned a lemonade stand and hired two people to work it while I supervised it. It brings in $100 a day, I pay my two workers $15 each, $40 goes to expansion, $30 goes to me. Now it's winter and I'm selling less lemonade, say I take a hit to income at 30%, now I'm making $70 total per day instead of $100. Would it be fair, right, ethical of me to dock my workers pay down to $10 each, continue to take home $30 myself, and put $30 back into the company? They're working the same hours as before, would that be OK?

$20 back into the company, $30 for me, $10 each for them

Does this sound like a fair way to do business for American middle class families?

Does 'fairness' matter to any proponents of this business model?

 

[Winter Woman]

The corporate backlash. They are punishing the serfs for their disobedience.

Brought to you via Freedom Works. The Koch suckers... err.. brothers propaganda machine.

No they are saving money so they can stay open.

 

[UncleBuck]

And they want to keep them that way. I'm not saying these guys deserve what they're being paid.

I'm also not saying they're not...

they can keep them that way AND provide health care for their employees.

to think that this is a mutually exclusive thing is fallacy.

 

[racerboy71]

well I can see you have no corporate experience whatsoever and have no clue as to what a corporation is or the hierarchical structure therein. The CEO is the one making MOST of the big decisions. People like Ingvar Kamprad, Carlos Ghosn, and Sir Richard Branson are just figureheads with nothing to do all day?? You should try living in the real world instead of on a little patch of reservation land occupied by nothing but destitute and marginalized native Americans. You might learn a thing or two.

yeah, some big decisions.. " should i drive the bmw or the mercedes to work today?"

 

[Winter Woman]

Partial list of layoffs

The firms include:

• Welch Allyn — a manufacturer of medical diagnostic equipment in central New York — which says it will cut 275 employees, about 10 percent of its workforce, over the next three years.
• Dana Holding Corp. — a global auto parts manufacturing company — which warned of layoffs due "$24 million over the next six years in additional U.S. healthcare expenses.’’
• Stryker — a medical device manufacturer — which plans to close its facility in Orchard Park, N.Y., eliminating 96 jobs in December. They also say they’ll slash 5 percent of their global workforce, about 1,170 positions.
• Boston Scientific — a medical device manufacturer — said it plans to cut between 1,200 and 1,400 jobs, while shifting investments and workers overseas to China.
• Medtronic — a medical device maker — which cut 500 positions over the summer, with 500 more set to be eliminated by the end of 2013.

Other companies promising job cuts include: Smith & Nephew — 770 layoffs; Abbott Labs — 700 layoffs; Covidien — 595 layoffs; Kinetic Concepts — 427 layoffs; St. Jude Medical — 300 layoffs; and Hill Rom — 200 layoffs.

Among the reasons for the layoffs: increased costs for health insurance and, in the case of medical manufacturing companies, a new medical-device tax.

​

 

[Padawanbater2]

No they are saving money so they can stay open.

This is blatantly not true. Research how much the companies you just listed are already worth ^^^, they are not in jeopardy of bankruptcy.

Further research how much each of those companies CEO's are worth and take home each year. I have a feeling you might be surprised.

 

[kelly4]

Does this sound like a fair way to do business for American middle class families?

Does 'fairness' matter to any proponents of this business model?

Did I put up the capital to get the business started? Am I the one who's going to pay the price financially for being 'fair' to these two workers? If I put up all the money, and I take all the risks......I will do what ever makes sense for me.

If them workers don't think it's fair, they can open their own lemonade stand.

 

[NoDrama]

I'll try to give you an analogy.. Say it's summer and I owned a lemonade stand and hired two people to work it while I supervised it. It brings in $100 a day, I pay my two workers $15 each, $40 goes to expansion, $30 goes to me. Now it's winter and I'm selling less lemonade, say I take a hit to income at 30%, now I'm making $70 total per day instead of $100. Would it be fair, right, ethical of me to dock my workers pay down to $10 each, continue to take home $30 myself, and put $30 back into the company? They're working the same hours as before, would that be OK?

As long as your workers agree to it, whats the big deal? Its totally moral, ethical and totally fair to offer them that choice.

Would you think it was fair if I came to your lemonade stand and took 50% of your workers pay and then took 50% of your profits and then on top of that took 50% more of the profits you took for yourself? You think that would be fair? Oh and if you or your employees don't agree to my little business proposal, I will have my black booted thugs beat you down and throw your ass in a cage until you do. I will take all of your possessions and give them to my friends while you are incarcerated. After you get out I will forever require you to pay your tribute to me, even if you go work in some other country making slave wages. By the way, your the one who will be doing all the paperwork necessary to show that your amount of tribute to me is correct, a error on your part will mean extra tribute to be paid to me as I have a 200,000 accountants checking out your paperwork making sure the correct amount of tribute is given. In exchange I will take from others to build a road and help to take care of you at my minimum expense when you get old.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Did I put up the capital to get the business started? Am I the one who's going to pay the price financially for being 'fair' to these two workers? If I put up all the money, and I take all the risks......I will do what ever makes sense for me.

If them workers don't think it's fair, they can open their own lemonade stand.

No, you likely borrowed money from your dad (the bank) to start your lemonade stand. If by 'price' you mean either reduce your your own profits by 10% or the reinvestment back into the lemonade stand at 10%, then yes, though that's subjective, as employee morale, as evident by multiple scientific studies, is worth -10% to increase productivity. Keep your employees happy, your business has a better chance of growing and you could potentially have 2 or 3 lemonade stands next summer, instead of just the one. 2-3 x $100 = $200-$300 sub the standard $15 x 4-6 employees, you're now walking away with $140-$220 profit, sub $20-$30 back into the business, $120-$190 goes directly into your pocket, 4-6 times more than the previous summer, and all your employees couldn't be happier.

Now which scenario sounds more logical and ethical all around?

You are being obtuse, not everyone has the ability to ask their dad (the bank) for a loan to open their own lemonade stand. Furthermore, if everyone did, it would raise competition, and your ability to make such profits would decrease. This is something we see in the real world, and yet, when mega corporations experience it, they have no problem requesting (demanding) government assistance to quell it.

Government bad when they regulate my profit margin for equal opportunities, government good when other people do.

Do you see the glaring hypocrisy here?

As long as your workers agree to it, whats the big deal? Its totally moral, ethical and totally fair to offer them that choice.

Would you think it was fair if I came to your lemonade stand and took 50% of your workers pay and then took 50% of your profits and then on top of that took 50% more of the profits you took for yourself? You think that would be fair? Oh and if you or your employees don't agree to my little business proposal, I will have my black booted thugs beat you down and throw your ass in a cage until you do. I will take all of your possessions and give them to my friends while you are incarcerated. After you get out I will forever require you to pay your tribute to me, even if you go work in some other country making slave wages. By the way, your the one who will be doing all the paperwork necessary to show that your amount of tribute to me is correct, a error on your part will mean extra tribute to be paid to me as I have a 200,000 accountants checking out your paperwork making sure the correct amount of tribute is given. In exchange I will take from others to build a road and help to take care of you at my minimum expense when you get old.

Imo, in an economy like ours, it no longer becomes a choice, it becomes a requirement. People agree to such things for many reasons, namely they don't understand business, but also because they have to, because they don't have a choice, because there is no other work they can do to survive or provide for themselves. We can talk endlessly about why that is, but to this discussion it's irrelevant.

What's unethical is mega-corporations lobbying our government for less regulation and lower taxes, you and I both know the majority of American politicians are bought, so when the time comes to pony up the dough, it is then unfair to put the cost onto the middle-lower classes, those that have less ability to pay for it (not to mention no obligation to), by lowering regulations and raising taxes on them. The definition of crony capitalism.

50% is hyperbole. A portion of your, your employees and your profits are taxed, not all of it.

 

[canndo]

Prepare for some bad times guys. They are coming fast and hard.http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/nov/8/picket-companies-plan-massive-layoffs-obamacare-be/ Full time jobs are going to be very very difficult to find.

and of course if ROMNEY had won, they would be hiring in droves, right Althor? You guys are always on the wrong side of reality. imagine, companies deciding to let people go just days after this election. Face it, everyone, this time around is going to have to work together, yes, together with Obama if we are going to get things accomplished finally. and if we don't, it will be full on obvious that the Republicans are still pulling their childish stunts. And if that happens, the Repubs are finished as a party.

Couldn't please me more actually.

 

[althor]

and of course if ROMNEY had won, they would be hiring in droves, right Althor? You guys are always on the wrong side of reality. imagine, companies deciding to let people go just days after this election. Face it, everyone, this time around is going to have to work together, yes, together with Obama if we are going to get things accomplished finally. and if we don't, it will be full on obvious that the Republicans are still pulling their childish stunts. And if that happens, the Repubs are finished as a party.

Couldn't please me more actually.

I just would like to see a budget passed. Obama has to work with Republicans as well. He isnt King of the World, just President.
Keep it mind he tried to pass a budget once, voted down 97-0 in a Dem supermajority. Kind of hard to pass the buck on that.

 

[ginwilly]

I'll try to give you an analogy.. Say it's summer and I owned a lemonade stand and hired two people to work it while I supervised it. It brings in $100 a day, I pay my two workers $15 each, $40 goes to expansion, $30 goes to me. Now it's winter and I'm selling less lemonade, say I take a hit to income at 30%, now I'm making $70 total per day instead of $100. Would it be fair, right, ethical of me to dock my workers pay down to $10 each, continue to take home $30 myself, and put $30 back into the company? They're working the same hours as before, would that be OK?

Pad you may think less of me but the obvious solution to me to having almost 1/3 less business is to carry 1/3 less staff, there isn't enough work for everyone anymore. So one of my buddies either have to be laid off, or we all take 1/3 cut in pay (your math is off by 10 bucks), which is fair if we are doing 1/3 less work.

The best companies I've worked for have all shared similar traits. Ethics first, a family atmosphere and profit sharing. Profit sharing should be a model for all successful businesses.

 

[hotrodharley]

The "fiscal cliff" facing us was brought to us by both parties. If it has anything to do related to Obama it's in the laps of the House GOP as a majority with the Senate GOP not far behind. The continued denial of the effects of that "plan" by Karl Rove and Grover Norquist that was carried out by McConnell and Boehner is ludicrous. But, a wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.

 

[Winter Woman]

This is blatantly not true. Research how much the companies you just listed are already worth ^^^, they are not in jeopardy of bankruptcy.

Further research how much each of those companies CEO's are worth and take home each year. I have a feeling you might be surprised.

I should have been slightly more clear I was meaning small to mid-sized companies. The ones where the profits flow straight to their owners Form 1040. You can recognize them by their puckered up ass.