stumpjumper
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Again, I'm a little disappointed all of this slander against Dr. Bob is all based on the accusations of Joe Cain.. I know 100% that Joe Cain is a liar and if anyone was pushing an agenda it was that asshole.
Lansing Court Dismisses Case against HydroWorld Workers
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gladstoned
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What they post in their bylaws means jack fuck to me.
I'm done with these threads for awhile. I was hoping for a nice change of pace after the elections.
I will stick with the growing. I don't believe either side.
It's like democratic or republican anymore. lol. Both full of shit.
I'm done with these threads for awhile. I was hoping for a nice change of pace after the elections.
I will stick with the growing. I don't believe either side.
It's like democratic or republican anymore. lol. Both full of shit.
CashCrops
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Thanks for posting Doc, this again proves my statement more so that police are watching dispensaries and by watch I mean going in to them, watching with surveillance outside including possibly taking down every license plate of every person entering and leaving! Monitoring cell phone convo's the list goes on. "Safe then sorry" doesn't even begin to state how we should be! sucks but thats the way it is
CashCrops
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haha, I wrote a two page essay about the freemasons and how they have been the core of keeping it all illegal for years but not sure if I want to post it here. Your right repub or dem both just puppets of a much larger foe!
bowlfullofbliss
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the first bullet point is fucked up. it does need to ammended, and clarified, eliminating liability for p2p, changing the amount of medicine in possession to something realistic, the amount is a sad misunderstanding of running a grow and having meds between harvest. the whole thing sucks imo.
tomcatjones
Active Member
the law has been pretty plain language and clearly written from the beginning. glad they are learning to read English properly again.
tomcatjones
Active Member
yea but with your hate towards him you are missing the other 100 in the crowd that you need to be watching out for too......
Dr. Bob
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Not pissed off at all, merely concerned for patients. After the 'p2p is legal' fiasco over that Barry Co. Case and the spin put on it by the various financial interests, I am concerned this will result in more patient arrests rather than few. I think I pretty clearly stated the reasons. As for the 4 clerks, bully for them, they dodged a bullet and I'm happy they wont be doing time.
DR. Bob
stumpjumper
Well-Known Member
Ohh no, I watch everyone
I take no sides until proven guilty or theres without a doubt reasonable suspicion. I might find someone suspicious but I wont call them on it until I see it firsthand ya know? I only speak against Joe because I have all the evidince I need to put him in the chair and light him up lol.
tomcatjones
Active Member
at least we know you are a critical thinker, glad we've got some of those here... lolOhh no, I watch everyone
I only speak against Joe because I have all the evidince I need to put him in the chair and light him up lol.
Huel Perkins
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I'm happy with any ruling where no one is punished because of cannabis.
Cory and trevor
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So...Joe Cain; is he the guy that looks like an old quaker or some shit with the jeans and suspenders and goofy glasses, if I remember right he is bald or balding on top and rotund? I saw a guy that seemed to be pretty happy with himself like he was king of the court when I was at the market and sort of assumed a) that was this mythical creature Joe Cain and b) he is way full of himself and pretty self righteous. I get all that from watching a guy in a crowded room for an hour so...yeah read it like that. Jsut want to know if I got the right guy.
Huel Perkins
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Google had lots of results.
Dr. Bob
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Just because someone isn't physically attractive or poor is not reason to disregard their ideas.
My issue with him stems back to his desire to rent tables for caregivers as a farmers market as his source of income. To each his own and I like the idea of farmers markets.
The problem I had was that he was all over the net that they were 'legally compliant' because he had some sort of 'permission' from the local prosecutor. Folks ate this up by the spoonful without questioning it. Dispensaries are not covered in the Act, period, either are farmers markets. They exist strictly at the whim of the local authorities. They can be raided at any time, and those selling, especially large quantities, can be charged with serious crimes. Even if the arguments are successful, and folks don't end up in jail, those arguments are expensive and traumatic to make. We are all adults, we take chances every day, but don't tell people that don't know better there are NO risks when there clearly are.
When I brought this up to him, privately at first, the result was a personal attack against me- I'm a drug addict, an alcoholic, and a criminal. I was banned from the MMMA and couldn't even respond. He kept at it for months. I'd post and he would send people over that forum to attack me. We've seen that here. That is the type of tactic that got him removed from the MMMA. That is why he is considered a buffoon by most of the community (including many here). My issue with him is that he gives bad advice that puts people at risk and viciously attacks anyone that dares to disagree.
I also think his basic understanding of laws, lobbying, and logic are rather deficient. Examples of that basic misunderstanding are his unfocused 'rallies' on the steps of the capital. He is good at getting a crowd, then the outside professionals come in and use the crowd to promote their message- that is how a rally against the recent house bills turned out- no bullet points on what part of each bill was objectionable, no focus. They became NORML rallies for legalization and support groups for dispensaries. A quick review of the news articles and quotes will confirm that, the message of the bills was demoted to general background noise.
These efforts are counter productive. We have to keep in mind that about 4% of the population qualifies for a medical card. Maybe a total of 10% will have a card or a card holder in the family (or a friend). Even if you toss recreational users into the mix, you are dealing with 25-30% of the population of Michigan. That means to get the 63% of the folks that supported the MMMA at the polls, we had to bring more non-users into the fold than we had in our community. ANY cannabis issues will by necessity require the support of those outside of our community and we need to keep that in mind. We need focus. We need a message that they want to relate to. We need an image. Is my 75 year old, non-using mother going to look at a middle aged hippy in tie dye and covered with plastic marijuana leaves screaming into a microphone about 'free the weed you tyrants!' and say 'Hey, that's something I want to be a part of!!!'? After listening to him talk about dispensaries, legalization, etc, is she going to stop by her neighbor's house (her Lansing rep) and say 'I have problems with HB whatever- I don't think the police should be able to access the registry without probable cause and a registry ID number, and I'd appreciate you voting against it?' How are we reaching her?
How are we reaching our reps? With chants of 'who's house, our house', calling them names, making angry phone calls to their interns? How about the email o matic with 5000 copies of the same email demanding they stop their assault on sick people? Or as I suggested, a personal letter to YOUR rep, telling him you trust his judgement to do the right thing for folks like YOU in THEIR district. A personal story of how medical cannabis changed your life for the better, how you have trouble with this or that and hope he can help you with it. Close with a photo of you and your family, so he can put a FACE to medical cannabis in HIS DISTRICT. Make it personal, hope he is so impressed he puts it up on his website, make him want to make your cause his. People go to Lansing for a variety of reasons. Mainly because they want their cause supported, give them a cause to make theirs--- YOURS.
Just a few random thoughts, sorry about the length.
Dr. Bob
My issue with him stems back to his desire to rent tables for caregivers as a farmers market as his source of income. To each his own and I like the idea of farmers markets.
The problem I had was that he was all over the net that they were 'legally compliant' because he had some sort of 'permission' from the local prosecutor. Folks ate this up by the spoonful without questioning it. Dispensaries are not covered in the Act, period, either are farmers markets. They exist strictly at the whim of the local authorities. They can be raided at any time, and those selling, especially large quantities, can be charged with serious crimes. Even if the arguments are successful, and folks don't end up in jail, those arguments are expensive and traumatic to make. We are all adults, we take chances every day, but don't tell people that don't know better there are NO risks when there clearly are.
When I brought this up to him, privately at first, the result was a personal attack against me- I'm a drug addict, an alcoholic, and a criminal. I was banned from the MMMA and couldn't even respond. He kept at it for months. I'd post and he would send people over that forum to attack me. We've seen that here. That is the type of tactic that got him removed from the MMMA. That is why he is considered a buffoon by most of the community (including many here). My issue with him is that he gives bad advice that puts people at risk and viciously attacks anyone that dares to disagree.
I also think his basic understanding of laws, lobbying, and logic are rather deficient. Examples of that basic misunderstanding are his unfocused 'rallies' on the steps of the capital. He is good at getting a crowd, then the outside professionals come in and use the crowd to promote their message- that is how a rally against the recent house bills turned out- no bullet points on what part of each bill was objectionable, no focus. They became NORML rallies for legalization and support groups for dispensaries. A quick review of the news articles and quotes will confirm that, the message of the bills was demoted to general background noise.
These efforts are counter productive. We have to keep in mind that about 4% of the population qualifies for a medical card. Maybe a total of 10% will have a card or a card holder in the family (or a friend). Even if you toss recreational users into the mix, you are dealing with 25-30% of the population of Michigan. That means to get the 63% of the folks that supported the MMMA at the polls, we had to bring more non-users into the fold than we had in our community. ANY cannabis issues will by necessity require the support of those outside of our community and we need to keep that in mind. We need focus. We need a message that they want to relate to. We need an image. Is my 75 year old, non-using mother going to look at a middle aged hippy in tie dye and covered with plastic marijuana leaves screaming into a microphone about 'free the weed you tyrants!' and say 'Hey, that's something I want to be a part of!!!'? After listening to him talk about dispensaries, legalization, etc, is she going to stop by her neighbor's house (her Lansing rep) and say 'I have problems with HB whatever- I don't think the police should be able to access the registry without probable cause and a registry ID number, and I'd appreciate you voting against it?' How are we reaching her?
How are we reaching our reps? With chants of 'who's house, our house', calling them names, making angry phone calls to their interns? How about the email o matic with 5000 copies of the same email demanding they stop their assault on sick people? Or as I suggested, a personal letter to YOUR rep, telling him you trust his judgement to do the right thing for folks like YOU in THEIR district. A personal story of how medical cannabis changed your life for the better, how you have trouble with this or that and hope he can help you with it. Close with a photo of you and your family, so he can put a FACE to medical cannabis in HIS DISTRICT. Make it personal, hope he is so impressed he puts it up on his website, make him want to make your cause his. People go to Lansing for a variety of reasons. Mainly because they want their cause supported, give them a cause to make theirs--- YOURS.
Just a few random thoughts, sorry about the length.
Dr. Bob
abe supercro
Well-Known Member
Yeah, at least One member here will make exceptions with a contrary view to that... Any guesses who?
Dr. Bob
Well-Known Member
Yeah, who. I'm happy as a clam they dodged the bullet. My concern is that others will extrapolate the ruling for their own ends and get in trouble, or get others in trouble. You disagree with that? You do realize the ruling is limited to that case, right? That it doesn't affect any other court, or even the other 4 judges in THAT court. You did read the 19 page decision, right?
Care to discuss why the cert paperwork was accepted? Or the significant 'whatever reason' took in the case? Some real meat in that decision that deserves discussion. Why don't you review it and start it off?
Dr. Bob
abe supercro
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eloquent and non-intrusive, ha.
sure that deer tried to dodge that bullet too.
how happy is it? quiet as a clam.
sure that deer tried to dodge that bullet too.
how happy is it? quiet as a clam.
Dr. Bob
Well-Known Member
Yes he did, but I got him. He didn't suffer and I have venison. Mission accomplished. And my daughter has a memory of being with her dad in the woods on a successful hunt that will last the rest of her life.
Now if you have an objection to the idea of the stamps, why they shouldn't be implemented, by all means say what it is, I am sure you will make valid points. But what does me shooting a deer have to do with a tax stamp that could clear the way for farmer's markets and take risk from patients?
Dr. Bob
Now if you have an objection to the idea of the stamps, why they shouldn't be implemented, by all means say what it is, I am sure you will make valid points. But what does me shooting a deer have to do with a tax stamp that could clear the way for farmer's markets and take risk from patients?
Dr. Bob
abe supercro
Well-Known Member
extrapolate.
the tax stamp idea ain't so bad.
it's the design of the stamps esthetically that may need retooling,
seen them.
the tax stamp idea ain't so bad.
it's the design of the stamps esthetically that may need retooling,
seen them.
Dr. Bob
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I think that using some artwork celebrating home industry or self reliance might be nice. When I first heard of the caregiver system I thought of disabled people growing for patients and earning enough to cover their rent or mortgage, and the relief it would give their families. Maybe a graphical representation of that sense of relief would be cool.
Dr. Bob
Dr. Bob