Advanced Nutrients LIE on their labels...

[Clown Baby]

imagine how stupid it was to tell him it has to be an led. thats why the confusion smart ass. wrong info is better??.its all im seeing here and lies from both grower and nute makers
someone dont know what quantity is then to say that commercial guys dont grow for weight. everyone avoids the fact nobody has same dam strains and are all shooting their mouths sounding like fools.
thats what you get when not growing the best strains..and you just said your after quality and quantity??..you contradict your self dood...you dont know what quality is then or means also i see. you use advanced cause your new and razzle dazzled bu hype and marketing like others have. if you knew what tyoe of illegal shit they were involved in and more about nutes you wonuldnt support a co that is involved in gangs and murder. then the lies they spout about how they seem to have a unique periodic table nobody knows about to make the potassium any better than others..or any ellement.

where did i say put 15k in a room bubba. cant real to well i see. maybe if i put a flashy label on my posts youll see it better. doesnt matter if its a 2 watt cfrl grow to a 200k room. advanced wont make it one bit better, if it sux then its the grower or room isnt set right..usualy both.
funny dont feel like a tool..us older guys sure think your spouting off like a punk tool with that punk mouth though...typical..24 snot nosed kid thinks hes the man....lololol..hillarious kid..
stop your bullshiting kid your as bad as the nutes you use...hu...birds of a feather flock together comes true once again, got cought lying now try and make others look bad...clown

What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

 

[patrickkawi37]

Try growing 120 day landrace sativas and if you have the skills needed to grow those types of plants, you'll quickly realize how boring and weak high-yielding indica doms really are.

thats like 3 runs a year. 63 day max and they get the chop in my room.. advanced is expensive, i know this. thats why people that are growing for fun should step back and buy the ghetto shit like homie above is talking about. im here to get the highest yield possible but still grow decent nugs. nothing about my nug looks "commercial". i have 4600 watts going i dont even know how you would consider that commercial unless you grow with cfls. my electric bill is 1400dollars a month, if i get anything less than 10 ps im wasting my time. this is why i dont grow OG or anything that doesnt yield more than 1.75 a light. plus i know that im a noob grower and dont have the talent to pull off a bomb touchy strain. i live in california where if it isnt og people dont give a fuck. other than pride there is no reason to grow a strain that doesnt yield. if you dont agree with that then we have different motives of growing.. and this is why you shouldn't be using advanced. hopefully that clears some shit up.

 

[The Yorkshireman]

i got 2.9 pounds per thousand watt lamp my second time using advanced. 4th run ever growing weed. your telling me that a rookie can do the same thing with different nutes? nutes definitely have something to do with it.

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[patlpp]

thought you guys knew ellements and forms??..keep saying how were wrong then you should know this.
urea is the cheespst lowset quality of nitro we can buy. its salty and doesnt remove from roots well at all, doing tat causes it to block other foods from absorbin to the root tissues and membranes. its junk. plants like nitrates not ureas....miricle grow type people use urea. it does have the highest avail nitro of them al but if a plant cant eat it well then it doesnt mean more gets in the plant. but does mean it can cause alot of burns and other issues.
why advanced uses it is cause they like conning people again. charge he money but use inferiour ellement sources. more room for mark up. profit margins. thats why hydro ntes arent in main stream stores....profit margins...but urea based cheep shit is available there

Anybody else have any input as to why Urea is considered "bad" yet AN uses it ? Please, comprehensible reasoning please for a change.......

 

[Clown Baby]

It's been a few years since biochem, but here are a couple of things I can remember...
Only reason I can think that people would call urea bad is because it has to go through nitrification before it's plant-available. Whereas when adding straight nitrates you're already getting the N in available form. The chain goes something like this:

Urea gets hydrolyzed into ammonia and CO2. Then it's time for nitrification, which is carried out by nitrosomas and nitrobacter in two steps: First, Ammonia is oxidized into Nitrite (NO2-). Then the nitrite is oxidized to nitrate (NO3-), the plant-available form that we all know and love.

So really it's just that urea has the longest journey down the chain before it's finally converted into nitrate. For all of you soil people, it really shouldn't make a difference. You should have plenty of microflora present in the soil to carry out the nitrification process.
It really only becomes an issue for hydro people who are running a sterile res (IMO all hydro should have a sterile res but let's not go there...). If you're running a sterile res then you do not have the bacteria to carry out these processes, and therefore your plants are not going to be getting the nitrogen that they need.

So to answer why AN might use it: AN sells bottles of live cultures. Tarantula, pihrana, and probably a couple of other ones. They want you to use these bottles regardless of your medium. So they are supplying you with the bacteria necessary to make these conversions. IMO if you take care of your soil, these bacteria are all naturally occurring and therefore the products aren't necessary. But again, not opening that can of worms...

fun facts:
Ammonium sulfate and nitrate nitrogen have acidifying effects on soil, while urea and DAP have an alkaline effect (raise pH)

 

[homebrewer]

Anybody else have any input as to why Urea is considered "bad" yet AN uses it ? Please, comprehensible reasoning please for a change.......

A balanced amount of urea is fine for 'dirt growing' but should not be included in hydroponic formulas given the nitrate and ammoniacal options.

http://scienceinhydroponics.com/2010/05/urea-in-hydroponics-positive-or-negative.html

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/hydro/msg0314501616255.html

Miracle Gro receives ALL of it's nitrogen from ammonia and urea. Both forms of nitrogen require bacteria in the soil to break it down into a form that is usable for plants. There is no soil in hydroponics and therefor all the nitrogen in Miracle Gro is wasted.

Here is an article about urea hydrolosis occurring after 7 days in a hydro system. If you change your res every week, the urea in your formula just got fed to the sewer.

http://psasir.upm.edu.my/3189/1/Urea_as_the_Nitrogen_Source_in_NIT_Hydroponic_System.pdf

 

[PurpleKushSmoka]

So Im wondering what is the best nutrient line to use in a hydroponic setup? I have heard so many mixed reviews on here and there are so many to choose from that I have no idea which one to pick. Also this is off topic of the thread but has anybody ever used the Multi Flow hydroponic system from Greentrees? I appreciate any advice and thanks in advance for whatever information u guys have to share with me.

 

[sensisensai]

A balanced amount of urea is fine for 'dirt growing' but should not be included in hydroponic formulas given the nitrate and ammoniacal options.

http://scienceinhydroponics.com/2010/05/urea-in-hydroponics-positive-or-negative.html

http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/hydro/msg0314501616255.html



Here is an article about urea hydrolosis occurring after 7 days in a hydro system. If you change your res every week, the urea in your formula just got FED TO THE SEWER.

http://psasir.upm.edu.my/3189/1/Urea_as_the_Nitrogen_Source_in_NIT_Hydroponic_System.pdf

That's the last place anyone using chemical ferts should dump their Res.

 

[Cannabisworks]

and you been arguing since the start of this to..look in the mirror bubba. your the one playing the troll game now, your the same as the others and cry when someone wont just agree with you..i couldnt give a crusty shit what you think you have for a landrace, just stating a fact. take it or not but n need to cry over it. makes you a hypocrite to bitch these guys out but cry when someone wont agree with you. dont loose any sleep over it hey

 

[Cannabisworks]

What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

cant help it if your slow to catch on

 

[Cannabisworks]

hillarious nute info...lolol, its not tghat urea itself is bad...its that plant dont preffer that form. they preffer nitrates. when they dont like it then it can build and case burns as weve all seen with miricle grow guys. it blocks other lesser ellements from absorbtion and hard to flush out as it sticks to roots more than others. advanced used it only in some stuff. and is for profit...same as anyone goes cheep in quality greed.
and i dont care if you believe that info either. makes no diff to my garden. all this info is on google. cant believe so many wont use it

 

[Cannabisworks]

So Im wondering what is the best nutrient line to use in a hydroponic setup? I have heard so many mixed reviews on here and there are so many to choose from that I have no idea which one to pick. Also this is off topic of the thread but has anybody ever used the Multi Flow hydroponic system from Greentrees? I appreciate any advice and thanks in advance for whatever information u guys have to share with me.

bud there is no best nute. there is only a small handfull of people that take the stuff from the ground and make it to a nutrient/salt/. they all shop through these same corps. it isnt any diff. and any secret bullshit that isnt on a label cant be proven is why it cant be listed by law for most cases. just look for clean plant friendly sources as i have shown about urea. plants also dont like bicarbonates. like the tap form of calcium..blocks other foods from entering roots and raises your ph.
botanicare uses that stuff.
right now ive been running cheep 3 bottle gh set and done just as well as any other. cheepst ive used yet to be honest and same results so far

 

[beuffer420]

So to the insanely awesome grower who yields epic proportions of his plants in this thread!

Are u happy with the product u create? If so why worry about what others think. Let your work talk for u Brutha!

I run AN got a lot of flack when I changed. So instead of trying to make people like it by my word of mouth, I didn't tell people what I was using for nutes just let them try it for themselves. Some would ask what nutes you run? I would say does it matter the nutes or how the product works. So after good feedback I finally let it b known it was A N. Once people found it wasn't that big of a deal because the product quality was there.

As far as what the crew of advanced does on there own time that's not my problems to worry about. I'm sure people support a lot worse things indirectly with out knowing as well.

To conclude, if your happy with your results and your product don't worry about what your buddy runs. Do you! I see this no different from a debate on ford vs chevy. Different strokes for different folks.

PS: I yield 10 lbs off 150 watt hps with only the dog droppings in my back yard! Hows that for nutes lmfao

 

[patlpp]

PS: I yield 10 lbs off 150 watt hps with only the dog droppings in my back yard! Hows that for nutes lmfao

U da man!! ...................

 

[beuffer420]

Thanks I feed my dogs relentlessly

 

[patlpp]

@cannabisworks: If english is your second language then I commend you bra.

I fail to see how a plant knows that it's nitrogen source comes from urea. Please explain more.

 

[sensisensai]

Thanks I feed my dogs relentlessly

Maybe it was the gravity hit but Im laughing my ass off right now. The image is epic

 

[beuffer420]

Yea figured I'd try to put some humor into it. Seemed like were getting a little too serious for a minute

 

[Cannabisworks]

typical responces from kids, im so good, im better, you suck..real old kids..nothing to do with grow fact just personal insults..typical when you over your head on info.. and then the arrorgant idiot comments on how they yield..

dood instead of asking the same thing over and over go learn more on ellements, compounds and plant needs. then come back and try, why the hype over organic is better then if source dont mean anything...wow. you want somnething to pass through a root easy with little effort or something that is harder to pass through and needs more of it to work right thus causin other ellements to not be allowed to absorb properly. you do know when you have to much of one thing at the roots it blocks others from entering and then get a deff plant with burns from lack of food supply?. it knows forms same as it knows phos from nitro or any other ellement.

they use it cause it has the highest available nitro to the plant. nitrates are lesser but they dont need to be so hi when a plant can eat it easier...would be like 2 steak on a plate, one got dumped with salt to the extreme..other wasnt. what would you have a harder time choking down. works the same for a plant

 

[patrickkawi37]

he must be from the south. im not an english teacher by any means, but i cant breeze through his posts cause they look like they're in another language. you can have your botanist shit, my buddy is 36 years old and swears he knows everything there is to know about plants. well he gets a p and a quarter a light and im sure this guy does the same. fucking know it all. the reason you hate on advanced is cause you cant afford it. so keep blabbin like you know everything, i aint gona believe shit you say until i see a pic of your garden.


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