It is Obamas Fault the price of gasoline

[ginwilly]

I have said my piece on carbon credits - I made enough money off of them and now I don't care if they get shunted aside. I don't know how well CCX is operating now. A terrible health care law was not the result of misrepresentation on the left gin, but on the right. Had they acknowleged that there was a problem and that it was fixable, we might have had a much better one.

I think carbon credits was originally a republican idea too. I wasn't going partisan on that comment. But since you brought it up, the misrepresentation from the left concerning the health care bill was that it was cost neutral, that it would insure everyone, that it would bring down health care costs, that it didn't rape medicare, that taxes weren't going up on middle class, that's it's not a payoff to big pharma or insurance, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Agree with the bold though, the republicans didn't admit there was a problem until they had to. I think I'm glad they didn't tackle this during Bushney terms though, it might have been even worse, look at the bills passed during that time. Once Obama took office, it was pretty clear it didn't matter at that point what republicans did, the sausage making would not have changed ingredients. 2010 was the reaction to all of those etcs.

 

[canndo]

I think carbon credits was originally a republican idea too. I wasn't going partisan on that comment. But since you brought it up, the misrepresentation from the left concerning the health care bill was that it was cost neutral, that it would insure everyone, that it would bring down health care costs, that it didn't rape medicare, that taxes weren't going up on middle class, that's it's not a payoff to big pharma or insurance, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Agree with the bold though, the republicans didn't admit there was a problem until they had to. I think I'm glad they didn't tackle this during Bushney terms though, it might have been even worse, look at the bills passed during that time. Once Obama took office, it was pretty clear it didn't matter at that point what republicans did, the sausage making would not have changed ingredients. 2010 was the reaction to all of those etcs.

We don't know how much it will cost. We don't know how many people will remain uninsured. What we do know is that there were never any death panels, that grandma won't be persuaded to kill herself, that there will not be any more rationing than currently - all republican spoiler lies.

 

[ginwilly]

We don't know how much it will cost. We don't know how many people will remain uninsured. What we do know is that there were never any death panels, that grandma won't be persuaded to kill herself, that there will not be any more rationing than currently - all republican spoiler lies.

Patisan canndo is so easy. We may not know, but the dems sure made claims like they did.

Oh, and
[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco[/video]

dont get sick, and if you do, die quickly.


there will be much much more rationing in the future for government health care. With or without Obamacare this was coming.

 

[canndo]

Patisan canndo is so easy. We may not know, but the dems sure made claims like they did.

Oh, and
[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco[/video]

dont get sick, and if you do, die quickly.


there will be much much more rationing in the future for government health care. With or without Obamacare this was coming.

Then let us get real personal here. I am a single step from being uninsurable under current law, and I will be insurable under Obama care. In some respects I am willing to give up things for the good of my country but I am not willing to give up a law that directly benifits my wellbeing just because it may "cost too much" and it may be an unsatisfactory law over all. To my mind it is a far better law than it's absence. I have at least two friends who are in the same situation or worse.

 

[ginwilly]

Then let us get real personal here. I am a single step from being uninsurable under current law, and I will be insurable under Obama care. In some respects I am willing to give up things for the good of my country but I am not willing to give up a law that directly benifits my wellbeing just because it may "cost too much" and it may be an unsatisfactory law over all. To my mind it is a far better law than it's absence. I have at least two friends who are in the same situation or worse.

I hate that for ya man and trust me when I say you are not alone. I wish we could do both, get rid of the bad bill and replace it with a real solution that's better for everyone. This bill is better for about 5% of the country while punishing the rest, but the only way to truly see what would have worked best would have been to employ the use of the 50 labs we have known as states. That ship sailed when it was more important to the central planners to leave their mark than do what's best for us.

Insurance companies, Hospital corporations and big pharma used the hatred of Bushney and the gullibility, dishonesty and arrogance of the Democratic Party to absolutely rape us. All while dems were telling us how good it felt.

 

[canndo]

I hate that for ya man and trust me when I say you are not alone. I wish we could do both, get rid of the bad bill and replace it with a real solution that's better for everyone. This bill is better for about 5% of the country while punishing the rest, but the only way to truly see what would have worked best would have been to employ the use of the 50 labs we have known as states. That ship sailed when it was more important to the central planners to leave their mark than do what's best for us.

Insurance companies, Hospital corporations and big pharma used the hatred of Bushney and the gullibility, dishonesty and arrogance of the Democratic Party to absolutely rape us. All while dems were telling us how good it felt.

Let that read I will be INSURABLE under Obama care. We are not talking about a small percentage of people - we are talking about millions who take high blood pressure meds or other common meds to treat common problems. Many are preventative measures that will most likely prolong the life of the taker but the insurance company sees that as a perfectly good reason to "red line" health insurance policy holders. If insurance companies had their way they would only insure healthy young people and would be forced to pay out only in accidental situations. This is not how risk pools work when it is in the best interest of the country but only when it is in the best interest of stock holders. In reality, there should be no such thing as private health insurance but neither left nor right would ever presume they could win that battle. I will, as I said, take this bad law over no law. Any sick child's parents will do the same. Republicans do not care, they have demonstrated that over and over again - all the while claiming that they do. Dems may not care either but at least some of their actions illustrate that they may.

 

[Grandpapy]

Then let us get real personal here. I am a single step from being uninsurable under current law, and I will be insurable under Obama care. In some respects I am willing to give up things for the good of my country but I am not willing to give up a law that directly benifits my wellbeing just because it may "cost too much" and it may be an unsatisfactory law over all. To my mind it is a far better law than it's absence. I have at least two friends who are in the same situation or worse.

Make it three.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

What about the provision in Obama Death Care which doesn't allow ERs to collect compensation if a person visits twice in a month. Current law allows anyone care into ERs in emergency situations and if a patient can't pay, the government reimberses the hospital. What makes you think if a hospital gets no pay, they'll not figure out illegal ways to turn multiple visitors away for any reason, even if doing so means death? Currently none do cause the hospital gets paid no matter what.

 

[ginwilly]

Let that read I will be INSURABLE under Obama care. We are not talking about a small percentage of people - we are talking about millions who take high blood pressure meds or other common meds to treat common problems. Many are preventative measures that will most likely prolong the life of the taker but the insurance company sees that as a perfectly good reason to "red line" health insurance policy holders. If insurance companies had their way they would only insure healthy young people and would be forced to pay out only in accidental situations. This is not how risk pools work when it is in the best interest of the country but only when it is in the best interest of stock holders. In reality, there should be no such thing as private health insurance but neither left nor right would ever presume they could win that battle. I will, as I said, take this bad law over no law. Any sick child's parents will do the same. Republicans do not care, they have demonstrated that over and over again - all the while claiming that they do. Dems may not care either but at least some of their actions illustrate that they may.

We agree on eliminating insurance. I would love to see us pay directly for care, this would drastically bring down costs. See Lasic and boob jobs. Catastrophic insurance makes sense, we will still need this. Of course insurance would rather have healthy young people, wouldn't you?

medicare/caid are the biggest denier of coverage for pre-existing conditions and its not even close. They use the word maintenance though. If you treat a condition with no cure, the government has a very large say in what they'll pay for. I recommend researching what our CP kids on Medicaid deal with. IF they are allowed care, the gov decides what care, from whom they can receive, where they can receive and for how long. CVAs have the same stipulations from Medicare. Also, if you ever have spare time, take a gander at Meaningful Use. You might change your mind about government health care. More money, resources and time is spent on complying with regulations than actual patient care.

i don't have the answers as to your situation, I wish I did. I know profitable hospitals are salivating over the increased revenues they are going to see. We are finding new costs every day. Simply covering you at the expense of our health care system shouldn't be good enough. We can do better, we should do better, but sadly we didn't do anything and got what we deserved for that lack of foresight.


I hear Medicare ans SSI might have issues down the road, lets take care of that before its insolvent.

 

[NoDrama]

He would like us to believe that it is higher than it was in the Bush years. - which it currently happens to be. It is so high in fact that our primary export is gasoline.

Oil production and gasoline export are totally different things.

 

[canndo]

Oil production and gasoline export are totally different things.

Why yes, they are different, however, both are up since 2008. Beyond that, if our production is down, it can't very well be a primary export, now can it, that is unless we are producing significantly less of every other thing we currently export.

 

[NoDrama]

Why yes, they are different, however, both are up since 2008. Beyond that, if our production is down, it can't very well be a primary export, now can it, that is unless we are producing significantly less of every other thing we currently export.

Oil is one of our largest imports, we import the oil, turn it into gasoline, then export the gasoline.

We could produce NO OIL WHATSOEVER and still export gasoline.

Sorry to bust your bubble.

 

[Hemlock]

it was 2 bucks a gallon when he took office...idk

fed said today next 3 years high unemployment and 45billon a month in QE..

 

[NoDrama]

it was 2 bucks a gallon when he took office...idk

fed said today next 3 years high unemployment and 45billon a month in QE..

not $45 Billion a month, $45 billion on top of the already $45 billion they already print up. So its $90 billion a month.

 

[Hemlock]

not $45 Billion a month, $45 billion on top of the already $45 billion they already print up. So its $90 billion a month.

LOL shit I missed the first one. Glad to see you are on the Job ND!!!!!!!!!

 

[UncleBuck]

it was 2 bucks a gallon when he took office...idk

maybe if we crash the global economy again we can get back to $2 gas

 

[NoDrama]

LOL shit I missed the first one. Glad to see you are on the Job ND!!!!!!!!!

The Federal Reserve is my specialty, they have made me a lot of money.

 

[NoDrama]

maybe if we crash the global economy again we can get back to $2 gas

Or maybe we can get gas back to under $1 a gallon and have a rip roaring economy like we did for 50 years?

 

[blacksun]

So, in other words, the price of gas doesn't always go down during the winter months.

Only in extreme cases.

In general though, it does.

Nice try streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching to try to make warlord obama look good.

Didn't work though. :'(

 

[Grandpapy]

There were 5 tankers in the SF bay waiting to unload day before yesterday, today the price is .10 lower, probably more in the valley. I haven't seen $3.49 in while.