guns don't protect people, people with guns protect people.
unless you want to admit that guns kill people.
Outlawing guns is pointless and only hurts law abiding citizens
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unless you want to admit that guns kill people.
ginjawarrior
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its alright thats just a side effectguns don't protect people, people with guns protect people.
unless you want to admit that guns kill people.
ginjawarrior
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when guns were first made for use in warfare i'm pretty sure the "not firing a shot" bit wasnt part of the deal
olylifter420
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Many of us who own guns do not buy them thinking, "oh im buying this to knock my neighbor off and this one for that school that was mean to me" . I buy mine thinking how it will protect my family and my homestead or if the caliber is big enough to kill big game with and fast enough without having to shoot the animal twice.
If someone breaks into my home and I feel that they are a threat to me or my family, I have the right to PROTECT my family and myself with deadly force. Did we intend to kill a thief, no cause We have no control over the decisions they make. Did the thief intend to break into my house and rob us, yes, solely by the act of breaking in, he/she has put a material price on their life.
just look at the major gun owners like ted nugent who owns hundreds of guns and hundreds of them are full auto. How many mass shootings has he been involved in?
If someone breaks into my home and I feel that they are a threat to me or my family, I have the right to PROTECT my family and myself with deadly force. Did we intend to kill a thief, no cause We have no control over the decisions they make. Did the thief intend to break into my house and rob us, yes, solely by the act of breaking in, he/she has put a material price on their life.
just look at the major gun owners like ted nugent who owns hundreds of guns and hundreds of them are full auto. How many mass shootings has he been involved in?
ginjawarrior
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lol ahh now i see.. side effect
olylifter420
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Greetings
My point is that even in places where crime is around the corner nobody thinks getting a gun will protect them effectively.
It is interesting, however, that in the US the chance of getting shot at upon trespassing is high, hence gun owning proves it became effective at deterring assailants. But this indicates that the "protection" so many feel is based on fear(both sides inclusive) and I think that might be one of the social issues we talked about.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I hope you don't mind my probing into the word "effectively" because it contains a value judgment. What degree of deterrence or defense is needed to grant the stamp of effectiveness? cn
well i was gonna get into the so called effectiveness, but i was talking about a general feeling; nobody thinks getting a gun will protect them effectively.
As to whether it does or not protect you effectively... it probably does. But that relates back to the issue of why it is effective (proves it became effective at deterring assailants) which in my opinion is regarded to fear more than anything.
To be honest, I honestly think the US is a lot safer that you and most people around this forum portray it to be. Either I "overrate" the safeness or most of you haven't had a chance to know how other people live around the world. Of course there are "complicated" places everywhere, but uncomparable to other countries. If i am in fact overrating then we as a world are fuuuuuudged.
Does anybody think that learning a martial art is a better way to protect yourself than guns?
Wavels
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When it comes to protection, the law protects us from law abiding people, not the lawless or criminally negligent or insane. It will punish wrongdoers but as for protection, I'll take a 12 gauge pump and a colt 45 automatic. I would rather be alive, well and armed than "protected" by my government. Gun control is people control. When it comes to protecting myself, my family and the confines of my home and within, I will not go as a sheep to slaughter or settle for being just another crime statistic. I respect one's choice to do differently. It is their right. Do not take away my right to own the semi-automatic weapon of my choice and to legally have it upon my person. That's not gun control. It is making me a walking target.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Guns do operate on fear; it's built in. They present a credible threat. I cannot separate their effectiveness from that fear.
As for martial arts, No. Why skew the "right" to self-defense toward the young and able-bodied? I am neither.
Guns also have the excellent other property: you don't need to allow your assailant within kicking/stabbing range.
As for the relative safety of the US vs. many other countries, no dissent there. However "better" still isn't "good", or even "good enough". All jmo. And I do fear that we are fuuudged as a society. I see decadence, and no sufficient corrective force. I anticipate a major collapse or time of difficulties that'll make my Internet lotus-eating a wistfully-remembered luxury ... and I don't expect to survive such a collapse. cn
Well great, give UB and the others some ammo to call you a Foil hat wearer. Don't you know that government can always prevent a collapse as long as we pay them enough taxes?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Gadolinium mesh, baby. They've hacked foil.
cnGood idea, impromptu Faraday cage so your iPhone doesn't go offline when the EMP attack happens.Gadolinium mesh, baby. They've hacked foil.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I'd be a pathetic tinfoiler if I had an iPhone. cn
touche' oh bear