1 Plant 6 strains (GRAFTING) - 6 fold plant increase, staying in your plant llimit

TheRainman

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Just a suggestion but maybe try to graft one at a time to reduce potential stress.


edit : dOH! I see somebody already suggested this. Good luck.
Rob Roy-

Agreed, thank you. I took a clone last night and placed it on another root stock (Only one as suggested) and also performed a different cut...this one looks like it never left its Mother...just healthy and upright! :hump:
 

TheRainman

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First let me say WOW great project! Question for you....are you cutting your piece to be grafted on a branch node spot? I would think that your cutting would be more apt to take to the graft spot. Just a thought, keep us posted.
Hey Maine!

If that's truly you in the pic...brother that rocks!

Yes, I took a "heel" cut (where I take a gradual scoop under the node, off the main branch, a half-moon shape cut) then perform the same cut on the root stock, at a branch node (the root stock cutting is kept for cloning) these two cuts should now match, and I would then place the cutting in position at the branch node.

Lastnight, I decided to take another Mother, and instead of performing this at a branch node, I had clipped a thick, upright branch clean off at a large node (leaving the thickest part on the plant (if I had a circle, I would cut at the center, leaving the middle exposed...the thickest part)).

-I then sliced downward from the top-center, down about 3/8"
-Took the cutting I had, performed a "V" shape cut at the base, exposing both sides
-A little special sauce
-Opened up the cut I performed on the root stock, slid the "V" shaped cut on my cutting, into the now "V" shaped cavity in the root stock
-Wrapped the connection with Teflon tape
-Placed a ziploc over the scion (cutting on root stock)

...and it looks great! :joint:
 

VTMi'kmaq

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How can anyone who loves this plant not be enamered and entranced by this thread everything ive read and seen has me coming back everyday! Thankyou op truly sweet!
 

TheRainman

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How can anyone who loves this plant not be enamered and entranced by this thread everything ive read and seen has me coming back everyday! Thankyou op truly sweet!
That's so DAMN poetic! One hell of a comment..Double "like" that followed up with a choking Super Lemon Haze bong hit bongsmilie <--- that's serious!
 

curious2garden

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I hate to say it but what hes doing makes perfect sence. Although you right in regards to the fact that mj is an annual, by controling the light conditions to constant 18/6 or greater, one can keep an annual alive for many years. This is some basic shit. Ive seen it done on you tube with urban grower. They had some mixed results. I think its a great idea and ive been considering it for some time. Good luck man, i hope all goes well and ill be following for some great pics. All i can suggest is to stay sterile and keep up the good work in the name of science.
Yup I grew up where we were able to over winter tomatos and have them for multiple years. So I understand you can artificially prolong an annual but in the end it was a lot of trouble for limited returns.

LOVE these types of questions/statements. These are the variables that I get to work with and there will be many more, but if I thoroughly observe and document to the Nth degree, I should have a good understanding of the process, the effects of the strains, the growth rate, etc.
Yup and I applaud you for trying. Just because it doesn't make sense to me doesn't mean you aren't doing something worthwhile to you. I plan to follow you and wish you quite well on this.

It makes a fair bit of sense for mom maintenance in states where plant counts are low IMO.
If the stress wouldn't end up creating hermaphrodites, less healthy plants that are more easily prone to insects and disease. So I'm watching and hoping for the best for the OP. I would LOVE to see this turn out well.
 

Ninjabowler

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Yup I grew up where we were able to over winter tomatos and have them for multiple years. So I understand you can artificially prolong an annual but in the end it was a lot of trouble for limited returns.



Yup and I applaud you for trying. Just because it doesn't make sense to me doesn't mean you aren't doing something worthwhile to you. I plan to follow you and wish you quite well on this.



If the stress wouldn't end up creating hermaphrodites, less healthy plants that are more easily prone to insects and disease. So I'm watching and hoping for the best for the OP. I would LOVE to see this turn out well.
The plan is not to give the plant even an inclination that its changing seasons through the use of a controled indoor " invironment". If there is no stress from changing light conditions, pests, rotting roots, and temperature change then there shouldnt be any potential for lessening yields to a point. After all the plant will never give fruit in theory, im sure she will eventually be turned to 12/12 and by all rights, it would be tragic for her to never get the chance to try and reproduce. Ive heard tails of mothers being kept alive for over ten years. Maybe just tails but on the flipside of the arguement, i was watching a cloneing video filmed in a clone production facility supplying growers in the netherlands i belive on youtube. This facility was BIG time and i recall one of the employees being interviewed that worked directly cutting mothers up for clones on a daily basis. His relevant comment was that they get rid of the mother after 12 months of noble donations to future generations through propagtion. I would think theyre playing it safe because of their easy access to new plants and bet that you would probably be fine going a year and a half. It would probably be figured out the fastest by getting intouch with a dispensery in california and asking them. How long were you planning on the lifespan of Frankenbeast being Rainman? Or have you thought that far ahead while laying in bed at night dreaming of a grotesque queen stitched together and hell bent on world domination?
 

Ninjabowler

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I elect you curious to garden, to make the phone call to the dispensary and find out lol. Your in socal lol.:peace:
 

Cann

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I've seen it done before - pumped to see how yours turns out.

I've always wanted to try my hand at grafting a cannabis/humulus (hops) mutant just because of my obsession with homebrewing....maybe one day I will have enough free time to give it a go

keep us posted on the progress - any pics???
 

TheRainman

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I've seen it done before - pumped to see how yours turns out.

I've always wanted to try my hand at grafting a cannabis/humulus (hops) mutant just because of my obsession with homebrewing....maybe one day I will have enough free time to give it a go

keep us posted on the progress - any pics???
Should have some good pics up in the next hour or so. I have my fingers crossed that the Romulan has stabled. For the other 3 that were on the BB rootstock, they have been laid to rest. I've found three ways how NOT to do it :bigjoint:

Cann, I here ya on the time issue, I have so MANY ideas, it hurts not to put them to work!
 

Ninjabowler

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Should have some good pics up in the next hour or so. I have my fingers crossed that the Romulan has stabled. For the other 3 that were on the BB rootstock, they have been laid to rest. I've found three ways how NOT to do it :bigjoint:

Cann, I here ya on the time issue, I have so MANY ideas, it hurts not to put them to work!
Got any idea on how long this will last because im 100% confident in this working out. Urban growers friend used clothespins as fastening devices opposed to teflon.
 

TheRainman

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The plan is not to give the plant even an inclination that its changing seasons through the use of a controled indoor " invironment". If there is no stress from changing light conditions, pests, rotting roots, and temperature change then there shouldnt be any potential for lessening yields to a point. After all the plant will never give fruit in theory, im sure she will eventually be turned to 12/12 and by all rights, it would be tragic for her to never get the chance to try and reproduce. Ive heard tails of mothers being kept alive for over ten years. Maybe just tails but on the flipside of the arguement, i was watching a cloneing video filmed in a clone production facility supplying growers in the netherlands i belive on youtube. This facility was BIG time and i recall one of the employees being interviewed that worked directly cutting mothers up for clones on a daily basis. His relevant comment was that they get rid of the mother after 12 months of noble donations to future generations through propagtion. I would think theyre playing it safe because of their easy access to new plants and bet that you would probably be fine going a year and a half. It would probably be figured out the fastest by getting intouch with a dispensery in california and asking them. How long were you planning on the lifespan of Frankenbeast being Rainman? Or have you thought that far ahead while laying in bed at night dreaming of a grotesque queen stitched together and hell bent on world domination?
Hey Ninja-

I'll go 'till death! I would love to see an established plant with several strains on it and thriving. If I can dial in the process, then I can create these at will...similar to popping a clone into the media. My goal would to be have all my ladies have their original self of about 50%, and the remainder a variety of other strains.

These ladies would all be vegging and supplying me with a variety of medicine. If I have 4 strains per plant + the original in tact (5 total), I would have 60 strains (12 plants x 5 strains). Now that may sound greedy to some, but for me, it's in the excitement to do something a bit different, but gaining a tremendous amount of knowledge and medicine in the process.

Once I establish the system on one plant, I will continue with the others, adding only the elite, picking and choosing, slowly adding to my treasure chest. It's not who dies with the most money that wins, but he who dies with the biggest variety :eyesmoke:
 

TheRainman

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Got any idea on how long this will last because im 100% confident in this working out. Urban growers friend used clothespins as fastening devices opposed to teflon.
Hey Ninja!

That could be key! Clothespin vs. Teflon. With a clothes pin, it would allow air to circulate and probably help seal the exterior, exposed wound. With the Teflon, I may be encapsulating it to the point of preventing air from doing its job..."if" this is truly the case. On my way to visit my Ladies!
 

Ninjabowler

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Hey Ninja!

That could be key! Clothespin vs. Teflon. With a clothes pin, it would allow air to circulate and probably help seal the exterior, exposed wound. With the Teflon, I may be encapsulating it to the point of preventing air from doing its job..."if" this is truly the case. On my way to visit my Ladies!
Ah yes grasshopper, thats exactly word for word what i was thinking. They also probly needa drying period every day to hasten hardening.
 

dbkick

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Hey Ninja!

That could be key! Clothespin vs. Teflon. With a clothes pin, it would allow air to circulate and probably help seal the exterior, exposed wound. With the Teflon, I may be encapsulating it to the point of preventing air from doing its job..."if" this is truly the case. On my way to visit my Ladies!
I don't know if this would be helpful or not but when I have a break in a branch I tie it up and then to seal it more I smear cloning gel on it.
 

Ninjabowler

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Since youve been so generous with ya bong hits....this gods gift is for you....ffffffff...ssss...* hakity hack* oh man, i have so much stuff to do, i really needed that, cheers.
 
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