4 Firemen shot 2 killed

BRabiej

BRabiej

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The NRA is designated as a 501(c)(3) and a 501(c)(4) organization, which allows it to operate both as a charity and to participate in political campaigns and lobbying Donations made to the 501(c)(4) are neither tax deductible nor subject to IRS disclosure.

I bet there primary motive is money you know that cash is going in some guys pocket with 5 million donating members you would think they could do more in the country for gun safety etc.
 
NLXSK1

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I am sure if we had a gun ban that the career criminal that did this would have been a model citizen instead of a dirtbag...
 
fb360

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Shit is horrible.

I'm about 20 miles (Greece, Rochester, NY) from where the shooting occurred (Webster, Rochester, NY) currently, and everyone around here is pretty upset about this, especially the timing.

Rochester is not a nice place though. I lived there for 16 years of my life and a day didn't go by without people killing each other. Some of the worst is when the crackheads shoot people for their coat because we happen to get pounded by snow and cold temps.
 
NLXSK1

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doublejj said:
It should have included all assault weapons, not just new purchases.
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So you advocate the confiscation of what are now considered legal weapons?

Considering the significant cost of these weapons do you think the government should compensate the individuals or just kick in their doors and take them by force?
 
doublejj

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Do you think when alcohol was prohibited, they exempted existing booze?...........Not!
I had a "Tracy Lords" video tape the day she admitted she was under 18. It became child-porn immedietly!
 
NLXSK1

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doublejj said:
Do you think when alcohol was prohibited, they exempted existing booze?...........Not!
I had a "Tracy Lords" video tape the day she admitted she was under 18. It became child-porn immedietly!
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Do you think when alcohol was prohibited they went door to door to make sure nobody had any left?
 
cannabineer

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doublejj said:
I agree with you, but until we get a handle on it, we should error on the side of caution, and not sell them assault weapons.
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Can you show me a (real, not that accursed journalists' lie) assault weapon for sale anywhere?
Of course not.
Assault weapons have a select-fire provision. Ask any military professional. cn
 
BRabiej

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Why does a citizen need access to a fully automatic or even semi automatic assault rifle with armor piercing bullets or hollow tips.. These assault rifles are pure tools of war.

I am all about being able to defend myself but I don't think I will be needing an assault rifle with armor piercing rounds anytime soon.. Unless a terrorist group tries to invade my suburban neighborhood then I might be eating my words but I'm pretty sure the military and police would be on top of that.
 
doublejj

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Do you know just how easy it is to turn one of your "non-assault" assault weapons in an "assault weapon"?.......I do!...Very damn little!......It's really hard to turn on a double barrel shotgun. If it looks like an assault weapon, I can guarantee ypu can turn it on very quickly. Why do we need these? Who are you defending yourself from?.............2000rpm?..........Let's keep our sporting arms, and get rid of assault weapons.
 
cannabineer

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BRabiej said:
Why does a citizen need access to a fully automatic or even semi automatic assault rifle with armor piercing bullets or hollow tips.. These assault rifles are pure tools of war.

I am all about being able to defend myself but I don't think I will be needing an assault rifle with armor piercing rounds anytime soon.. Unless a terrorist group tries to invade my suburban neighborhood then I might be eating my words but I'm pretty sure the military and police would be on top of that.
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There is no such thing as a "semi-automatic assault rifle". Please resist the propaganda of those whose first step is demonizing the gun in the eyes of the ordinary citizen. Look up gun laws and the reasons for them.

And you've put your finger on something vital. The 2nd Amendment guarantees our right to access to just such tools of war. therein lies its essential value: to keep Gov't no more powerful in real terms than the populace.

Be very wary of public-safety arguments for gun mitigation. The most fearsome terrorist organization is central gov't gone fully corrupt. cn
 
fb360

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cannabineer said:
And you've put your finger on something vital. The 2nd Amendment guarantees our right to access to just such tools of war. therein lies its essential value: to keep Gov't no more powerful in real terms than the populace.
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I agree, but we have already lost that battle. Even the infamous "mini gun" which is not mini by any standards, is childs play compared to hellfire missiles, icbm, tanks, apaches, f22s etc etc.

So the question remains, where do we draw the line.
 
BRabiej

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doublejj said:
Do you know just how easy it is to turn one of your "non-assault" assault weapons in an "assault weapon"?.......I do!...Very damn little!......It's really hard to turn on a double barrel shotgun. If it looks like an assault weapon, I can guarantee ypu can turn it on very quickly. Why do we need these? Who are you defending yourself from?.............2000rpm?..........Let's keep our sporting arms, and get rid of assault weapons.
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Ok.. So maybe your right there is no such thing as a semi automatic assault rifle.. but lets stop picking the pepper out of the fly shit here.. I live in California we have things called home invasions that happen all the time and that's what I am protecting myself and my family from.. Now that I think of it what a stupid thing to say "what are you protecting yourself from" What world do you live in bro.

And as for the right to carry arms and protect myself I'm all about it but like I said what business does a citizen have with an assault rifle with hollow or armor piercing rounds?
 
cannabineer

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fb360 said:
I agree, but we have already lost that battle. Even the infamous "mini gun" which is not mini by any standards, is childs play compared to hellfire missiles, icbm, tanks, apaches, f22s etc etc.

So the question remains, where do we draw the line.
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Let's pretend for a moment that the armed parts of government are at war with non-gov't forces ... essentially all-out insurrection. While I cannot imagine it'll come to this, i cannot guarantee that it won't.

It will devolve to house-to-house. The big weapons you mention will no longer be of use. The battle will shift from physical to moral when uniformed soldiers are massacring people in rowhouses, and still taking casualties. In that scenario, those citizens still willing to face probable death for their values will have both a physical and moral effect that even the best-controlled media cannot contain. cn
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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BRabiej said:
Ok.. So maybe your right there is no such thing as a semi automatic assault rifle.. but lets stop picking the pepper out of the fly shit here.. I live in California we have things called home invasions that happen all the time and that's what I am protecting myself and my family from.. Now that I think of it what a stupid thing to say "what are you protecting yourself from" What world do you live in bro.

And as for the right to carry arms and protect myself I'm all about it but like I said what business does a citizen have with an assault rifle with hollow or armor piercing rounds?
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First off, are you ignoring my plea to read up on assault weapons?
Second off, what is inherently immoral about hollow points and armor-piercing rounds?
cn
 
BRabiej

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cannabineer said:
First off, are you ignoring my plea to read up on assault weapons?
Second off, what is inherently immoral about hollow points and armor-piercing rounds?
cn
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I didn't ignore actually I went and read up on assault rifles and learned your right most of them have semi and full auto modes so yes they are not semi only.

And whats immoral about hollow and armor rounds?? They don't belong in the hands of non military or police. I think if a citizen is to use a gun to stop or neutralize a threat the point is to take the person down and wait for the police. Or that deer that gets shot by a hunter it does not require an armor piercing round or hollow tip.

And lets be honest we know what hollow points do and are meant to do. Do you want this in the wrong hands?

All I'm saying is people don't need assault rifles and bullets designed for war.. I don't know how this ended up directed at me in the first place.
 
cannabineer

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st0wandgrow said:
Heh! That may be their stated motive.
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That works both ways. The "stated motive" of the less-guns-now! crowd is "public safety" even as they ignore the statistics from Britain and Australia.
But their "unstated" motive might just have to do with the carte blanche that goes to government after removing all those pesky guns. cn
 
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