Severe drooping, curling, and browning of leaves. Underwatered? Please help

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collision666

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TheFuture said:
Hehe, I like to see people this excited when the plants are so small. Makes me remember those days. Yeah, there were lots of posts since my last one, but when your cups didnt have holes to allow excess water to drain adequately, the air content of the lower portion of the cup was completely used up by the roots. The droop, again, is caused by excess moisture in the leaf itself, but the root tips may have died sitting in anoxic water, causing browning of root tips and yellowing of leaves. Allow the cups to dry to the point they feel like a Red Solo Cup with 2oz of water (physically do this so you have the exact weight) before watering another time.
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I am pretty sure that is what the problem is. I don't know if the bottom two inches of the solo cup ever dried out since I transplanted into them about two weeks ago. I do see a few roots through the holes in the bottom of the solo cups and they are a nice white color. I like the 2oz water in a solo cup to get the idea of the dry cup weight. It helps to put into perspective the dry weight. I am guessing my cups weighed close to twice that when I was watering.
 
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jackmac

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collision666 said:
Update:
When I checked the plants this morning I noticed there is positivley new growth on both plants! Also, the growth that is about a week old is starting perk right back up. There seems to have been a growth spurt in the secondary growth at the base of the the dying leaf stems on the widow. However, the older growth is pretty much the same as it was two days ago, except much more brown on the widow before.

I know that the browned widow leaves are not going to come back but are the green leaves, like mostly on the skunk, going to recover in time or has the damage already been done and they are just dying slower than the widow? The skunk was a slightly larger plant than the widow so it probably had a bigger root system than the widow and didn't quite get overwatered as much. The solo cups are definitley lighter than the last two times I watered and still feel like they have a little ways to go. I am planning on waiting for slight droop in the perky new growth to let me know when to water again.

Pic 1 is skunk, pic 2 is widow

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Hi. Thanks for updating. You're on the path, my friend.

As far as leaves go, just leave them to do their thing. Damaged or discoloured fan leaves won't ever get back to being pristine, but they'll probably perk up and do a job. If a leaf gets to looking like it's really had it, then give it a very gentle tug - if it comes off, it was gonna drop in a day or two anyway. Don't pull at it, if it doesn't come off easily it's still connected to the system.

When you do water again, just a little dose, yeah. Imagine you're offering a man who's just been waterboarded his first drink of water since....

Keep up the good work! Onwards!

Cheers
 
mountainboy

mountainboy

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jackmac said:
^^^

Aye to that. Funny, because there's another overwatering thread (it's still on the board and has 9 bloody pages) where I tried to encourage the op to do just that - so he could learn the difference between a pot without any water and a pot with a drowning plant in it. I told him it would do no harm, but I got someone jumping down my throat (because he thought it was ph issue or lockout), wailing about not stressing plants at all etc etc and this guy claims he's forgotten more than I'll ever know! blah di blah - when you and I both know that your description above is absolutely right.
That's the trouble with a site like this in a way. Who can you trust to give you the right info? That guy on the other thread was telling the op to water his plant till run-off and measure the ph (water a drowning plant?!), go spend 100 bucks on a ph/ec meter he didn't need, and he told the op that any leaf that had a bit of damage might as well be taken off because once it was damaged 'it doesn't recover so it doesn't matter'. So the op gets two totally opposing pieces of advice and gets confused. There seems to be a fair number of people here who always want to make the problem a little bit more 'exotic' than what it is. More often than not it's somethign basic and mundane, watering or the wrong growing media to begin with - couple that with someone who never grew any plant in their life and that's what happens, basic stuff....These plants are tough, virulent, fecund and fast. Get the basics right and you'll be fine; these plants are not orchids. A good growing medium, lighting, ventilation and temp, watering and that's it; get these in the right range and you succeed. Some posters giving advice shouldn't be jumping into threads shouting 'looks like a ph lock-out issue to me', and shit like that, because you need to look at the basics first -

Anyway, that's my rant for the day! lol! Thanks for posting the above TF - nice to know there are others who know

Cheers!
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Guess who it is jacmac? Yes sometimes problems are simply fixed. But sometimes it's self proclaimed horticultural experts like yourself. Who don't understand that some symptoms exhibited by plants are very similar and mimic other problems. I would expect an expert like yourself would understand that a soil flush is sometimes needed. In the last case in which a high EC in the soil creates reverse osmosis. I'll let you explain back to me how and why one might confuse the two, Have you ever dealt with an RO problem b4 or had to fix one. I would like to hear it explained by a professional. Please enlighten all of us with your wisdom.
 
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jackmac

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mountainboy said:
Guess who it is jacmac? Yes sometimes problems are simply fixed. But sometimes it's self proclaimed horticultural experts like yourself. Who don't understand that some symptoms exhibited by plants are very similar and mimic other problems. I would expect an expert like yourself would understand that a soil flush is sometimes needed. In the last case in which a high EC in the soil creates reverse osmosis. I'll let you explain back to me how and why one might confuse the two, Have you ever dealt with an RO problem b4 or had to fix one. I would like to hear it explained by a professional. Please enlighten all of us with your wisdom.
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All sounds a bit complicated to me.

ps I don't need to guess - yer name's on the post!
 
mountainboy

mountainboy

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Thats what I figured...NO CLUE!


A word to the wise to the thread op. I would not put to much faith in jac. That new growth your seeing has nothing to do with any advise he has given you,but more to do with the fact that unless your growing in battery acid,your plants going to exhibit new growth.As far as the suggestion of Jac to feed with 1/8 nute solution next time you water.I would not fallow that advise either. A plant that size, in that container,with a good quality potting mix wont need to be feed at all.When she is big enough,it will start to show as the larger fan leaves will begin to get lighter.Thats when you want to feed it. That light green/yellow new growth your seeing,isn't a def. its what new growth looks like.That plant is plenty green!
I also wouldnt trust anyone who says you dont need to know Ph or EC,PPM, when growing,and buying test equipment for such things is a waste of money. Thats just foolishness and inexperience talking.
 
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Bublonichronic

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mountainboy said:
Guess who it is jacmac? Yes sometimes problems are simply fixed. But sometimes it's self proclaimed horticultural experts like yourself. Who don't understand that some symptoms exhibited by plants are very similar and mimic other problems. I would expect an expert like yourself would understand that a soil flush is sometimes needed. In the last case in which a high EC in the soil creates reverse osmosis. I'll let you explain back to me how and why one might confuse the two, Have you ever dealt with an RO problem b4 or had to fix one. I would like to hear it explained by a professional. Please enlighten all of us with your wisdom.
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this guy "jacmac" is the biggest troll ever, notice he and the op have less than 100 post, both accounts started in nov 2012, HE IS BOTH, guy is a total head case!
 
mountainboy

mountainboy

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Thanks 4 the heads up man! Guys knows shit and was really pissing me off...lol, not a good grower, but damn hes a good troll. Really got under my skin....lol
 
Relaxed

Relaxed

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Yep, I see your in the same boat as I. Jac, tried to throw me under the bus recently. I thank his help to others but telling directly not to listen to what I said which was correct is wrong in a lot of ways.... I am guessing he is about 19 and has grown a couple bag weed seeds in the window giving suggestions to all...lol. Ive not lashed out at anyone yet or been directly told caps.....oh, I ve said enough. Good luck this grow should be fine from here. Always ask yourself less is more...and I wouldnt give nuts. to a struggling plant. This grow will add at least several weeks or more because of the stress you wont see in your experiences going forward. Giving back what I learned from rollitup!
 
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jackmac

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Chebus said:
iv noticed this guy trolling aswell
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You obviously wouldn't know a troll if it fucked you up the arse. A bunch of paranoid idiots have hi-jacked a perfectly happy thread! Where's the moderator? Can't you moderate some of these twats out of here?
 
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collision666

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mountainboy said:
A word to the wise to the thread op. I would not put to much faith in jac. That new growth your seeing has nothing to do with any advise he has given you,but more to do with the fact that unless your growing in battery acid,your plants going to exhibit new growth.As far as the suggestion of Jac to feed with 1/8 nute solution next time you water.I would not fallow that advise either. A plant that size, in that container,with a good quality potting mix wont need to be feed at all.When she is big enough,it will start to show as the larger fan leaves will begin to get lighter.Thats when you want to feed it. That light green/yellow new growth your seeing,isn't a def. its what new growth looks like.That plant is plenty green!
I also wouldnt trust anyone who says you dont need to know Ph or EC,PPM, when growing,and buying test equipment for such things is a waste of money. Thats just foolishness and inexperience talking.
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I am not the same person as jackmac. I agreed with him because he gave me some advice and my plants responded positively.

This is my first grow and only really know what I have read. I have not been fully letting my pots dry out between waterings. From what I have read, it seems like I have been overwatering. So the first solution to my problems is to water less. I was wondering if using nutes would help the plants recover quicker. It doesn't seem like a good idea to feed them until they are larger.

Does anyone else have any suggestions for what else it could be besides overwatering? I am open to all suggestions but haven't really heard anything besides overwatering...
 
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jackmac

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collision666 said:
I am not the same person as jackmac. I agreed with him because he gave me some advice and my plants responded positively.

This is my first grow and only really know what I have read. I have not been fully letting my pots dry out between waterings. From what I have read, it seems like I have been overwatering. So the first solution to my problems is to water less. I was wondering if using nutes would help the plants recover quicker. It doesn't seem like a good idea to feed them until they are larger.

Does anyone else have any suggestions for what else it could be besides overwatering? I am open to all suggestions but haven't really heard anything besides overwatering...
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Good luck mate. I'm not getting into this ego stuff. Keep this thread for reference - read it again, I just did. Look at how I 'trolled' you right from my first post.
 
mountainboy

mountainboy

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collision666 said:
I am not the same person as jackmac. I agreed with him because he gave me some advice and my plants responded positively.

This is my first grow and only really know what I have read. I have not been fully letting my pots dry out between waterings. From what I have read, it seems like I have been overwatering. So the first solution to my problems is to water less. I was wondering if using nutes would help the plants recover quicker. It doesn't seem like a good idea to feed them until they are larger.

Does anyone else have any suggestions for what else it could be besides overwatering? I am open to all suggestions but haven't really heard anything besides overwatering...
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No thanks. You hooked me once already, I'm not biting on that hook again.
 
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collision666

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mountainboy said:
No thanks. You hooked me once already, I'm not biting on that hook again.
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I'm just looking for advise, not all the drama. Do you feel that it is overwatering or another issue? I feel that watering less has helped my plants. If it's possibly another issue, I'm interested to know. I'm just trying to make my grow successful
 
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collision666

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Update: Plants were drooping this morning, but in a different way than three days ago. They were both drooping at the stem, including the tops of the plants. The cups were very light and the soil was dry 1.5-2 inches down. I just watered each plant with 4oz of ph ~6.3 and got a very little bit of runoff from each plant, less than a tablespoon. I am going to check them again in a few hours and hope they are perked back up.

The bottom drooping leaves on both plants are very crisp. I touched one and it cracked a little bit, but not all the way. I lightly tried to see if it would fall off if pulled but it was very much still attached. The widow leaves are very brown/yellow but the skunk are still green, but equally crispy. The widow seems to have focused most of its growth to secondary growth around the stems of the leaves that are dying, not so much at the top of the plant. The skunk wasn't as affected by the monsoon I gave them and is showing new growth at the top.

My plants were overwatered before. They look different now that they are underwatered. I could also have other problems but at least one of the reasons they were severly drooping a few days ago was because they were overwatered.

Pic 1 is widow and pic 2 is skunk before being watered

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jackmac

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collision666 said:
Update: Plants were drooping this morning, but in a different way than three days ago. They were both drooping at the stem, including the tops of the plants. The cups were very light and the soil was dry 1.5-2 inches down. I just watered each plant with 4oz of ph ~6.3 and got a very little bit of runoff from each plant, less than a tablespoon. I am going to check them again in a few hours and hope they are perked back up.

The bottom drooping leaves on both plants are very crisp. I touched one and it cracked a little bit, but not all the way. I lightly tried to see if it would fall off if pulled but it was very much still attached. The widow leaves are very brown/yellow but the skunk are still green, but equally crispy. The widow seems to have focused most of its growth to secondary growth around the stems of the leaves that are dying, not so much at the top of the plant. The skunk wasn't as affected by the monsoon I gave them and is showing new growth at the top.

My plants were overwatered before. They look different now that they are underwatered. I could also have other problems but at least one of the reasons they were severly drooping a few days ago was because they were overwatered.

Pic 1 is skunk and pic 2 is widow before being watered

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Hi. Little ones like yours will perk in a half hour or less after being dried out like that. I thought the widow was on the left, that was hit harder, no?
See if your pots feel like they did before - when they were waterlogged - bottom heavy....if so then all that watering before has possibly compacted the bottom bit of growing medium - but let's see. It's the first time I noticed it, but those pots are a funny shape - are they much wider at the top than the bottom?
Re: leaves - like I said before, if they're still attached to the system, they're trying to help it. Some of the stored energy is being used by the rest of the plant to fight off its issues - the scars on the leaves are battle scars. Look forward to a perky update.

Cheers
 
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