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[BRabiej]

I reject your argument on it's face. I/you/the MSM/Obama/everyone isn't talking about fully automatic AR-15's being banned, they already are for the most part. Go into 50 local gun shops and ask to see their fully automatic weapons section. There ain't one. Spin all you want, but this ENTIRE national debate is over SEMI-AUTOMATIC "tactical looking" rifles.

Furthermore, you make the classic mistake in thinking a fully automatic weapon is MORE dangerous than a semi-automatic weapon. If I was a motivated killer, given a limited amount of time, a set number of rounds and a goal of killing the largest number of people, I would choose a semi-automatic without hesitation.

I don't know if you missed half the conversation or maybe you just came in at the end, But yeah I/We Know. And I'll say it again semi automatic "assault style" rifles are one kit and magazine away from being fully automatic with 100 rounds and that is why I say I support the ban of Assault style rifle's that can be altered to be fully automatic with a high capacity magazine.

And what about fully auto does not make it more lethal?? Id like to hear.

 

[Mindmelted]

i don't know if you missed half the conversation or maybe you just came in at the end, but yeah i/we know. And i'll say it again semi automatic "assault style" rifles are one kit and magazine away from being fully automatic with 100 rounds and that is why i say i support the ban of assault style rifle's that can be altered to be fully automatic with a high capacity magazine.

And what about fully auto does not make it more lethal?? Id like to hear.

most semi's can be converted with some work.

Hell a ruger 10/22 can be converted to a full auto.

 

[BRabiej]

That is a dumb idea, I am not sure why you advocate it.

Sarcasm buddy I know its the internet and its hard to tell I'll mark it next time.

 

[BRabiej]

Why would they need Bullet Resistant body armor in a "Gun Free" zone?

Who?

Someone who was planning on doing a shooting? Why wouldn't they want these types of armor they know there are chances of getting shot back at.

The police?? I'm sure they would want armor vs a shooter.. I would.

Civilians? Well they wont have any and I never said they would..

So who is they?

 

[BRabiej]

More people die in a DUI crash each year than die from being shot.

• "Right, but those are mostly personal choices that affect only the users other than dui related crashes."
  
  I excluded dui's.. But you are right.. and thats why I think why the hell is alcohol legal and weeds not! but then again this is completely off subject.
  
  
  
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[BRabiej]

most semi's can be converted with some work.

Hell a ruger 10/22 can be converted to a full auto.

On that note you could just make your own gun its not impossible.

Still does not change anything. Assault style rifles are still very easily converted and then they are just a weapon designed for war.

 

[BRabiej]

like all of them dude...

This 22 has 100 magazines and fires just as fast

Larger caliber then average ar15, 300$ rifle:

Let me get this straight.. Your trying to say semi auto fires just as fast as fully auto? and will get off as many rounds in the same amount of time as fully auto?

Those all cannot be bought here in Cali except for the top one without alterations. And it should be like that everywhere. What do you need an extended clip for? Maybe your just to lazy to reload when you missed that deer 10 times? or maybe you just want to lay havoc on those glass bottles and old tv sets your shooting at?

 

[NoDrama]

I don't know if you missed half the conversation or maybe you just came in at the end, But yeah I/We Know. And I'll say it again semi automatic "assault style" rifles are one kit and magazine away from being fully automatic with 100 rounds and that is why I say I support the ban of Assault style rifle's that can be altered to be fully automatic with a high capacity magazine.

And what about fully auto does not make it more lethal?? Id like to hear.

CAn you show me a kit where I can make my Assault type weapons fully auto please?

FYI Full Auto is less lethal because they are a bitch to aim accurately when jumping around. Its called spray and pray. Which means you spray the area with bullets and pray one of them hits the enemy. It doesn't always work and you don't always hit what you intended. Semi auto shots where each one is aimed is much more deadly.

 

[NoDrama]

Let me get this straight.. Your trying to say semi auto fires just as fast as fully auto? and will get off as many rounds in the same amount of time as fully auto?

Those all cannot be bought here in Cali except for the top one without alterations. And it should be like that everywhere. What do you need an extended clip for? Maybe your just to lazy to reload when you missed that deer 10 times? or maybe you just want to lay havoc on those glass bottles and old tv sets your shooting at?

People need extended MAGAZINES ( Only those who don't know what they are talking about call them clips) so they can shoot more bullets without having to reload. Why else do you think they have them? That is the ONLY reason. Otherwise they just make the gun heavier with more shit sticking out of them.

 

[BRabiej]

CAn you show me a kit where I can make my Assault type weapons fully auto please?

You wont find this in stores.. But that does not mean its not easily obtainable.

 

[BRabiej]

People need extended MAGAZINES ( Only those who don't know what they are talking about call them clips) so they can shoot more bullets without having to reload. Why else do you think they have them? That is the ONLY reason. Otherwise they just make the gun heavier with more shit sticking out of them.

Really!?!

And what kind of situation would reload time be very critical after you just used an entire clip?

 

[NoDrama]

You wont find this in stores.. But that does not mean its not easily obtainable.

so if it cannot be purchased anywhere, how do I easily go about getting a kit? You said it was EASY to do.

 

[NoDrama]

Really!?!

And what kind of situation would reload time be very critical after you just used an entire clip?

Depends on the clip, was it an M1 Garand enbloc clip, or was it more like a clipboard clip? Pen Clip? Perhaps it was a clip with a scissor?

seriously though, what kind of situation would require me to need another MAGAZINE? Is that what you are asking? Why do I need a reason other than convenience?

 

[BRabiej]

Depends on the clip, was it an M1 Garand enbloc clip, or was it more like a clipboard clip? Pen Clip? Perhaps it was a clip with a scissor?

seriously though, what kind of situation would require me to need another MAGAZINE? Is that what you are asking? Why do I need a reason other than convenience?

Do you not understand what I am trying to say or are you just trying to pick apart my post? you've got nothing.

Still waiting for a good reason why assault style rifles should be sold haven't heard one.

 

[BRabiej]

so if it cannot be purchased anywhere, how do I easily go about getting a kit? You said it was EASY to do.

There are catalogs or you can talk to people at gun shows/events, there is a standard google search but that requires some work and a brain, or just get on the good side of that guy working at the gun shop.. he knows he might not say he does but then again he might not know you.

Or I guess you could ask the large amount of people on youtube with converted semi autos. then again why am I telling you this your smart you could have figured this stuff out..

I mean were talking about small parts here that don't require an engineering degree to make in a shop and they sell for a lot are you saying they don't exist or what?

 

[NoDrama]

There are catalogs or you can talk to people at gun shows/events, there is a standard google search but that requires some work and a brain, or just get on the good side of that guy working at the gun shop.. he knows he might not say he does but then again he might not know you.

Or I guess you could ask the large amount of people on youtube with converted semi autos. then again why am I telling you this your smart you could have figured this stuff out..

I mean were talking about small parts here that don't require an engineering degree to make in a shop and they sell for a lot are you saying they don't exist or what?

You said it was EASY!!!! My definition of EASY is buy it and drop it in. Apparently your version of "EASY" is fabricate it yourself after having learned the methods to do it first from lots of different people, then you need to become real good friends with a gun guy, apparently all gun sellers have loads of theses kits just waiting for the right person to ask for one.

Only an idiot is illegally modifying his semi auto to full auto and showing it on Youtube. Most of the people you see shooting full auto have a legal full auto weapon and pay the tax for it and have it registered and everything. LEgal. Other people are either bump firing or have a legal device attached to their firearm. I doubt many people would be stupid enough to commit a federal felony and put it on video for all to see.

What you think is "easy" isn't. Just because it exists doesn not make it common and easy to do. The space shuttle exists, but I doubt you would call it easy to make.

 

[NoDrama]

The only easily converted firearm from semi to full are open bolt semi automatics like the MAC 10. But the ATF put the kibosh on them back in 81, so now they are closed bolt and require parts be machined.

 

[SirGreenThumb]

Do you not understand what I am trying to say or are you just trying to pick apart my post? you've got nothing.

Still waiting for a good reason why assault style rifles should be sold haven't heard one.

Because this is the land of the free and it's our constitutional right. Maybe because people like to go out on their land and shoot without having to reload every 3-5 shots. Maybe because they are accurate. Maybe because there is a market for them. Maybe ex military like shooting them because that is the kind of rifle their accustomed to. And that is just a few of many. There now you can stop asking the same question over and over.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Do you not understand what I am trying to say or are you just trying to pick apart my post? you've got nothing.

Still waiting for a good reason why assault style rifles should be sold haven't heard one.

Since you're the one looking for a change to the status quo, I'm waiting to hear one good reason why we shouldn't sell semi-automatic rifles that merely RESEMBLE real assault rifles. Your logic, if one can call it that, might as well be applied to dishwashers. If someone made a "tactical" dishwasher with a pistol grip, rail system and flash supressor, would you want to ban it even though it was no more dangerous than a regular dishwasher?

By the way, DIAS (drop in auto sear) kits are almost IMPOSSIBLE to find on the market, require the same permits as full auto weapons and last I checked, sell between $8,000-$12,000. I was gonna shut you down on this earlier, but, me and my buddy have been laughing our asses off every time you post. It's quite obvious you know NOTHING about which you speak, past what the talking heads on the magic TV box tell you.

 

[Mindmelted]

Do you not understand what I am trying to say or are you just trying to pick apart my post? you've got nothing.

Still waiting for a good reason why assault style rifles should be sold haven't heard one.

And just what is assault about them?

You are the one that has nothing and grasping at straws.