school shooting taft california

canndo

canndo

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If you have ever been through Taft you would be soundly surprised that there hasn't been a mass shooting every week there.


I have never been in such an island of dis pare One can hardly resist thoughts of suicide from the moment one enters the "city" to the moment one thankfully exits"
 
ginjawarrior

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canndo said:
If you have ever been through Taft you would be soundly surprised that there hasn't been a mass shooting every week there.


I have never been in such an island of dis pare One can hardly resist thoughts of suicide from the moment one enters the "city" to the moment one thankfully exits"
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well it wasnt a mass shooting as it seems they only had a shotgun

does this mean california's gun regulation might have saved some kids?
 
canndo

canndo

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ginjawarrior said:
well it wasnt a mass shooting as it seems they only had a shotgun

does this mean california's gun regulation might have saved some kids?
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It would seem that the absolutists are at work again. If a law does not prevent ALL infractions of that law then why pass it in the first place right? I don't know if a particular law would prevent this shooting or if it would prevent all shootings but if it prevents some killings and it does not remove our 2nd amendment right (as it is interpeted, not that slippery slope thing the gun toters are now repeating), then what,exactly is the harm in another, enlightened law?
 
desert dude

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Here is a response to an LA Times editorial. These are not my words, but I would proudly claim them if they were:


"According to the FBI, 60-90% of all gun murders are a result of the illegal drug trade.

According to the US Department of Justice, 56% of all murderers had prior convictions for violent felonies.

According to the FBI, only 2% of gun crimes (and less then 1% of murders) are committed using so-called "assault weapons", despite fact that the AR-15 is the most commonly owned model of rifle in the country.

If the Obama administration actually cared at all about gun deaths, they would be pushing to end the war on drugs and for the passage of a national 2-strikes law for violent felons. Their own best data suggest that they could, at a minimum, reduce gun deaths in the US by 65-75% with those two actions, while their own data prove that an "assault weapons" ban, even assuming that prospective killers wouldn't switch to a handgun, knife, club, or bare hands (each of which accounts for several times more murders than this type of gun), would reduce the murder rate by less than 1%.

So, tell me again how the administration is trying to save lives rather than simply exploit tragedy, prejudice, and ignorance in order to attack legal private gun ownership."
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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desert dude said:
Here is a response to an LA Times editorial. These are not my words, but I would proudly claim them if they were:


"According to the FBI, 60-90% of all gun murders are a result of the illegal drug trade.

According to the US Department of Justice, 56% of all murderers had prior convictions for violent felonies.

According to the FBI, only 2% of gun crimes (and less then 1% of murders) are committed using so-called "assault weapons", despite fact that the AR-15 is the most commonly owned model of rifle in the country.

If the Obama administration actually cared at all about gun deaths, they would be pushing to end the war on drugs and for the passage of a national 2-strikes law for violent felons. Their own best data suggest that they could, at a minimum, reduce gun deaths in the US by 65-75% with those two actions, while their own data prove that an "assault weapons" ban, even assuming that prospective killers wouldn't switch to a handgun, knife, club, or bare hands (each of which accounts for several times more murders than this type of gun), would reduce the murder rate by less than 1%.

So, tell me again how the administration is trying to save lives rather than simply exploit tragedy, prejudice, and ignorance in order to attack legal private gun ownership."
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you seem to be answering a question that was never asked in this thread

seems a bit desperate to me
 
st0wandgrow

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desert dude said:
Here is a response to an LA Times editorial. These are not my words, but I would proudly claim them if they were:


"According to the FBI, 60-90% of all gun murders are a result of the illegal drug trade.

According to the US Department of Justice, 56% of all murderers had prior convictions for violent felonies.

According to the FBI, only 2% of gun crimes (and less then 1% of murders) are committed using so-called "assault weapons", despite fact that the AR-15 is the most commonly owned model of rifle in the country.

If the Obama administration actually cared at all about gun deaths, they would be pushing to end the war on drugs and for the passage of a national 2-strikes law for violent felons. Their own best data suggest that they could, at a minimum, reduce gun deaths in the US by 65-75% with those two actions, while their own data prove that an "assault weapons" ban, even assuming that prospective killers wouldn't switch to a handgun, knife, club, or bare hands (each of which accounts for several times more murders than this type of gun), would reduce the murder rate by less than 1%.

So, tell me again how the administration is trying to save lives rather than simply exploit tragedy, prejudice, and ignorance in order to attack legal private gun ownership."
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"According to the US Department of Justice, 56% of all murderers had prior convictions for violent felonies."

That's an interesting, but not surprising stat.

Given that, would it not stand to reason that all firearm sales should have to coincide with a background check? Would it not also stand to reason that all guns should be registered? And finally, would it not make sense to give the above points some teeth, and introduce some severe penalties for anyone caught with a firearm not registered to them, or anyone selling a gun without conducting the proper background check?

This would certainly help to insure that weapons don't end up in the wrong hands, no?
 
ginwilly

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st0wandgrow said:
"According to the US Department of Justice, 56% of all murderers had prior convictions for violent felonies."

That's an interesting, but not surprising stat.

Given that, would it not stand to reason that all firearm sales should have to coincide with a background check? Would it not also stand to reason that all guns should be registered? And finally, would it not make sense to give the above points some teeth, and introduce some severe penalties for anyone caught with a firearm not registered to them, or anyone selling a gun without conducting the proper background check?

This would certainly help to insure that weapons don't end up in the wrong hands, no?
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wait, are you saying we need laws to make it illegal to own an illegal gun? I think we did that already. Turns out it's mostly criminals who own illegal guns.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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ginwilly said:
wait, are you saying we need laws to make it illegal to own an illegal gun? I think we did that already. Turns out it's mostly criminals who own illegal guns.
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Is purchasing a gun at a gun show without a proper background check considered an "illegal gun" purchase right now?
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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st0wandgrow said:
Is purchasing a gun at a gun show without a proper background check considered an "illegal gun" purchase right now?
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I believe the Brady law deems it so but I'm not a gun person and I'm also confident the gun shows skirt around a few laws. I'll give you that gun shows are most likely lax in following laws. I thought you were speaking in general terms.

We should probably register anyone who buys drano too. jic
 
UncleBuck

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NLXSK1 said:
The news media reported the kid had at least 20 shotgun shells in his pocket. Obviously this is a problem. And someone could conceivably carry hundreds of smaller rounds in their pockets. This cannot be allowed to continue.

Therefore.... We must ban pockets!!! Do it for the children!
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stinks like desperate again in here.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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NLXSK1 said:
The news media reported the kid had at least 20 shotgun shells in his pocket. Obviously this is a problem. And someone could conceivably carry hundreds of smaller rounds in their pockets. This cannot be allowed to continue.

Therefore.... We must ban pockets!!! Do it for the children!
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perhaps the fact that the rounds were in his pocket rather than in the gun ready to shoot means there was only 2 victims rather than the many more it could have been

is this a case of california's gun laws helping in part to stop this being worse?
 
desert dude

desert dude

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st0wandgrow said:
"According to the US Department of Justice, 56% of all murderers had prior convictions for violent felonies."

That's an interesting, but not surprising stat.

Given that, would it not stand to reason that all firearm sales should have to coincide with a background check? Would it not also stand to reason that all guns should be registered? And finally, would it not make sense to give the above points some teeth, and introduce some severe penalties for anyone caught with a firearm not registered to them, or anyone selling a gun without conducting the proper background check?

This would certainly help to insure that weapons don't end up in the wrong hands, no?
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What would registration accomplish?
 
Mr Neutron

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ginwilly said:
wait, are you saying we need laws to make it illegal to own an illegal gun? I think we did that already. Turns out it's mostly criminals who own illegal guns.
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Other than a long gun with a barrel that is too short (depending on what state you are in)... what is an illegal firearm?
 
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