mareinelie
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May need another dehumidifier once the room is full of dank buds though
3x1000 watt indoor medical grow
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Thundercat
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Sorry for rambling I didn't realize how long that post was. Got high and into the zone.
I too need a dehumidifier, I've killed 2 over the years. Thankfully winter is pretty dry.
I too need a dehumidifier, I've killed 2 over the years. Thankfully winter is pretty dry.
Friedrice
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That cleared things up for me.
Dont worry about length, ive done so much reading it isn't a "task" for me anymore.
The reason I have been staying away from perpetual motion is because i cannot afford a reduction in quality.
My quality is the reason my stuff hits the shelves.
I have never done more then one set of clones per mother.
And the mother ALWAYS comes from a seed.
Can i ask why you dont top?
and how is lollipopping the plants working for you?
I feel like 10-15 plants is a little excessive to pull the weight your looking for.
I did lollipop a plant last cycle that came from seed.
Took about 20 clones off of her trimmed all her leaves and was like you know what, im going to see how she flowers.
Since that was my strongest mother. She did just as well as her clones which did great as well.
It turned out nicely
The way i run my setup now though my plants are about 2.5-3ft when finished, so I dont really need lollipopping. But please understand for everyone reading this, I KNOW the other mothers i had wouldn't have done as well.
Trust me. The way i know this is because i put a couple of clones from other mothers inside with the batch and they weren't even close.
You have to find out which one is the best mother!
I think that with my method though, i can help you get MORE yield, in the same amount of time.
Even with just a six hundred watt light.
We'll see.
Friedrice
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Read the previous posts, Ive got a 9,000btu and an 8,000btu just in caseMay need another dehumidifier once the room is full of dank buds though
Thanks for looking out though
Friedrice
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Ok before we get rockin and rolling here i want to tell you what bare minimum materials you should have:
-Any potting soil; a soil is mixed WITH nutrients; Please stay away from Miracle Grow. I have no experience with it, BUT if its all you have we will work on it.
or
-Any potting mix; a mix is usually something with dirt and dry of nutrients. YOU will be monitoring the nutrients from beginning to end.
I prefer potting mixes for the more advanced people because you have more control over what goes into your soil.
Potting soils are not bad though! Easier to maintain, and will produce just as good as potting mix.
Potting mix is a little cheaper.
This grow though, I am going to be using FFOF(Fox farms ocean forest).
I just have a thing for it....
I can also help if you guys are running flood trays, coco coir, hydroton, ect....
Anyways if your doing it my way(soil);
Have some pots at least a 3 gallon
Have a light; at least a 400 watt.. You wont get the yield but you will get some quality.
a PH/PPM meter would be awesome but you at least need a digital PH pen.
Ebay has some online made by Milwaukee for like $20.
cant beat a deal like that.
I strongly suggest you pick one up.
Also get some plant nutrients.
Im keeping what i use a secret for right now, but i am very knowledgeable in nutrients and can work with you guys individually.
popular names are GH, fox farm, dyna gro, Humboldt, ect...
Now for a test to see what you guys know
1. What is the ideal humidity for vegging?
2. What is the ideal humidity for flowering?
3. What is the ideal ph for Hydroponics?
4. What is the ideal ph for soil?
This is a beginners test and they will get harder as we go along.
PRIVATE MESSAGE ME WITH YOUR ANSWERS
that way others cant see your answers and i can work with you one on one if you were wrong to lead you in the right direction
Thanks whodatnation good advice.
Happy Growing!
-Any potting soil; a soil is mixed WITH nutrients; Please stay away from Miracle Grow. I have no experience with it, BUT if its all you have we will work on it.
or
-Any potting mix; a mix is usually something with dirt and dry of nutrients. YOU will be monitoring the nutrients from beginning to end.
I prefer potting mixes for the more advanced people because you have more control over what goes into your soil.
Potting soils are not bad though! Easier to maintain, and will produce just as good as potting mix.
Potting mix is a little cheaper.
This grow though, I am going to be using FFOF(Fox farms ocean forest).
I just have a thing for it....
I can also help if you guys are running flood trays, coco coir, hydroton, ect....
Anyways if your doing it my way(soil);
Have some pots at least a 3 gallon
Have a light; at least a 400 watt.. You wont get the yield but you will get some quality.
a PH/PPM meter would be awesome but you at least need a digital PH pen.
Ebay has some online made by Milwaukee for like $20.
cant beat a deal like that.
I strongly suggest you pick one up.
Also get some plant nutrients.
Im keeping what i use a secret for right now, but i am very knowledgeable in nutrients and can work with you guys individually.
popular names are GH, fox farm, dyna gro, Humboldt, ect...
Now for a test to see what you guys know
1. What is the ideal humidity for vegging?
2. What is the ideal humidity for flowering?
3. What is the ideal ph for Hydroponics?
4. What is the ideal ph for soil?
This is a beginners test and they will get harder as we go along.
PRIVATE MESSAGE ME WITH YOUR ANSWERS
that way others cant see your answers and i can work with you one on one if you were wrong to lead you in the right direction
Thanks whodatnation good advice.
Happy Growing!
whodatnation
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What do you mean by specifics.
I will be getting into advanced techniques later into the forum.
My motto is "Best of Both Worlds"
Which means, I am going to be collaborating both Organic and Non-organic methods.
50/50 chem ferts and natural ferts.
but what do you mean?
I was asking if you would be revealing anything specifically, something not generally know,,, or if you were just doing a basic how to.
Just the way you worded some stuff made it seem like you were going to be showing us something new and unknown.
Im along either way, but I wont be mixing chemical and organic.
You dont think the salty synthetics will be harming your "organic" living soil?
Friedrice
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i will go as in depth as the questions I'm asked.
Im not saying I know everything, but I'm sure where I don't someone in here might.
its hard for me to keep it simple so beginners can understand while tending to the advanced techniques causing confusion in the newbies. I'm trying to find a happy medium. That's why i issued a test, to see which people have basic knowledge and which ones don't. Give or take the answers might not be the same but close.
but like i said, as in depth as the questions come ill answer to my best knowledge.
New and unknown carries a different meaning depending on your knowledge.
as far as salty synthetics, I guess it just depends on the nutrients you use.
And other "additives" you put in.
I strictly follow "KISS" method.
I spend very little in nutrients per light per cycle.
its almost cost less if I'm not wasteful and stupid.
The soil costs more for me.
But I guess we will just have wait and see
Hope that helps
whodatnation
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Well if I go ahead and do the test... All the novice growers wont really learn much by doing their own research.... wich is the best way to learn imo. Your doing a good thing here.
Hand raised in the front row..... "Pick me pick me pick me!!!" lol
Oh, btw for my soil classmates that stick with this til the end I might decide to show you guys how to start the curing process BEFORE you even chop the plants down.
we'll see
Hand raised in the front row..... "Pick me pick me pick me!!!" lol
Friedrice
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Thundercat
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Well man I'm not sure where you got this notion that takeing clones will make them weaker, or that running genetics for more then one genreation away from a mom with will make them weaker. The only way that that should happen is if you are stressing the hell out of your mother while you are growing it. There are guys that have maintained the same genetics for many more years then me. If all the old school genetics were useless after a few runs, then we wouldn't have any good genetics left now a days. The key is not abusing the plants or stressing them out. I suppose if you don't think you can do that then you'd be better not trying to run perpetual. It does create some challenges for sure.
The lolli popping seems to work well enough, I've ran plants in my system that I havn't lollipopped, and they honestly weigh about the same. It seems that the lollipopping just encourages the top buds to grow denser rather then using energy to grow fluffy bottom buds. Its not about taking anymore off then off have to, you just remove the bottom stuff that won't get much light any way.
I'm not sure why you seem to think I'm not getting enough yield from my set up, I've always been very pleased. When I'm running with my single tray full(32 plants), at my average typical harvest of about 25g per plant, that put me at about 800g/tray. Which breaks down to .8g/w, certainly not the highest out there but respectfull none the less. My room was designed to run 2 trays each with about 30 plants under my 1000. I find it a challenge to have that many clones avialable that frequently as I have also worked a full time job and taken care of my family. When I was running both trays 3 years ago that was we'll say 50 plants x 25g divided by 1000w= 1.2g/w of the same premium WW I have today(if I had a full 60 plants it should be about 1.5g/w). Like I said I don't run both trays 99% of the time just cus its more headache. I know there are higher efficiency ways of growing, but for now I'm comfortable.
The lolli popping seems to work well enough, I've ran plants in my system that I havn't lollipopped, and they honestly weigh about the same. It seems that the lollipopping just encourages the top buds to grow denser rather then using energy to grow fluffy bottom buds. Its not about taking anymore off then off have to, you just remove the bottom stuff that won't get much light any way.
I'm not sure why you seem to think I'm not getting enough yield from my set up, I've always been very pleased. When I'm running with my single tray full(32 plants), at my average typical harvest of about 25g per plant, that put me at about 800g/tray. Which breaks down to .8g/w, certainly not the highest out there but respectfull none the less. My room was designed to run 2 trays each with about 30 plants under my 1000. I find it a challenge to have that many clones avialable that frequently as I have also worked a full time job and taken care of my family. When I was running both trays 3 years ago that was we'll say 50 plants x 25g divided by 1000w= 1.2g/w of the same premium WW I have today(if I had a full 60 plants it should be about 1.5g/w). Like I said I don't run both trays 99% of the time just cus its more headache. I know there are higher efficiency ways of growing, but for now I'm comfortable.
Friedrice
Active Member
My replies are in bold
Oh, also, when running perpetual do you cut your mothers and reroot them when they start getting really tall and the bottom is all chopped out?
Thundercat
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Lol deffinitely not 25 g from the whole setup, that would be a total waste of my time and money.
I've topped plants before in my trays, I've groown some big ass soil bushs before, I've grown some big ol bushes in my trays even(had 4 bushes in my tray instead of 30 single colas). I've found that if I top the girls i the tray instead of single cola, once they bush out, I loose alot of space. Then I might get an extra 15-20g per plant but if I can only run 1/2 to 2/3 as many plants it doesn't balance out. I've found over the last 3 years that usually filling the tray with nice 25-30inch single cola plants will give me what I need with a minimum of veg time and a minimum amount of fooling around.
As far as the genetics go man, I'm not wrong. Good genetics are kept carefully and are tried to be kept pure if they aren't trying to change them. Good growers will save males and females for years for breeding projects. They will also take many generations of clones off them. Breeding alone won't help keep the genes either. Unless the breeder really knows what he is doing then just crossing 2 plants won't likely result in anything better then what you started with. There are many premo strains out there that are clone only, and have been around for many years. Its about taking good care of them, and not stressing them out. I'm not saying you won't get any genetic degradation over time either, just that its not any thing to worry about unless you abuse your plants which will make it worse.
Any way not trying to argue, to each there own I'm not trying to convince you to run perpetual, just sharing. I'll stop highjacking your thread now.
I've topped plants before in my trays, I've groown some big ass soil bushs before, I've grown some big ol bushes in my trays even(had 4 bushes in my tray instead of 30 single colas). I've found that if I top the girls i the tray instead of single cola, once they bush out, I loose alot of space. Then I might get an extra 15-20g per plant but if I can only run 1/2 to 2/3 as many plants it doesn't balance out. I've found over the last 3 years that usually filling the tray with nice 25-30inch single cola plants will give me what I need with a minimum of veg time and a minimum amount of fooling around.
As far as the genetics go man, I'm not wrong. Good genetics are kept carefully and are tried to be kept pure if they aren't trying to change them. Good growers will save males and females for years for breeding projects. They will also take many generations of clones off them. Breeding alone won't help keep the genes either. Unless the breeder really knows what he is doing then just crossing 2 plants won't likely result in anything better then what you started with. There are many premo strains out there that are clone only, and have been around for many years. Its about taking good care of them, and not stressing them out. I'm not saying you won't get any genetic degradation over time either, just that its not any thing to worry about unless you abuse your plants which will make it worse.
Any way not trying to argue, to each there own I'm not trying to convince you to run perpetual, just sharing. I'll stop highjacking your thread now.
Friedrice
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No way man! Argument is good! Your not highjacking anything. Im trying to figure out whether or not to top or single cola my shit...
Your probably right on the genetics thing though. I still feel that after taking a clone of a clone and then a clone off of that clone would eventually cause some type of degradation.
But i dont have a place to say that cause ive never done it. I think im going to give it a try with these seeds i have.
Im debating on whether doing 15 three gallon pots or 5-6 five gallon pots...
hmmmm
Thundercat
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Thats gonna depend alot on how big you plan on growing. the 3 gallons will give you a good amount of space for a month of veg and 2 months of flowering. If your planning on vegging them longer and bigger then that I'd go with the larger pots. You running soil right. Have I mentioned or have you ever heard of putting air sources down in the soil. Heres a few links to the idea. I tried it with great success several years ago. The extra O2 is really good for the roots, its a simple little upgrade that is really cheap and pays for its self.
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/122372-airbasket-fimming-tech-pics.html
that is a thread about the tecnique, where myself and the inventor a person from here named Natmoon, talk about it. That guy used to grow some sick ass bushes man. 10+ oz off a single plant in a 4x4 scrog, and he had bushes with baseball bat sized colas at one point. Very impressive results, and the plants that I put an air sponge into the bottom of grew noticably nicer also. Mines all in my journal I wanna say the bushes started around page 30-35. Its been forever since I've read back through it.
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/122372-airbasket-fimming-tech-pics.html
that is a thread about the tecnique, where myself and the inventor a person from here named Natmoon, talk about it. That guy used to grow some sick ass bushes man. 10+ oz off a single plant in a 4x4 scrog, and he had bushes with baseball bat sized colas at one point. Very impressive results, and the plants that I put an air sponge into the bottom of grew noticably nicer also. Mines all in my journal I wanna say the bushes started around page 30-35. Its been forever since I've read back through it.
Friedrice
Active Member
Yeah i feel as if i were to top i would need 5 gallon pots to go a little bushier and if i were to run single cola's i could get buy on 3 gallon pots.
The only problem is i would have to have higher plant numbers, which im trying to avoid.
Also Thundercat, is perpetual when you keep taking clones off of clones? or is perpetual continuously vegging a mother plant that came from seed?
Im very confused on that...
call me dumb...
Thundercat
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Either way would be considered perpetual, it really refers to how you harvest not how you get/grow your plants. You could run a perpetual grow from seeds each time, but you'd have to start alot of seeds to fill a system, and you'd have to wait for all of them to grow up enough to mature so you get good buds from them. What makes it perpetual is how you time your harvests. I put several plants in about every 3-4 weeks, and harvest about every 3-4 weeks, but I always(perpetually) have plants flowering that way. Rather then flowering a full tray at once I gradually at plants to the flower tray, and gradually take finished plants out. Thats what makes it perpetual, hell you could keep your one mother for years and only take clones off the original mother. I';ve found it gets harder and harder to keep them happy when they get older though. The longest I kept a mother was about 1.5 years, and it got ridiculously twisted and bushy from getting cut back so much, but it still flowered into a sweet sweet scrog.
There is a guy on here that runs a thread called "harvest a pound every 3 weeks" he has been taking clones straight off clones for years, with no mothers at all. He is a very serious medical grower, and potency is important for him. I usually will use a clone to start a mother and run her for 6 months to a year taking clones off of it. Then I'll flower out that mom and turn a new clone into a mom. Like I've said before I may have lost a little bit of vigor, but my potency, flavor, and eveything else seem as good right this minute(smoking a bowl) as they did 4 years ago when I got this strain.
There is a guy on here that runs a thread called "harvest a pound every 3 weeks" he has been taking clones straight off clones for years, with no mothers at all. He is a very serious medical grower, and potency is important for him. I usually will use a clone to start a mother and run her for 6 months to a year taking clones off of it. Then I'll flower out that mom and turn a new clone into a mom. Like I've said before I may have lost a little bit of vigor, but my potency, flavor, and eveything else seem as good right this minute(smoking a bowl) as they did 4 years ago when I got this strain.
Friedrice
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GOTCHA!
That is what i plan on doing this time. I was going to do that last grow but we had some heavy rains down here and my garage flooded... fucking sucked.
I have 3 1000 watt lights and im going to be spacing them out 3-4 weeks apart.
Im just trying to figure out how to make my seeds last the longest without having to buy more to create a new mother and without losing quality.
Does anyone notice a reduction in quality when topping clones????