3x1000 watt indoor medical grow

Thundercat said:

Are you asking if my mothers get weaker with each batch of clones I take off them? I do my best not to stress my girls, my mothers, or my babies. I take clones about once a month maybe every 3 weeks, but my mothers usually have plenty of time to relax after wards and grow back out. I've been running some White widow for 4 years now that has all came from clones of mothers turned into mothers and so on. It doesn't seem to be loosing any potency, I've been smoking it for 4 years and it still opens my mind every time. I will say that it may have lost a bit of it vigor, my latest mother hasn't been growing quite as fast as the others always have. She is happy and healthy, just going kinda slow this time.

Thats why I decided to put in some seeds, which included 3 beans that I've gathered from my crops of WW over the lsat 4 years. I've found a total of 8, never noticed and hermies and finding 8 seeds out of that many plants I count as a blessing. They are acting like little blessings as well. The peat pellets are seed starters like rock wool, and I put 3 of those in and they were sprouted out of the ground and open in 36 hours. It blew my mind. They are now about 6 inchs tall and going to get cloned soon.

The perpetual harvest is fairly simple. Usually I put about 10-15 plants in about every 3 weeks. Those plants flower for 7 weeks in the case of my WW, then I harvest them out and add more in. I usually have clones at several stages from just rooting to about 3 weeks old. I usually give them a short veg period to build the roots, then they go into my flood trays to flower. I run single cola SOG, so I trim off the lower growth to lollipop the buds, and support them all with growing sticks so the don't collapse on them selves from the weight lol. This lets me harvest about 10-15 plants that average around 25g every 3 weeks or so.

Sadly life is tricky and it seems like every 9-11 months something happens and my cycle gets screwed up, but its been a fairly nice way to keep a steady flow.

I actually mis spoke its (critical + x jack) https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/dinafem-seeds-critical-jack/prod_447.html Supposed to be dina fems take on critical mass x jack herer, so I'm expecting it to be pretty sweet. It doesn't say exactly on it % of indica or sativa, but I'm guessing 70/30 from its other lineage. https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/dinafem-seeds-critical-jack/prod_447.html this is the other one I just put in, I'm hoping iits a more indica dom for some variation, cus my WW is a more sativa high.

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mareinelie said:

May need another dehumidifier once the room is full of dank buds though

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Friedrice said:

What do you mean by specifics.
I will be getting into advanced techniques later into the forum.
My motto is "Best of Both Worlds"
Which means, I am going to be collaborating both Organic and Non-organic methods.
50/50 chem ferts and natural ferts.

but what do you mean?

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whodatnation said:

I was asking if you would be revealing anything specifically, something not generally know,,, or if you were just doing a basic how to.
Just the way you worded some stuff made it seem like you were going to be showing us something new and unknown.

Im along either way, but I wont be mixing chemical and organic.
You dont think the salty synthetics will be harming your "organic" living soil?

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Friedrice said:

Oh, btw for my soil classmates that stick with this til the end I might decide to show you guys how to start the curing process BEFORE you even chop the plants down.
we'll see

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whodatnation said:

Well if I go ahead and do the test... All the novice growers wont really learn much by doing their own research.... wich is the best way to learn imo. Your doing a good thing here.
Hand raised in the front row..... "Pick me pick me pick me!!!" lol

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Thundercat said:

Well man I'm not sure where you got this notion that takeing clones will make them weaker, or that running genetics for more then one genreation away from a mom with will make them weaker. The only way that that should happen is if you are stressing the hell out of your mother while you are growing it. There are guys that have maintained the same genetics for many more years then me. If all the old school genetics were useless after a few runs, then we wouldn't have any good genetics left now a days. The key is not abusing the plants or stressing them out. I suppose if you don't think you can do that then you'd be better not trying to run perpetual. It does create some challenges for sure.

Its not that they are useless and taking clones for one or two generations actually makes them stronger. Im talking running them for 3/4/5 generations. That is also not true about not having old school genetics. The way you keep the gene alive and strong is by breeding seeds.

The lolli popping seems to work well enough, I've ran plants in my system that I havn't lollipopped, and they honestly weigh about the same. It seems that the lollipopping just encourages the top buds to grow denser rather then using energy to grow fluffy bottom buds. Its not about taking anymore off then off have to, you just remove the bottom stuff that won't get much light any way.

See what I do now is i take my clones that have about 4-5 nodes. Chop of the bottom 2 and bury the stem, leaving 2-3 nodes on top. I have never topped before always ran single cola about 10 plants per light. This time though i think im going to top. We'll see how it goes.

I'm not sure why you seem to think I'm not getting enough yield from my set up, I've always been very pleased. When I'm running with my single tray full(32 plants), at my average typical harvest of about 25g per plant, that put me at about 800g/tray. Which breaks down to .8g/w, certainly not the highest out there but respectfull none the less. My room was designed to run 2 trays each with about 30 plants under my 1000. I find it a challenge to have that many clones avialable that frequently as I have also worked a full time job and taken care of my family. When I was running both trays 3 years ago that was we'll say 50 plants x 25g divided by 1000w= 1.2g/w of the same premium WW I have today(if I had a full 60 plants it should be about 1.5g/w). Like I said I don't run both trays 99% of the time just cus its more headache. I know there are higher efficiency ways of growing, but for now I'm comfortable.

My bad, i misread what you meant. I thought you were pulling 25g's from you entire setup with a 600w. Not per plant. 25g's per plant is definitely not too bad. My bad man

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Thundercat said:

Lol deffinitely not 25 g from the whole setup, that would be a total waste of my time and money.

I've topped plants before in my trays, I've groown some big ass soil bushs before, I've grown some big ol bushes in my trays even(had 4 bushes in my tray instead of 30 single colas). I've found that if I top the girls i the tray instead of single cola, once they bush out, I loose alot of space. Then I might get an extra 15-20g per plant but if I can only run 1/2 to 2/3 as many plants it doesn't balance out. I've found over the last 3 years that usually filling the tray with nice 25-30inch single cola plants will give me what I need with a minimum of veg time and a minimum amount of fooling around.

As far as the genetics go man, I'm not wrong. Good genetics are kept carefully and are tried to be kept pure if they aren't trying to change them. Good growers will save males and females for years for breeding projects. They will also take many generations of clones off them. Breeding alone won't help keep the genes either. Unless the breeder really knows what he is doing then just crossing 2 plants won't likely result in anything better then what you started with. There are many premo strains out there that are clone only, and have been around for many years. Its about taking good care of them, and not stressing them out. I'm not saying you won't get any genetic degradation over time either, just that its not any thing to worry about unless you abuse your plants which will make it worse.

Any way not trying to argue, to each there own I'm not trying to convince you to run perpetual, just sharing. I'll stop highjacking your thread now.

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Thundercat said:

Thats gonna depend alot on how big you plan on growing. the 3 gallons will give you a good amount of space for a month of veg and 2 months of flowering. If your planning on vegging them longer and bigger then that I'd go with the larger pots. You running soil right. Have I mentioned or have you ever heard of putting air sources down in the soil. Heres a few links to the idea. I tried it with great success several years ago. The extra O2 is really good for the roots, its a simple little upgrade that is really cheap and pays for its self.
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/122372-airbasket-fimming-tech-pics.html
that is a thread about the tecnique, where myself and the inventor a person from here named Natmoon, talk about it. That guy used to grow some sick ass bushes man. 10+ oz off a single plant in a 4x4 scrog, and he had bushes with baseball bat sized colas at one point. Very impressive results, and the plants that I put an air sponge into the bottom of grew noticably nicer also. Mines all in my journal I wanna say the bushes started around page 30-35. Its been forever since I've read back through it.

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Thundercat said:

Either way would be considered perpetual, it really refers to how you harvest not how you get/grow your plants. You could run a perpetual grow from seeds each time, but you'd have to start alot of seeds to fill a system, and you'd have to wait for all of them to grow up enough to mature so you get good buds from them. What makes it perpetual is how you time your harvests. I put several plants in about every 3-4 weeks, and harvest about every 3-4 weeks, but I always(perpetually) have plants flowering that way. Rather then flowering a full tray at once I gradually at plants to the flower tray, and gradually take finished plants out. Thats what makes it perpetual, hell you could keep your one mother for years and only take clones off the original mother. I';ve found it gets harder and harder to keep them happy when they get older though. The longest I kept a mother was about 1.5 years, and it got ridiculously twisted and bushy from getting cut back so much, but it still flowered into a sweet sweet scrog.

There is a guy on here that runs a thread called "harvest a pound every 3 weeks" he has been taking clones straight off clones for years, with no mothers at all. He is a very serious medical grower, and potency is important for him. I usually will use a clone to start a mother and run her for 6 months to a year taking clones off of it. Then I'll flower out that mom and turn a new clone into a mom. Like I've said before I may have lost a little bit of vigor, but my potency, flavor, and eveything else seem as good right this minute(smoking a bowl) as they did 4 years ago when I got this strain.

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