Why Hydroponic chemical is worth more then Organic!

hedinclouds

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but if the plant is getting the same chemicals from feces as you just stated then your point is moot...for, using your words here...unless you procure the manure yourself you are getting chemicals...and guano for instance would be contaminated with both pesticides and ferts as you indicated as they feed on crops that man protects...so point is moot

also bath salts and spice are NOT the same...bath salts are MDPV (also known as 3,4-Methylenedioxypyrovalerone) or mephedrone...spice is a synthetic cannabinoid JWH-018. Another compound, found in Spice products sold in Germany, is an analog of CP-47,497, a cannabinoid developed by Pfizer over 20 years ago. And such an aberrant misconception is putting your supposed phd in question

Please question my "supposed degree". Yes however, when syndicate chemicals are introduced to our diet, adverse reactions occurr within the brain. Animal feces like bat guano may contain elements that may pose potential problems on a scale how large, I'm not sure without scientifically testing or taking the time to find a recent Un bias study.
So my main point was simply this, man made synthetics have been proven to be worse for our bodies then natural organics. ( yes we all know Phizer has been such an uplifting drug company that has never done faulty studies conducted within..cough cough Zoloft teen / young adult suicide)
CP-47,497..little testing has been done to this synthetic chemical and not much is known about the long-term effects or the impact of their toxicity. ( thankfully changing do to the recent events).
I wasn't saying bath salts are like spice, rather they are products of synthetic chemicals, man made in a lab with little testing. Such as chemical nutrients.




INTRODUCTION:
3,4-Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) is a designer stimulant drug that has gained popularity in the USA. Although adverse effects of MDPV have been described, to our knowledge, this is the first reported death.
CASE REPORT:
We report the case of a 40-year-old male who injected and snorted "bath salts" containing MDPV and subsequently became agitated, aggressive, and experienced a cardiac arrest. He was resuscitated after his initial arrest; however, he developed hyperthermia, rhabdomyolysis, coagulopathy, acidosis, anoxic brain injury, and subsequently died.
DISCUSSION:
This is the first case in the medical literature to report death due to isolated confirmed MDPV intoxication. The manner of death is also consistent with excited delirium syndrome.

Other Zoloft Side Effects


Zoloft has been found to cause two other significant side effects: increased thoughts of suicide, and complications for those with pre-existing heart conditions. As early as 1990, people reported that antidepressants caused increased suicidal thoughts and behaviors. The FDA considered the issue, but it did nothing more. It became clear that antidepressants could adversely affect children and teenagers, making them hostile, irrational, violent, or suicidal. In 2006, the FDA analyzed the results of 372 studies of antidepressants, finding that even young adults (ages 18-25) were also afflicted with behavioral changes. As a result, the FDA ordered antidepressant manufacturers, including Pfizer for Zoloft, to include added warnings to consumers.

if anyone chooses to grow, smoke, eat, MMJ with chemical nutes, that's fine. I'm not judging .My main point here was for the original poster to do some research before thinking irrationally.
Cheers.
 

PurpleBuz

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:blsmoke:bongsmilie:bigjoint:


Get really high and ready for some real talk for once. Organic is great everything should be Organic. Why do I feel Hydro bud is worth more then Organic then? Organic fertilizers, soil, ect. are not great they are really high in arsenic and other heavy metals. Arsenic can be found in nature yet it kills most life, do I feel smoking it is better then say bud grown with General Hydroponics? Honestly, I would rather smoke GH. Weed shouldn't be grow or sprayed with Chemicals or Organics that are toxic or neurotoxins in any way, and should be priced accordingly in a higher manner. Monopotassium phosphate, dipotassium phosphate, ect. I stay far from.

P.S fluorine is natural, yet I stay far from it. I will not use fluoride tooth paste.
Hydro bud that is known to use certified ferts and pesticides should be worth more than "Organic" if they are using the correct ferts and pest control measures. The biggest problem with organic is that it is pure marketing hype, and fundamentally being organic DOES not make it safer or better. If I fertilize my garden with crap from the most rutheless cattle feedlot operation does that make it better than synthetic ferts which have a guaranteed analysis?

I want to know everything that goes into or on my plants. Organic certification does not do that. The wannabe organic products, those that do not have organic certs are even worse. How many of those products do not disclose a full chemical breakdown? its propietary ....Ha!
 

Mithrandir420

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i think the opposite. Organic and Veganic mmj should be way more sought after and cost more than chemically grown herb.
Not if it's a crap strain or it isn't grown right. I base prices on the overall quality of the final product. Not on the growing method. Anyone can fuck up anything.
 

curious2garden

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...snip... micro biology.......snip......
Ok I admit I tried not to do this but after your last post I could not help myself. This really seems to be a case of, "yesterday I could not spell aeroline pilit and today I are one". Usually by the time you finish a class (even micro 101) you can correctly spell it.
 

Dan Kone

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:blsmoke:bongsmilie:bigjoint:


Get really high and ready for some real talk for once. Organic is great everything should be Organic. Why do I feel Hydro bud is worth more then Organic then?
Because it generally is depending on where you are. Anywhere South of Sonoma, hydro outsells organics by a lot.

Organic fertilizers, soil, ect. are not great they are really high in arsenic and other heavy metals. Arsenic can be found in nature yet it kills most life, do I feel smoking it is better then say bud grown with General Hydroponics? Honestly, I would rather smoke GH. Weed shouldn't be grow or sprayed with Chemicals or Organics that are toxic or neurotoxins in any way, and should be priced accordingly in a higher manner. Monopotassium phosphate, dipotassium phosphate, ect. I stay far from.
The way I see it the advantage hydro has is that you can flush it. You can't really flush out organics. If you give your hydro a good 2 week flush it's going to be clean as fuck, cleaner than organics. When you flush hydro, the plant is uptaking only water. When you flush out organics, there are still plenty of nutrients in the soil the plant is taking in.

You can manipulate nutrient uptake in hydro in a way that you just can't do with organics. For that reason I believe properly grown and flushed hydro is in fact superior to indoor organics.
 

hexthat

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Ok I admit I tried not to do this but after your last post I could not help myself. This really seems to be a case of, "yesterday I could not spell aeroline pilit and today I are one". Usually by the time you finish a class (even micro 101) you can correctly spell it.
I smoke much and spell bad, get over it.
 

hexthat

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:cry:

I'm horrible at socializing and language, I'm a mechanical mathematical scientific thinker. I always use spell checker, yet I'm unable to hide my flaws... I try and help out in the problem forums but still I am shunned.

... i think i drank too much
 

Kite High

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so tired of this organic smanic crap...all ity is is a way to get your $$$....asides from that pure poppycock bullshit
 

ru4r34l

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I took biology, chemistry.... and micro biology.
I do have an issue with organics because organics never tell you what is in them, example derived from seagoing bird guano. The bird could have ate anything.

Here is an example of micro nutrients from GH.
Derived from: Ammonium Molybdate, Calcium Nitrate, Cobalt Nitrate,
Copper Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Zinc Nitrate, Potassium Borate,
Potassium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Manganese EDTA, Iron EDDHA
and Iron DPTA.

Most chemicals tell you whats in them.... GH leaves out a few things like the dyes they use in grow and bloom, cause if what they say was the only thing in them they would have no color.
GH does not leave out the dye, the amount used is so minimal is not required to be listed but it's mentioned numerous times on there website and in product sheets that it is used to identify the product visually; this is a common practicse.

so tired of this organic smanic crap...all ity is is a way to get your $$$....asides from that pure poppycock bullshit
There you have it, snake oil comes in synthetic and organic form. :hump:

regards,
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I took biology, chemistry.... and micro biology.
I do have an issue with organics because organics never tell you what is in them, example derived from seagoing bird guano. The bird could have ate anything.

Here is an example of micro nutrients from GH.
Derived from: Ammonium Molybdate, Calcium Nitrate, Cobalt Nitrate,
Copper Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Zinc Nitrate, Potassium Borate,
Potassium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Manganese EDTA, Iron EDDHA
and Iron DPTA.

Most chemicals tell you [what's] in them.... GH leaves out a few things like the dyes they use in grow and bloom, cause if what they say was the only thing in them they would have no color.
Not lately. Have you found a bottle of, say, floor cleaner that lists all the ingredients? Also "derived from" is not synonymous with "ingredients". It's an act of compliance with a labeling law specific to ag products. The dyes need not be mentioned since they are not an active ingredient. I also note that the major chemical entity in each GH bottle (water) is not listed. Ingredient labeling is about saying the minimum that'll have you in compliance with labeling laws, and these are different for various product categories and typically most stringent for things people buy to ingest. cn
 

essayons

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To be honest I don't know Dick about chemistry or microbiological or botany and what not and I'm a noob to growing just on my 1st but this thread is fucked and should never even exist. I'm not going to bash OP but this is not even close to fact this is opinion you have not backed this with anything but a janky website and some shit that looks like it was found on google. Shit like this is what makes people not want to be on forums and not progress the art of growing. It's shit like this that clogs boards with useless irrelevant shit and misinformation you should stop
 

SpicySativa

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Just throwing something out there...

The BACKGROUND (naturally occurring) level of arsenic in soils of California's Central Valley (the Salad Bowl of America) is just a hair below the level your whining about in Roots Organic nutrients... It just ain't a big deal.

Like one of the earlier posters, this brings Chicken Little to mind...
 

PurpleBuz

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Just throwing something out there...

The BACKGROUND (naturally occurring) level of arsenic in soils of California's Central Valley (the Salad Bowl of America) is just a hair below the level your whining about in Roots Organic nutrients... It just ain't a big deal.

But Roots Organic is NOT organically certified
 

SpicySativa

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so tired of this organic smanic crap...all ity is is a way to get your $$$....asides from that pure poppycock bullshit
If organic is just a way to get my money, how come it's so much cheaper for me to produce? And how come I choose to do it this way for myself, regardless of cost?

Simple...
 

SpicySativa

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so tired of this organic smanic crap...all ity is is a way to get your $$$....asides from that pure poppycock bullshit
For someone who's tired of it, you sure spend a lot of your time bickering about it. Every time I have posted my OPINION about why I prefer Organics (primarily a result of my upbringing, education and profession), you're there like clockwork starting the flame war.

Funny how that works. You just love hating organics for some reason. Have fun with that...
 
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