Slow growth??

[bmeat]

I also have noticed more growth during lights out.

thats wrong. they really only grow vertically in the dark, and who knows what the roots do. ive read that lights of..its using stored energy (mainly to stretch to, look for lights) and during the day its building, and storing energy, more productively.

still, dont overwork them. theyre life. 20/4 at most

humans rebuilkd the best when where asleep. anyone that has read a plant anatomy book could you if plants are the same or not, im not positive. its not on surface literature.

 

[Bakatare666]

theyll adjust before a week to the light.

give some rest time. 20/4 or 18/6 is ideal.

what stage is the plant in? seedling or veg?

With questions like this it is hard not to troll you.

 

[Bakatare666]

whenever you want man you be the judge. itll grow like another 1/3 of its size then start to lay down fruits (hopefully female ones)

I assume you mean the plant will grow when you switch from veg to flower?
I've never heard of a plant only adding 1/3 it's size at the flip.

 

[wickedsmoke427]

So bmeat your sayin switch it to 20 4 and deff need.better lights, but I think imma let them veg for a few more weeks, until I can afford proper lights for flowering, any ideas for cheap flowerin lights, enough to flower 2 plants (hopefully)

 

[Bakatare666]

Well I only have 4 ft to work with so I wanna keep them between 3 and 3.5 ft tall,, and ive read that in flowering they can double and triple in size, so how tall would I wanna veg them out to?? Maybe like 8 or 10 inches just to be safe??

Just my opinion from other stuff I have seen come from his screen name, but I wouldn't take anything bmeat says as accurate.
I am working with a little under 4' height restriction, and my plant, after vegged 1 month, was 10" tall. I topped it, and have been tying branches down to stay within my height limitations, and not cut anything.
Yes, you are correct, it will most likely at least double in height unless you veg it for quite a while.

 

[wickedsmoke427]

And any input on how to keep em under 4ft please

 

[Bakatare666]

Topping and LST'ing will work fine for you.

 

[wickedsmoke427]

Bakatar sounds like your the one I should be listening to lol

 

[wickedsmoke427]

Read alot on both, I dont like the thought of cutting the top, and I cant really figure out what lst is for

 

[bmeat]

its bending the plant over, in hopes of getting it to open up its bottem colas as main colas. and it adds training, much like you train a human, and it keeps it shorter (from bending her over). i would stay away from it if youre new. it will add a lot more stress than needed, and if your enviornments not perfect, itll set you back, and not bounce back like it should. itll only work right if you bend it over from a very top node.

do me a favor. measure the plant from soil right before you flip. and then after the week it stretches as it enters puberty, lmk if it doubled in size or not.

id say more like 1/3, then itll get hairy, mature, and start producing juice and stop "growing"

when in seedling phase, the roots are getting laid more than the shoots are growing. i read from a smart guy on here (he got a cowboy on a horse as an avatar, cant remember his name, he knows ALOT i can tell) that roots before shoots. so, when the roots have been setup, then the plant exits seedling, enters veg, and grows rapidly.

 

[Bakatare666]

thats wrong. they really only grow vertically in the dark, and who knows what the roots do. ive read that lights of..its using stored energy (mainly to stretch to, look for lights) and during the day its building, and storing energy, more productively.

still, dont overwork them. theyre life. 20/4 at most

humans rebuilkd the best when where asleep. anyone that has read a plant anatomy book could you if plants are the same or not, im not positive. its not on surface literature.

You ass....... Are you the elf wearing jingle balls that sneaks into my grow while the lights are off and measures my shit? NO
Then shut your pie hole and don't tell ME what MY plant does.

 

[Bakatare666]

Bakatar sounds like your the one I should be listening to lol

Sorry, I warned you.
I'm not an expert by any means, but I don't spout off about shit I don't know.

 

[bmeat]

You ass....... Are you the elf wearing jingle balls that sneaks into my grow while the lights are off and measures my shit? NO
Then shut your pie hole and don't tell ME what MY plant does.

maybe it is possible for them to double. who knows. only attacking you back in retaliation. thats why im asking this cat to measure, and to have near optimal conditions. watch humidity and ph.

 

[Bakatare666]

its bending the plant over, in hopes of getting it to open up its bottem colas as main colas. and it adds training, much like you train a human, and it keeps it shorter (from bending her over). i would stay away from it if youre new. it will add a lot more stress than needed, and if your enviornments not perfect, itll set you back, and not bounce back like it should. itll only work right if you bend it over from a very top node.

do me a favor. measure the plant from soil right before you flip. and then after the week it stretches as it enters puberty, lmk if it doubled in size or not.

id say more like 1/3, then itll get hairy, mature, and start producing juice and stop "growing"

when in seedling phase, the roots are getting laid more than the shoots are growing. i read from a smart guy on here (he got a cowboy on a horse as an avatar, cant remember his name, he knows ALOT i can tell) that roots before shoots. so, when the roots have been setup, then the plant exits seedling, enters veg, and grows rapidly.

That's the ONLY accurate thing I have heard out of you, the man you speak of is hotrod, and YES, he IS knowledgeable, Yes he does say the roots before shoots, but as far as the stretch at flip, what you said to watch for a week, a plant can continue the stretch for 3 weeks, depending on conditions.
My last 3 of 3 plants all did.

 

[bmeat]

my tomato only lasted for like a week, and then she opened flowers, i helped polinate by shaking (i have a fan on them anyway) and then they close and get all bumpy and hairy. im guessing shes developing in there now.

not sure how much my cannabis can stretch, becuase ive never achieved a good or great enviornment yet :/

i mean, youre probably right, cannabis is a bigger plant than a tomato, especially a sativa!

i dont even factor in autos/ruderalis when i talk about cannabis. its a bad breed that adapated to a shitty enviornment in my opinion. it does have medicinal properties though.

 

[Bakatare666]

maybe it is possible for them to double. who knows. only attacking you back in retaliation. thats why im asking this cat to measure, and to have near optimal conditions. watch humidity and ph.

OK Gilligan, the comment you made stated I was wrong when I said I also noticed my plant seemed to grow more during the dark cycle than the light, then you tried to explain that the plant grows in the dark, and makes/ stores energy during lights on.

 

[bmeat]

well i found our answer. its the opposite of humans. during the night, the roots grow, and the plant stretches looking for lights. during the day it actually vegetates and builds its true structure above the earth.

"roots grow before shoots in order to sustain the structure the plant will need during development. in addition, it aids in the acquisition of essential nutrients from the soil that is critical for a plant's growth.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_roots_grow_before_shoots#ixzz2I1YQMUh2"

so they collect nutes from soil the most during dark, gather instead of real "growing"

 

[Ninjabowler]

So bmeat your sayin switch it to 20 4 and deff need.better lights, but I think imma let them veg for a few more weeks, until I can afford proper lights for flowering, any ideas for cheap flowerin lights, enough to flower 2 plants (hopefully)

Theres quite a bit posted by bmeat that is questionable, sorry bmeat. I have two plants that have stretched to almost four times the height, maybe five times. Shishkaberry. Switched to flower at 18 days from cutting clones.
They are the back ones in the picture, judge for yourself. The picture of when they were small was around a week old. this is not typical growth though. This may be the franken pheno i have. The shorter ones in the front are a better dipiction of the stretch in most plants. They were a tiny bit shorter than the shish when they were flipped but they all are the same age. Obviously stretch is strain specific.
At the age your plants are it is very unlikely that you will induce flowering on them if you change your light cycle to 18/6. If you have any worries about this just change the lights one hour at a time until you get there.
I havent heard any mention of nutrients yet or maybe i missed it. They should be getting some type of food by now and if theyre not then that could be the reason they are not growing. You need somthing high in Nitrogen at this phase of growth at around 250-300 ppm. Get a ppm meter off amazon for 20 bucks. Do it. Money in the bank.
Your probably not going to want hid lighting in there but it is totally possible to grow two decent plants with four of those pig tail lights, cfls. Just make sure your useing 150 w equivilants x 4. I dont know if theyre exactly 150, whatever.
Check https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/609990-super-mini-plants-grow-journal.html
super mini plants grow journal by luiji. Hes doing it just like you and you will pick up some tips. He just did his first grow and his plants started out small but finnished nicely.
Lastly dont be scared to LST!!!!! You will maximize that grow cab you have. Tie tie tie. Just before you do it read as many LST posts as possible and youll be fine. Luijis journal will help you to see what your plants will eventually do, youll love it. Good luck. PM me if you want about whatever.

 

[Bakatare666]

well i found our answer. its the opposite of humans. during the night, the roots grow, and the plant stretches looking for lights. during the day it actually vegetates and builds its true structure above the earth.

"roots grow before shoots in order to sustain the structure the plant will need during development. in addition, it aids in the acquisition of essential nutrients from the soil that is critical for a plant's growth.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_roots_grow_before_shoots#ixzz2I1YQMUh2"

so they collect nutes from soil the most during dark, gather instead of real "growing"

I really don't care what or where you get your info, and I'm not going to waste time to go to a link that you post, because I know how to read a tape measure.
I don't know how you can still sit and try to argue with me (like you did with Trousers), first telling me my plant does not grow during lights out, then citing a link, you then contradict yourself saying 'The roots grow, and the plant stretches.'
Only to follow with another contradictory statement stating 'During the day it vegetates and builds structure.'.
If the plant is 'building structure', isn't that growing??????
Then you contradict yourself a third time saying 'They collect nutes during dark, instead of growing.'

 

[bmeat]

sorry. 12/12 stretch is strain specific. stativas stretch more than Indica. rootsgrowat night more and work more at night, along with stretching.l ights on is true growth. leaves swell, nodes develop, branches stagger and buds swell in sun

I'll stay out of detail so i don't get harassed