Slow growth??

bmeat said:

sorry. 12/12 stretch is strain specific. stativas stretch more than Indica. rootsgrowat night more and work more at night, along with stretching.l ights on is true growth. leaves swell, nodes develop, branches stagger and buds swell in sun

I'll stay out of detail so i don't get harassed

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Just leave out the details you dont know about and nobody will harass you.

" Its bending the plant over, in hopes of getting it to open up its bottem colas as main colas. and it adds training, much like you train a human, and it keeps it shorter (from bending her over). i would stay away from it if youre new." - do you remember posting this?
If you have no expireince on a topic please do not comment on it unless you are the one seeking answers and thats clear to everyone involved.

Actually the whole post that i took that quote from should just be removed from the thread. Its nothing but nonsence and blithering and all the information is wrong. Are you getting the drift yet?

Wow lot of helpful info, so quick sum up lol,,, 1, I should switch my lights to 20/4, 2, do I absolutely need nutes, and which would be the best, ff trio, been looking at them,, and 3 doi you think they will be fine until say the first week in feb, until I can get more lights and nutes if needed and a ph tester

Ninjabowler said:

Just leave out the details you dont know about and nobody will harass you.

" Its bending the plant over, in hopes of getting it to open up its bottem colas as main colas. and it adds training, much like you train a human, and it keeps it shorter (from bending her over). i would stay away from it if youre new." - do you remember posting this?
If you have no expireince on a topic please do not comment on it unless you are the one seeking answers and thats clear to everyone involved.

Actually the whole post that i took that quote from should just be removed from the thread. Its nothing but nonsence and blithering and all the information is wrong. Are you getting the drift yet?

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ninja, why? that is how an effective lst works. anyone that lsts from the middle node or lower, the plant will just be crooked, and not a true lst. ive watched my buddy lst from the top, bend the plant almost parallel, and watched the bottem sucker fruits raise up all as main colas. i have experience with this, becuase ive witnessed this, and it is correct.

you can even catch and release lst, like some of my other friends have done. you train during veg, and then you let it go during flower, but this will probably make it grow vertically like mad.

do switch your lights to 20/4. you shouldnt feed nutes until after the first 4 weeks. i dont feed nutes until the plant looks like its asking for them. the trio is a good feed, but its really expensive. you can find some cheaper 1-1-1 feeds out there that will be good during veg and flower. only soluble solutions can be mixed with water.

your ph should be ok if youre not abusing your soil. tapwater is buffered with chemicals around 6-7 (usually) and all nutes are buffered to about 5.5-6.

ive helped a few new comers on here get some pretty looking plants. please dont doubt me that heavy

Not doubting anyone at allll as I am new to this and knoe absolutely nouthing except for what I read anf learn on here,,I take all advice, and disect it myself then research research research lol so maybe my next grow wil go fairly ok... As of this one lol I think I got some of those super mini plants

They are rather intriguing to me, probably because ima newb and everything is gonna fascinate me but what can I say I love my ganja

And any ideas on good nutes that wont crush my budget,

wickedsmoke427 said:

Wow lot of helpful info, so quick sum up lol,,, 1, I should switch my lights to 20/4, 2, do I absolutely need nutes, and which would be the best, ff trio, been looking at them,, and 3 doi you think they will be fine until say the first week in feb, until I can get more lights and nutes if needed and a ph tester

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Personally, I vegged under 24/0 for the first 2 weeks, then the next 2 weeks was 18/6, but that's just me.
You do NOT NEED nutes in veg, unless you see signs of hunger (Usually yellowing from lack of N).
I just use Miracle Grow all purpose and feed once, at about 3-4 weeks, but I do it a little early before I see anything.
I forget how much light you have, but for 1 or 2 plants, 3 or 4 23w CFL's really close (less than 3") will be fine for a few weeks veg.
Don't listen to bmeat about what tapwater comes out at.
My water, and I know several others come out over 7.5
Whether or not you get a PH tester is up to you, but it wouldn't hurt.
You can get a water test kit for fish tanks if you're on a budget, that will get you pretty close, but if you plan to do this for a while, invest in a good pen.
Try to test your water after adding whatever you're going to use, as nutes will usually lower PH a little.
I only had the drops, so I got mine around 6.5-6.6, then added nutes and hoped for the best.
When I finally tried a soil tester, I was happy to find I was right at 6.6

my tapwater is buffered well then, i guess.

the green house seed company feeds their plants with tons of nutes, and they keep the ph as low as 5.5-5.9 depending on genes, which i find crazy. i like 6-7.

70 is a fine temp. do you have a indica or a sativa? sativa like it warmer, indica cooler, naturally.

I dont know the strain, so since im uaing mg organic ill try the mg all purpose, where can I get it at my lower leaves just the single blade set the tips are turning yellow and look dead just the tips tho

Wait did you mean thats the soil you use lol if so my bad just smoked, if thats the case what nutes should I get

search for an organic all purpose fertilzer (1-1-1 raito)

or buy the fox farm trio for $40

liquid is better for feeding when the plant is established, granular is better for pre mixing earth.

Just looked it up imma order the ff trio from amazon and the ph up and down kit altogether 70 bucks shipped,,,, so now the question will they be ok as they are for another 4 weeks untill I get everything and my new lights

$70!? god damn.

save your money. you can use soda ash for ph up, or better yet lime, becuase it has better salts (mg and ca) and you can use lemon for ph down.

meat, out. do some searching. fertilzer cost $10 for four pounds of composted manure, bone meal, feather meal and potash.

and $12 for fish emulsion. you can use beet jucie, molasses, whatever you want, just get one that has some added p and k, becuase these are mainly sources of nitrogen.

im fure the fox farm trio is just as good though.

your ph shouldnt be all over the place, unless you fuck up your earth.

60 im sorry lol 43 for the trio and 13 for the testing kit and the ph up an down

read my post again, i edited it.

meat, out.

And IMO and I know just a newb so it dont matter but I think having the testing kit and the ph up/down would be a smart thing to have, right?

i guess. i have ph test strips becuase me and my dad built an above ground pool some years back, and i use them if i ever notice anythings wrong. if nothing seems wrong, (no nute lockout) i dont really bother.

i test my tap on occasion, but it always seems to be a steady 7

Well the plan is start changing the light schedule 20/4 for two weeks then 18/6 for two weeks, hopefully by then have my nutes, transplant into 5g buckets with mg organic/perlite mix, wait another few days for shock, then start 12/12 under 2500k lights, might throw a couple 5000k for spectrum

bmeat said:

its bending the plant over, in hopes of getting it to open up its bottem colas as main colas. and it adds training, much like you train a human, and it keeps it shorter (from bending her over). i would stay away from it if youre new. it will add a lot more stress than needed, and if your enviornments not perfect, itll set you back, and not bounce back like it should. itll only work right if you bend it over from a very top node.

do me a favor. measure the plant from soil right before you flip. and then after the week it stretches as it enters puberty, lmk if it doubled in size or not.

id say more like 1/3, then itll get hairy, mature, and start producing juice and stop "growing"

when in seedling phase, the roots are getting laid more than the shoots are growing. i read from a smart guy on here (he got a cowboy on a horse as an avatar, cant remember his name, he knows ALOT i can tell) that roots before shoots. so, when the roots have been setup, then the plant exits seedling, enters veg, and grows rapidly.

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Ok ill break it down for you.

its bending the plant over, in hopes of getting it to open up its bottem colas as main colas. and it adds training, much like you train a human, and it keeps it shorter (from bending her over). i would stay away from it if youre new. it will add a lot more stress than needed, and if your enviornments not perfect, itll set you back, and not bounce back like it should. itll only work right if you bend it over from a very top node
Low stress training is an amazing way to get the most out of a small space. If you dont plan on topping your plant or LST then you will have one main that grows straight into the top of your tiny grow cab. This set back as you call it is not a set back at all, the root system is still growing at a proportionate rate and the vertical height growth moves into the lateral branches more instead of the original dominant lead. The plant will bounce back, they always do unless you drop a ladder on them and still some of them will come back. The bears right, top and LST to keep it under 4ft. 100%. If you plan on scrog and you dont top youll have one big head poking through your screen otherwise. You want multiple to fill your screen.
do me a favor. measure the plant from soil right before you flip. and then after the week it stretches as it enters puberty, lmk if it doubled in size or not. theres no need to measure u less you dont own a camera or phone. Just take a picture. You saw my pictures right? That plant stretched to 5x its original height. The other one tripled in height. Stretch is no lie, its a harsh reality conquered but things like LST and topping. Also the plant will stretch for way longer than a week, try four. If your not prepared yield will suffer.


id say more like 1/3, then itll get hairy, mature, and start producing juice and stop "growing" like i said double to 5x. Plants produce pistals and resin, not hair and juice.


when in seedling phase, the roots are getting laid more than the shoots are growing. i read from a smart guy on here (he got a cowboy on a horse as an avatar, cant remember his name, he knows ALOT i can tell) that roots before shoots. so, when the roots have been setup, then the plant exits seedling, enters veg, and grows rapidly. this part isnt that bad, i like the part about roots getting laid, im going to go put my dick in the dirt right now. Im thinking you have a couple of indicas in your tent at around two feet tall and a tomato plant. Your on the right track you just need to read more and listen. Until youve done a successfull grow or two you may want to curb the enthusiasim to direct other peoples actions. Dont get me wrong, your helping sometimes but theres critical mistakes in your advice. Keep on trying to help out bro, thats what RIU is all about, just do it by passing on expireince rather than hearsay.....ninja vanish! * *

understood, ill talk less. i have two grapefruit diesels in my grow room, which will hopefully get as big as my tomato plant, and a basil.

im worried though, becuase they are mainly sativa (paradise acid)

may have to lst myself.