cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Do we have to go there? cn
I'm getting extremely tired of this "medical" front people are using.
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fb360
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You are about 20 years late in this debate, bear. We now have artificial intelligence clients that successfully navigate a maze, or choose the future object, etc, better than humans.
I can site many examples, but SIRI is a clear one. SIRI is an artificial intelligence which predicts, reasons, and makes choices, using nothing more than hundreds of millions of transistors. Did you know that if you tell SIRI you are traveling to a location distant from yours, without purchasing a plane ticket with your phone, she will ask you if you want to purchase a ticket? She will then remind you of your departure date and time when it is close. She will also recommend a cab and tell you the traffic... That's logic and reasoning to me...
I could go into the inverse-lambda calculus to describe how computers can determine and predict human speech, but that would blow over everyone heres head...
Too often people associate 1s and 0s with black and white. I offer a simple contradiction; the digital image. It is a bunch of 1s and 0s that can be sequenced to create beautiful and vivid analog visual stimuli.
I could go into A2D converters, or D2A as well, but again it would be pointless. The main point of this is that logic is based upon physicalities (truths), that we USE to reason. If I put my hand in a fire, it will burn. Fact. I then use that truth to logically determine that it is best for my health to not put my hand in the fire.
I can write that example in lambda-calculus for digital processing, just as easily.
I do understand your point that human reasoning and logic still trumps robots/computers in most cases, but you can actually writing learning code that will learn as fast as it encounters new unique states. In theory, you could create an infinitely smart robot for a certain application if you had the time to train it before hand.
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Just to make my point clear. Human and machine reasoning IS interchangeable. Specifically because machines are nothing but human made objects. The very reason to even have language supports this fact; if we werent able to express our reasoning or thoughts, why even communicate. What you are concerned with is a computers ability to decipher human reasoning. Trust me, it happens all the time. Just ask any terrorist that had a Apache heli fire some hellfire missiles on them just because the pilot looked at them and winked.
e2: for bear;
Just watch the TED conference on robotics. There are some pretty badass bots out there dude; emotion sensing, care giving, productive teaser, etc. All of which are based in presumption, reasoning, and at the core, logic.
I deeply encourage you to watch this entire Artificial Intelligence course, which I took last semester(advanced AI class btw. If you understand it all, you understand AI pretty well) (PS: these guys write the books; this one specifically as well. ASU actually has very good robotics professors):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD8k8gsUQfg
didnt video for length purposes.
fb360
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I worded it incorrectly, but I meant to say that you tried to validate your points by invalidating mine down; which is illogical, and highly ironic considering we are discussing logic lol.... Not once did I not try to prove MY point. I gave an example or reason for every statement I made...
I'm drunk so pardon me, but my logic is still intact. Is yours?
NUGG LIFE420
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Youre freaking out about dumb shit. seriously?! why are you hating on fellow stoners. You dont know what other people go threw. people can still seem normal but could have some pretty serious problems. Anxiety is serious! maybe not as serious as cancer or aids but people can still be really effected by it and can just make life harder. Plus if youre such a stoner why the fuck would you tell people to take a pill that effects there body negatively. pills can really fuck up some of your organs. Isnt that a main reason people switch from those fucked up pills to pot. I respect you as a stoner but i have no respect for that shitty comment
kelly4
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Have you ever had an anxiety attack that caused you to hyperventilate? I once hyperventilated for 3 days straight.
It was xanax that stopped me from hyperventilating. Xanax is fine if taken correctly.
Canna Connoiseur
Active Member
Plus it is not easy to die from withdrawal. You would have to be ingesting like 4 mgs a day ever day to have any risk and that is a lot!
Twistyman
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works for me...
what sucks is I have 2 cancers (bladder/throat) and still can't get a card .... fucking Dear Leader Kim Jon Harper has muddied the waters so much you can't even get a paper signed as no one knows what the system will be.
abandonconflict
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Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you get a reprieve from that bull shit. You think Canada is waiting to see what US policy will be in the next several years? I know that is the case in Mexico, but apparently Mexico wants it legal and it would appear Canada wants it illegal.
FOUR20 SWG
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-Keen
I'm not trying to attack you, but when you come out with an opinion that is so wildly offtrack from fact I feel the need to say something. As did many others.
People who deride the medical aspect of modern cannabis legislation as simply a "backdoor to legal weed" are missing the big picture. For every 1,000 stoners that get their cards, let's say there are 10-20 people who really need it (and the actual # is a much higher % in reality). Like I said earlier, who cares? All that means is there will be 900-something more people out there getting medicated, where once they were just getting stoned. I fail to see how that harms anyone. And then 10-20 people whose lives were being wrecked and ruined by both their conditions and subsequent cures, have a viable option at living normally. That to me outweighs any negatives.
If we were to meet offline, I can almost guarantee if you didn't know me you'd say my prescription was bullshit too. I thought that about alot of patients I'd see in shops.
Then you start talking to people and you see. This guy has PTSD, this woman has cancer, another guy MS. All of them seeking benefit in different ways from cannabis.
New or not, i'm glad you're here. I hope that in time after you get a chance to read some of what these guys and gals on here have to say, that you will come to appreciate all aspects of the healing herb.
I'd avoid drawing anymore connections between cannabis and adderol/alcohol in the future though. That'll pretty much net you the exact same reactions from a new cast of characters everytime.
I'm not trying to attack you, but when you come out with an opinion that is so wildly offtrack from fact I feel the need to say something. As did many others.
People who deride the medical aspect of modern cannabis legislation as simply a "backdoor to legal weed" are missing the big picture. For every 1,000 stoners that get their cards, let's say there are 10-20 people who really need it (and the actual # is a much higher % in reality). Like I said earlier, who cares? All that means is there will be 900-something more people out there getting medicated, where once they were just getting stoned. I fail to see how that harms anyone. And then 10-20 people whose lives were being wrecked and ruined by both their conditions and subsequent cures, have a viable option at living normally. That to me outweighs any negatives.
If we were to meet offline, I can almost guarantee if you didn't know me you'd say my prescription was bullshit too. I thought that about alot of patients I'd see in shops.
Then you start talking to people and you see. This guy has PTSD, this woman has cancer, another guy MS. All of them seeking benefit in different ways from cannabis.
New or not, i'm glad you're here. I hope that in time after you get a chance to read some of what these guys and gals on here have to say, that you will come to appreciate all aspects of the healing herb.
I'd avoid drawing anymore connections between cannabis and adderol/alcohol in the future though. That'll pretty much net you the exact same reactions from a new cast of characters everytime.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Thank you fb, but I have a bug about vids. can't watch the damn things. I like books. cn
abandonconflict
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REALSTYLES
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Do you even respect this plant? It has more beneficials properties than just getting high or medicinimal purposes. You can feed people and clothe them as well as making biofuel. Thats why it's illegal and thats why it's the price it is.What black market?
The black market is driven by money
If everyone grew weed, the supply would bring the price down to the point it wouldnt be worth risking it.
I personally would grow 15 foot high 8 lb plants in my back yard
REALSTYLES
Well-Known Member
I've met Jack Herrer and have ate hemp seeds from him as well as bought his book "The Emporer who wears no clothes" Read this book and you'll hopefully understand where I'm coming from. Knowledge is power.
fb360
Active Member
Well if you ever find yourself wanting a little review of 2nd/3rd order calculus or AI education, that is a tremendous resource; I'm surprised ASU leaves those up as they consist of the entire lecture, and every lecture of the course.
I do admit they are probably the most boring things to watch solo, but very informational and valuable.
meltdown213
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I know this is a little late but can't stand people saying stupid shit. Everything a doctor does is a recommendation. You don't have to do shit and can always get a second opinion. People get prescriptions all the time and don't fill them for various reasons. Your mmj card acts as an ongoing presciption that is issued by the state based upon a doctor's recommendation. Walgreen fills your prescription based upon a doctor's recommendation.
hexthat
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I could not care F@$%ing less about others and what they say.
meltdown213
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^^^ The best part is the OP uses Fibromyalgia as a legit condition to say medicine.
When I was a kid in Massachusetts in the 1940-50s, liquor was only sold in state controlled "package stores" which were closed on Sunday.
But if you had a doctor's prescription, saying the booze was for medical reasons, you could buy it at the drug store.
So every Sunday, my Grandfather would open his pharmacy early and stay late to provide medicine for the suffering masses.
tumorhead
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Pubmed:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15578967
I have to take nortriptyline and cymbalta for cranial nerve pain, they block the pain receptors in the brain much like cannabis. Hash and edibles feel better than the oxycodone I take.