|FCG|Frank's 1st Grow: Kali Mist | LED, CO2 & all the love they need

[gordobo]

http://www.inda-gro.com/warranty.html

Hmm not good in that they do have the restock fee stated. But is there any chance that they took over the five days for the credit to get processed like it says in that statement? How quick did they actually process your credit? If they took longer than 5 days you can probably get the restock fee waived and get at least the $152 back. Worth a shot.

 

[|FCG|Frank]

If it appeared on the website I cannot fight it. It took them a few hours to process the refund from moment of receipt.

The lesson: there are just as many crooks, dishonest manufacturers and assholes willing to take advantage of the unsuspected or uneducated in the growing business as any other business.

This is a 230$ lesson to remember, for sure.

 

[gordobo]

Only a few hours for you to get your refund is quick processing. Had you known it was going to cost a couple hundred bones you should have ran it for the 30 days then returned it. That way you'd be the one getting over on these crooks! Next time go with an iGROW and you won't have these issues.

 

[|FCG|Frank]

I just won't go with induction at all

 

[gordobo]

what're you gonna use?

 

[|FCG|Frank]

The two SS400W I ordered.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Yeeeah, LED beats induction hands down.

My AF-240 is 2 generations old, and still puts out over 1700 umoles @ 12". The new ones from Area 51 are something like 50% more efficient... they'll be released soon.

I've yet to see induction lights put down PAR like that, but for some reason the prices are comparable.

 

[gordobo]

dude don't base your entire decision on one bad experience. Actually you should have ran the damn thing for a few weeks up against the SS400 just to see how it did. Apples and oranges I now but still. Next time get an iGROW and they'll give you a 90 day trial but I'd dble ck that one first.

 

[|FCG|Frank]

There was no need since the CEO admitted the PAR readings himself.

 

[|FCG|Frank]

I've yet to see induction lights put down PAR like that, but for some reason the prices are comparable.

They're actually much more expensive if you compare PAR/watt and PAR/dollar ratios.

 

[chazbolin]

You guys do realize that you can get a 2000 uMole PAR reading with all blue LED lamps right? A quantum meter only tells you what the PFF is between 400-700uMole not how it's emitting specific spectrum's re overall net action spectra. A quantum meter is only good for showing intensity anywhere between 400-700nm. You still need to know PFFD values over the entire PAR spectrum to meet the plants moles/day requirements. just sayin

 

[|FCG|Frank]

A quantum meter only tells you what the PFF is between 400-700uMole not how it's emitting specific spectrum's re overall net action spectra. A quantum meter is only good for showing intensity anywhere between 400-700nm.

The PAR readings taken for CL lights were made with a NIST traceable spectraradiometer. I will be getting one too, for the reason you so beautifully articulated.

Consider also the spectrum will, by default, be more dialed in with a LED fixture than induction, making the "right" choice isn't so difficult.

 

[jubiare]

Yes, spectra radiometer is what you want for proper readings

 

[chazbolin]

The PAR readings taken for CL lights were made with a NIST traceable spectraradiometer. I will be getting one too, for the reason you so beautifully articulated.

Consider also the spectrum will, by default, be more dialed in with a LED fixture than induction, making the "right" choice isn't so difficult.

NICE!! Are you going to get an integrating sphere with that too?

 

[guod]

NICE!! Are you going to get an integrating sphere with that too?

lol, an entire lamp in a integrating sphere

here we go...
http://www.laserfocusworld.com/articles/2012/09/integrating-sphere-from-gl-optic.html
http://gloptic.pl/GL_integrating_sphere.php

Outside dimensions: 1200mm x 1125mm x 1800mm

 

[chazbolin]

lol, an entire lamp in a integrating sphere

here we go...
http://www.laserfocusworld.com/articles/2012/09/integrating-sphere-from-gl-optic.html
http://gloptic.pl/GL_integrating_sphere.php

Outside dimensions: 1200mm x 1125mm x 1800mm

I guess I missed the joke. If Frank is going to the expense of buying a radiospectrometer why wouldn't he want the sphere to test luminous flux and radiant energy to maximize spectral efficiencies for cannabis?

 

[|FCG|Frank]

NICE!! Are you going to get an integrating sphere with that too?

Not at first,t he spectroradiometer itself is expensive enough, but they do make a sphere as add-on which I'd most probably end up getting.
http://www.intl-lighttech.com/products/light-measurement/spectroradiometers/ilt950

 

[chazbolin]

You sir on it!!!

I think the integrating sphere would be essential in that it would give you candela plot over the canopy. Critical information when determining just how well these diodes are mixing spectrum's at the plant canopy and helping to eliminate those non-essential spectrum's relative to optimum photosynthetic response of cannabis. Is that your plan? What size sphere are you going to buy?

 

[|FCG|Frank]

Is that your plan? What size sphere are you going to buy?

Yes, it's my plan, but only if things go well with this grow and when Health Canada announces the MMAR changes are definite.

If by 2014 HC phases out home growing in favor of handing out commercial growing licenses with an exemption from the law that permits direct sale to MMAR patients via mail order as they are planning, then I would apply for a commercial license and turn this hobby into a business. Assuming my yield calculations are correct (this is what this grow is meant to determine) I would have enough resources to produce 30-50 pounds every month. At that point, it would make a lot of sense to invest into the spectraradiometer, the biggest sphere I can, a gas chromatographer, and start doing some REAL R&D and experimentation.

Until then it makes no sense to invest in a spectroradiometer and sphere.

 

[chazbolin]

Frank I like what you're doing here with this journal but c'mon. If your clearing 30-50P/month, profitably, why would you invest $20K plus in equipment the mfg's should presumably be using to give you the tools (energy efficient lights regardless the technology) that deliver the yields/quality to meet your patient's needs and your business's financial goals?

What you're saying makes no sense unless your a lighting manufacturer of some sort. Perhaps you can buy this equipment and return it unopened so you're not out of pocket. lol