Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?

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burgertime2010

burgertime2010

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GMO cannabis will open the gates to a corporate takeover of this plant and the consequences will be felt by any grower without a doubt. I am not an expert on genetic engineering but I know about terminator genes, and round-up ready vegetables. The profit motive on such a scale is going to have blowback. The question is why? Are you dissatisfied with the state of cannabis? Why hand the boutique small batch nature over to a truly evil institution? Science suffers no loss as gmo technology is used and well researched? The term organic applies to non-gmo produce, what tastes better? which is healthier? The "we are nature, and this is nature at work" is a completely ridiculous argument. Nature endowed us with ethics, rationality, greed, remorse, violence etc. We are natural, thus are exempt from any regulations, allowed to harm at the expense of the greater good? Come on. I don't want cricket and fish DNA in my herb. Look at the worst possible food products....that is where this ends. I need a drink.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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potpimp said:
OK, Doc replied that he "got it" and I accepted that. My post was directed at him and I think he has shown restraint and is a good sport. Sometimes a person just has to be nudged to remind them. On the second "call out" it's a matter of fact that I jumped into this because i hate Monsanto with every fiber of my being. I see what they have been doing for years; this is not new news to me. They have created "frankenfish", GMO fish that absolutely will replace natural stocks and that is a very, very dangerous thing. We're not talking about cell phones, PS3's, lotions and cremes; we're talking FOOD, the most basic element of human survival there is. Monsanto wants to OWN the right to every organism on the planet. They are big, greedy, filthy rich, and ruthless. They are hiding material facts and buying the approval of the FDA - whose "leaders" are all former Monsanto execs.
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monsanto didnt create frankenfish

preety much everything in that post is just plain wrong
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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burgertime2010 said:
GMO cannabis will open the gates to a corporate takeover of this plant and the consequences will be felt by any grower without a doubt. I am not an expert on genetic engineering but I know about terminator genes, and round-up ready vegetables. The profit motive on such a scale is going to have blowback. The question is why? Are you dissatisfied with the state of cannabis? Why hand the boutique small batch nature over to a truly evil institution? Science suffers no loss as gmo technology is used and well researched? The term organic applies to non-gmo produce, what tastes better? which is healthier? The "we are nature, and this is nature at work" is a completely ridiculous argument. Nature endowed us with ethics, rationality, greed, remorse, violence etc. We are natural, thus are exempt from any regulations, allowed to harm at the expense of the greater good? Come on. I don't want cricket and fish DNA in my herb. Look at the worst possible food products....that is where this ends. I need a drink.
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gmo food hasnt killed the organic food market

and it will not kill the cannabis market either
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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DiverseSanctuary said:
ONCE AGAIN THIS WAS NOT ABOUT ME. IT WAS ABOUT DNA AND HIS POINT. WE ARE NOT AFFILIATED. THE FACT IS, IT SEEMS WE ALL HAVE BEEN MISLEAD IN HIS ATTEMPTS TO MANIPULATE.

as for myself, as I have already said, thanks to All of it, I would have to care about any of it to continue. Would I not??? What does that have to do with my sex????????????

For those who wish to continue the subject here

Maybe this will get you back on track.

http://independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/regulators-discover-a-hidden-viral-gene-in-commercial-gmo-crops/

as for myself. At this point, I think this conversation, is proof, no one is in control of anything PERIOD!!!
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so, it's not all about you, it's about the claims...

this citation does nto support ANY of the specific claims made by you or dnaprotection. it makes OTHER assertions, notably that a small chunk of viral genetic material may be lurking in GMO crops.

this article hems and haws, making a great deal of noise about this discovery, then goes on to make multiple contradictory claims which use the science journalism version of "What If..."

as we see here in the relevant excerpts:

"Given that expression of Gene VI is likely to cause harm..."

"Nevertheless, we can theorize..."

"It is too early to be sure..."

"But the saga of Gene VI is not yet over. There is no certainty that further scientific analysis will resolve the remaining uncertainties, or provide reassurance. Future research may in fact increase the level of concern or uncertainty, and this is a possibility that regulators should weigh heavily in their deliberations."


the discovery discussed in this opinion piece is call for REASEARCH not outright bans, and in no way correlates to any of your previous assertions beyond the vague fearmongering "What if Theres Unknown Unknowns...?"

again, misdirection disguised as evidence of your assertions.

if you want to make your claims based on "Gene IV expression" from cauliflower mosaic virus' use in gene insertion, then make THAT case, not the dozens of other cases you and "dnaprotection" have trotted out over and over, and then abandoned when the seriousness of the charge didnt overcome our demand that you prove it. .

and YOU are the one who made putative genders an issue.
nobody else has been whinging about their reproductive organs, only YOU.

shit, for all you know i might actually BE the 12 year old asian girl that uncle buck pretends to be in sex chatrooms.
but you dont know because i havent said.
details of genitals and chromosomes are irrelevant in this discussion.
in threads with a topic "Urinal Cakes, Melt em in your stream, or let them dissolve naturally?" then whether or not you have a dick becomes an issue of your credibility.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Dr Kynes said:
so, it's not all about you, it's about the claims...

this citation does nto support ANY of the specific claims made by you or dnaprotection. it makes OTHER assertions, notably that a small chunk of viral genetic material may be lurking in GMO crops.

this article hems and haws, making a great deal of noise about this discovery, then goes on to make multiple contradictory claims which use the science journalism version of "What If..."

as we see here in the relevant excerpts:

"Given that expression of Gene VI is likely to cause harm..."

"Nevertheless, we can theorize..."

"It is too early to be sure..."

"But the saga of Gene VI is not yet over. There is no certainty that further scientific analysis will resolve the remaining uncertainties, or provide reassurance. Future research may in fact increase the level of concern or uncertainty, and this is a possibility that regulators should weigh heavily in their deliberations."


the discovery discussed in this opinion piece is call for REASEARCH not outright bans, and in no way correlates to any of your previous assertions beyond the vague fearmongering "What if Theres Unknown Unknowns...?"

again, misdirection disguised as evidence of your assertions.

if you want to make your claims based on "Gene IV expression" from cauliflower mosaic virus' use in gene insertion, then make THAT case, not the dozens of other cases you and "dnaprotection" have trotted out over and over, and then abandoned when the seriousness of the charge didnt overcome our demand that you prove it. .

and YOU are the one who made putative genders an issue.
nobody else has been whinging about their reproductive organs, only YOU.

shit, for all you know i might actually BE the 12 year old asian girl that uncle buck pretends to be in sex chatrooms.
but you dont know because i havent said.
details of genitals and chromosomes are irrelevant in this discussion.
in threads with a topic "Urinal Cakes, Melt em in your stream, or let them dissolve naturally?" then whether or not you have a dick becomes an issue of your credibility.
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You've no idea what they're capable of...
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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DiverseSanctuary said:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512005637#
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and the very first response to this citation: other scientists did the same experiments and got the opposite results. thats what we call a REFUTATION... it means, the the study in the citation you provided was wrong.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691512007843


every one of the references below the gloss of your cited "study" (the french experiment using Onco-Mice and their totally unsurprising tumours) REJECTS the premise, the methodology and the results of the "study" you cite here.

the french Onco-Mouse study has been rejected by everyone who examines it.

and this is like the 5th time in this thread that you or dnaprotection have trotted out this same failed study, and each time you pretend it's new and fresh.
 
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tomcatjones

Active Member
Dr Kynes said:
so, is this a backhanded, utterly deniable claim that canadians growing rapeseed are prohibited from using non-GMO varieties?

also, canola OR rapeseed. lulz.

you's so funny.

post a link to any proof that GMO rapeseed is mandatory in canada or anywhere.
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....clearly you are "misunderstanding"? or dont know how plants pollinate.... prohibited?? no... needless sued over and over and made homeless, broke.... yes.

here....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwfzYDKd8jk

accidents happen..
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
burgertime2010 said:
GMO cannabis will open the gates to a corporate takeover of this plant and the consequences will be felt by any grower without a doubt. I am not an expert on genetic engineering but I know about terminator genes, and round-up ready vegetables. The profit motive on such a scale is going to have blowback. The question is why? Are you dissatisfied with the state of cannabis? Why hand the boutique small batch nature over to a truly evil institution? Science suffers no loss as gmo technology is used and well researched? The term organic applies to non-gmo produce, what tastes better? which is healthier? The "we are nature, and this is nature at work" is a completely ridiculous argument. Nature endowed us with ethics, rationality, greed, remorse, violence etc. We are natural, thus are exempt from any regulations, allowed to harm at the expense of the greater good? Come on. I don't want cricket and fish DNA in my herb. Look at the worst possible food products....that is where this ends. I need a drink.
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i grow my own vegetables.
some farmer growing GMO corn 5 miles away doesnt change my vegetable growing ability.
the very worst thing somebody else growing GMO corn might do to my garden is pollinate my shit with their shit.

and all that will do is make the seeds in my plants different than the cultivar i planted this year if i save seeds and plant em next year.

most home gardeners (and ALL farmers) buy their seeds from seed banks, so they know exactly what cultivar they are growing and how it will act. even dope growers poreferr seeds from seed producers, since seeds from your dope may or may not be any good. only experimentation can reveal the results of the pollination process, and it's the same with GMO's.

shit son, if a stray grain of pollen from ditchweed rides in on your trouser cuffs and gets loose in your dope patch, youll get 1 seed, and if you plant that seed, it might favour the ditch weed and be crap, or the resulting plant might favour your white widow and be awesome, or it might be an autoflowering plant with OK dope, or, who knows, maybe you will have accidentally created the highly potent SUPER WEED the government has been claiming we got since the 1970's. thats the randomness of sexcual reproduction, but either way it doesnt change the characteristics of the parents at all. just the offspring hidden in a seed.

a granny smith apple tree pollinated by a bee who just left a Macintosh apple tree doesnt produce hybrid apples. it produces hybrid SEEDS within the completely un-altered granny smith apple.
when you drop a load of jism into your old lady, does your jism transform your old lady into a hybrid of your two genetic codes, or does it create a THIRD related organism?

use your head bro, i can tell youre not stupid.

also, no, you do NOT know about terminator genes. they are not yet available, and when they finally are released, they just produce sterile seeds in the ordinary completely un-altered crop.

if terminator seed technology gets into your dope, all that will happen is your bagseed wont germinate. it will not destroy Herbies seed bank, or put the guys from Dutch Masters in the poorhouse. you would have to CHOOSE to buy terminator seeds, and those seedbanks who sell normal seeds will get all the people who prefer normal non-gmo dope. it's the same in agriculture.

some farmers want GMO's, some dont. but niether side has the right to demand the other guys submit. thats un-american.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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The "viral DNA" thing means absolutely nothing. All of us have viral DNA in us cause that is how viruses operate. All animals and plants have viral DNA, cause that is how viruses operate.

"A retrovirus is an RNA virus that replicates in a host cell. First it uses its own reverse transcriptase enzyme to produce DNA from its RNA genome. This new DNA is then incorporated into the host's genome by an integrase enzyme. The cell then treats the viral DNA as part of its own instructions, which it follows blindly, making the proteins required to assemble new copies of the virus. Retroviruses are enveloped viruses that belong to the viral family Retroviridae. A special variant of retroviruses are endogenous retroviruses which are integrated into the genome of the host and inherited across generations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrovirus

Just checking in here. I see "the crazy" is still strong in this thread.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
tomcatjones said:
....clearly you are "misunderstanding"? or dont know how plants pollinate.... prohibited?? no... needless sued over and over and made homeless, broke.... yes.

here....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwfzYDKd8jk

accidents happen..
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so i gotta watch over an hour of shitty documentary film nonsense to get your proof?

no reports? no studies? no laws?

and i know very well how plants reproduce.

GMO rape does not turn your neighbor's feild into GMO rape, and the claim it does is ridiculous.
pollination effects the resulting seeds, not the parent plants, and most farmers buy their seed, so they get a cultivar instead of a random mix of different offspring from saved seeds.

mechanized farming demands a certain level of uniformity in the crop. thats why cultivars were created in the first place.

backyard gardeners may enjoy the "heirloom seed" crapshoot, but farmers dont. shooting dice with your crop yield results in you losing your farm.
 
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DiverseSanctuary

Active Member
ginjawarrior said:


your being called out for the above comment not what happened down thread

maybe but maybe you got a chance tho

she may swoon for you any minute if you keep it up
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I hate to tell you, but if you but once again your twisting shi#! read back and like I, you will see he is telling it like it is and he just hates Monsanto. I need no White Knights to fight for me I own my own armor and have done quite well for myself Thank You! Have beaten a few Knights in combat in the past google Society for Creative Anachronism and ask any of the old Knights if they know the Legend of Cup Cake LOL! crazy as a loon I am!!! rolmafo!!!!!! or am I???
 
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DiverseSanctuary

Active Member
desert dude said:
The "viral DNA" thing means absolutely nothing. All of us have viral DNA in us cause that is how viruses operate. All animals and plants have viral DNA, cause that is how viruses operate.

"A retrovirus is an RNA virus that replicates in a host cell. First it uses its own reverse transcriptase enzyme to produce DNA from its RNA genome. This new DNA is then incorporated into the host's genome by an integrase enzyme. The cell then treats the viral DNA as part of its own instructions, which it follows blindly, making the proteins required to assemble new copies of the virus. Retroviruses are enveloped viruses that belong to the viral family Retroviridae. A special variant of retroviruses are endogenous retroviruses which are integrated into the genome of the host and inherited across generations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrovirus

Just checking in here. I see "the crazy" is still strong in this thread.
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Yes you would think they would have taken that info into consideration when GMO'ing all our food. Wouldn't you???
 
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