2013 Outdoor Grow

[doowmd]

how long will you let them get acclimated for? Thats one thing im worried about putting these ones outside after being on 24/0 for so long. i imagine ill prob slowly switch them to 18/6 or maybe even 16/8 before they go outside though. im worried about sending them into budding if i change it too fast >_<

this is one reason i start em on as little light as possible (*and get fem beans*)
1) It lowers the light bill
2) if your transplanting to the ground in april thats a BIG difference in amount of light received! (24 v 12) they will def start to bud, BUT will revert back to veg eventually. But thats precious time wasted imo.
3) eliminates "sexing" and re-vegging period. which, again, is time wasted imo.

after several years of experimenting I start mine on 13 hours light so as not to stress them out too bad when I put them out into 12.5 hours of light in April. (which I do over the course of a week/week and a half dependent on plant size at the time and weather.)

 

[doowmd]

this might b helpful to some too: http://astro.unl.edu/classaction/animations/coordsmotion/daylighthoursexplorer.html

 

[Darkdrae]

Yeah, you're gonna need a tent or build a structure to house 25 vegging plants until they reviel their sex's to you. You're off to a super good start though with some knowledge under your belt for sure. I'll be getting rid of my pair of 150's. These ones were used for these past 3 months and that's it. I have the boxes & receipts if you want.. shoot me a pm and I'll shoot them to you cheap seeing how I'll only be using T5's after I'm done.
Time to turn the compost pile.

cool deal pm sent(i think) My internet is being crappy haha

 

[Darkdrae]

this is one reason i start em on as little light as possible (*and get fem beans*)
1) It lowers the light bill
2) if your transplanting to the ground in april thats a BIG difference in amount of light received! (24 v 12) they will def start to bud, BUT will revert back to veg eventually. But thats precious time wasted imo.
3) eliminates "sexing" and re-vegging period. which, again, is time wasted imo.

after several years of experimenting I start mine on 13 hours light so as not to stress them out too bad when I put them out into 12.5 hours of light in April. (which I do over the course of a week/week and a half dependent on plant size at the time and weather.)

yea the only reason i did 24 was because they are just regualr t12 floros they are under, i got 6500k bulbs for them but i figured they could use all the help they can get until i get new lighting. Also i was being greedy and wanted them to grow faster >_< haha

so what do you think would be best, slowly weaning them to a lower light period over a month before i put them outside?
maybe something like
1 week of 18/6
1 week of 16/8
1 week of 14/10
1 week of 13/11

or something close to that?

 

[Darkdrae]

this might b helpful to some too: http://astro.unl.edu/classaction/animations/coordsmotion/daylighthoursexplorer.html

cool thanks, that is a nifty tool

 

[RollUpMikey]

Yep that's an awesome site. I'm glad I'm here with all the outdoor people now. I'm shooting for fully 100% leaving them outside around Apr too when I'm getting about 12.5/day. Can't wait to see how big your ladies get before then

 

[Darkdrae]

Yep that's an awesome site. I'm glad I'm here with all the outdoor people now. I'm shooting for fully 100% leaving them outside around Apr too when I'm getting about 12.5/day. Can't wait to see how big your ladies get before then

yea i cant wait to get rid of these t12s and get some real lighting, i bet they will explode with growth then >_<

 

[RollUpMikey]

yea i cant wait to get rid of these t12s and get some real lighting, i bet they will explode with growth then >_<

It's all gravy..

You still have 10 months before harvest.

They'll have time to grow before then

 

[Darkdrae]

haha you have a point there

 

[Darkdrae]

does anyone know a good place to get tiny bug netting. Ive been trying to find places online but i havent had any luck. i want to get some to try and keep small insects like white flys and aphids out. i want to put it over my courtyard area so i need like 20'x20'

 

[RollUpMikey]

That'll be cool if that courtyard gets screened in.. greenhouse almost. I'm debating doing a car-port.

 

[Darkdrae]

yea we get those stupid little caterpillar looking bugs here every time someone grows, i think i saw someone on here call them leaf rollers, or something like that. i dont want to try and deal with those bastards on 10 ft plants >_<

 

[RollUpMikey]

yeah that'd be a straight nightmare..

 

[doowmd]

there's 2 things I'm thinking about trying for insect control this season.

1)Imidacloprid- just read about it in another thread the other day. Googled it and u can get it as a fluid or granules and other forms, but basically you
can mix it(some forms of it) into your soil and it'll kill the bugs as they try to fuck w/ the plant.


But for those who are adverse to chemicals in their grow.....I'm on the fence, depending on need really, there is always the introduction of predator bugs into you garden, and I'm seriously considering getting:

2) Praying Mantis 2 Egg Cases or

Live Ladybugs - Hirt's Gardens - Approximately 1550 -Plus "Hirt's Nature Nectar"

or

Dr. Pye's Scanmask 7 Million Live Beneficial Nematodes - Kills Over 230 Bugs


After doing a little more reding on the "beneficial bugs" I thjink I'll order some of them. Only 5 bucks for the mantis eggs!

 

[Darkdrae]

there's 2 things I'm thinking about trying for insect control this season.

1)Imidacloprid- just read about it in another thread the other day. Googled it and u can get it as a fluid or granules and other forms, but basically you
can mix it(some forms of it) into your soil and it'll kill the bugs as they try to fuck w/ the plant.



But for those who are adverse to chemicals in their grow.....I'm on the fence, depending on need really, there is always the introduction of predator bugs into you garden, and I'm seriously considering getting:

2) Praying Mantis 2 Egg Cases or

Live Ladybugs - Hirt's Gardens - Approximately 1550 -Plus "Hirt's Nature Nectar"

or

Dr. Pye's Scanmask 7 Million Live Beneficial Nematodes - Kills Over 230 Bugs


After doing a little more reding on the "beneficial bugs" I thjink I'll order some of them. Only 5 bucks for the mantis eggs!

yea if i cant find a net ill prob have to go chemical, i like the idea of the helpful bugs but since its outside they will prob just fly away haha

 

[Darkdrae]

i got some liquid seaweed today

should i worry about not doing a full dose since they are still a bit small or should it not hurt them

 

[doowmd]

yea if i cant find a net ill prob have to go chemical, i like the idea of the helpful bugs but since its outside they will prob just fly away haha

That's the beauty of those mantis eggs: Hang 'em in the middle of your grow and they stay pretty much where they hatch! Put ya a tomato cage around one of your girls and hang the egg/s from it. I've read many a big name grower on here swear by this method

i got some liquid seaweed today

should i worry about not doing a full dose since they are still a bit small or should it not hurt them

When in doubt always error on the side of caution! 1/2 dose to start on seedlings/young plants and increase to full strength after about a month depending on growth.....
but the N/P/K ratio on that looks non-existent so IDK, really depends on what all else is in it. Is it straight "seaweed juice"? Again, I'd prolly refer back to the 1st sentence. Best advice an old timer ever gave me (*almost *)

 

[Darkdrae]

ohh really, that is interesting, ill have to give the mantis eggs a try


yea the bottle dosnt say much, here is the description of it from the website

Long known and used by farmers for its rich value, seaweed feeds plants with a wide range of nutrients, growth bio-stimulants and conditioners. Harvested along the Norwegian coastline, this is an organic, non-pollutant renewable resource. By increasing the levels of your plants chlorophyll production, Maxicrop stimulates their natural development and growth. Maxicrop functions as a catalyst to let your plants use the sun's energy more effectively promoting stronger, healthier growth. Maxicrop stimulates beneficial microbe activity which leads to improving your plants natural resistance to stresses. It creates a ''biological barrier" between your plants and pathogens.

Maxicrop contains a large complex of chelated minor elements to help lessen or nullify minor deficiencies in plants. It also contains important biogrowth stimulants, which have a tremendous effect on seed germination, root development, and general growth. Maxicrop's organic sugars are also available to the plants. Maxicrop can be used in both hydroponics and soil.

 

[RollUpMikey]

Is that 0-0-1 or 9-9-1?

 

[doowmd]

Reminds me alot of Superthirve.

[h=2]Product Description[/h] Classic and very popular vitamin and hormone mix. Use it for everything to reduce transplant shock to reviving dead plants. Has been proven effective time and again for decades.

I'd do the 1/2 dose method just in case.