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Sincerely420

Sincerely420

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I would just stop hitting it with N for a bit and let it work itself out...
There's not really much else you can do other than transplanting it....
If you use bottled nutrients you may be able to flush the soil with your next watering and wash some of those chems out....

If your growing organically you should transplant into another soil tho, because you can't really flush an organic soil :joint:

I mean you can to wash any built up salts outta the soil, but flushing an organic medium doesnt really do anything as far as removing nutes from it.
 
penguinking

penguinking

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yeah theres no need for an abundance of nitrogen in flowering. That may be why some leaves are doing the banana boat. Im pretty sure you should do a very thorough flush even in organics. I've heard you should actually flush longer in organic soil than you would need to in hydro simply because it takes that much more time to leach the soil of its nutrients. Thats just what all my homeys who grow organically do. Im in a soiless medium ( prelite/coco and a few amendments) I do a very intense flushing regimen...
 
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Sincerely420

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penguinking said:
yeah theres no need for an abundance of nitrogen in flowering. That may be why some leaves are doing the banana boat. Im pretty sure you should do a very thorough flush even in organics. I've heard you should actually flush longer in organic soil than you would need to in hydro simply because it takes that much more time to leach the soil of its nutrients. Thats just what all my homeys who grow organically do. Im in a soiless medium ( prelite/coco and a few amendments) I do a very intense flushing regimen...
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In organics there's nothing to flush bro. You can't flush the nutes out of the soil. At best you can washout any salts that build up.
Gardening with chemicals it's a different story tho. In organics the nutes are a part of the soil tho so you really can't wash them out.
Theyll breakdown down a little with every watering so flushing the soil should do the opposite In good organic soil, which is release nutes or create a mucky eviroment after alls said and done. So IMO watering only the last two weeks, and not to an excess is the best route to go organic wise.

There should only ever be an excess in the soil that should remain there, if there's an excess of anything. The plant will use what nutes it needs as they're available and other remain within bacteria and fungi. Organic soils hold on to nutes very well, while what's not used immediately by the plant when gardening with chemicals should just wash thru.
Think about it bra....how would your wash away bacteria and fungi in your soil? They trap nuts within for future plant use if not needed right away

that my 2cents! What do you believe happens when you flush an organic soil? Just curious as to what you've learned :joint:
 
penguinking

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I don't grow organically as I said, but I have lots of friends that do. I had one friend in particular that was tired of buying new soil everytime he cropped out. So he tried to reuse the same organic soil that he had used in his previous grow. He had a lot of problems that arose. I know he had lot of deficiency issues that he normally wouldn't have had in fresh soil. I also know that he had to battle to get the pH back in check... The next grow with old soil he did, he amended it. Worm castings, seabird guano, bone meal, blood meal, kelp meal, etc... He had amazing results with the same old soil that gave him so much guff the run before. This leads me to believe that the soil WAS leached of quite a few micro/macro nutrients. There is a point at which soil is not as fertile after a harvest, which is why many indoor and mostly ourdoor growers amend their soil for years to come. I'm by no means an organic guru... I use synthetic nutes because I like playing chemist ( and my herb is substantially better ) To answer your question on how you would wash away beneficial bacteria theres one way that comes to mind. H202... That will completely sterilize and kill anything living in the medium... After that a good shot of hygrozyme or any other enzymatic cleanser should wash away all the dead material left behind.

I mean even outdoor growers that I know flush the shit outta their plants before harvest... Are you suggesting that flushing in organics does nothing?

peace- PK
 
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Sincerely420

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"I don't grow organically as I said, but I have lots of friends that do. I had one friend in particular that was tired of buying new soil everytime he cropped out. So he tried to reuse the same organic soil that he had used in his previous grow. He had a lot of problems that arose. I know he had lot of deficiency issues that he normally wouldn't have had in fresh soil"
-You can re-amend and re-cycle tho soil again for use. A good replenishing of the compost source should keep the PH where it needs to be.

"The next grow with old soil he did, he amended it. Worm castings, seabird guano, bone meal, blood meal, kelp meal, etc... He had amazing results with the same old soil that gave him so much guff the run before. This leads me to believe that the soil WAS leached of quite a few micro/macro nutrients"

-I'm thinking more along the lines that the soil wasn't leached of any nutrients, but rather depleted and used by the plants. Some of the amendments take much longer than one growth cycle to do what they're meant to in the soil, so you lightly amend it after use from what I've learned. I'm not a guru either. More like an interested noob.
Your compost source should retain much of anything that your trying to wash away with a flush, so it would seems like you'd have to wash all the life outta your soil to flush it. Water soluble bottled nutes wash thru.

& H202 has no place near an organic garden bro. You don't wanna sterilze or kill ANYTHING in an organic medium. You wanna constantly replenish the ecosystem with life.
And Im suggesting that an organic flush isn't the same thing as a chemical flush. They don't serve the same purpose.
A chemical flush will help you wash away any of the left over water soluble nutes...and organic flush will help with excess salts.
The nutes we add in the form of amendments don't react with the plants the same way that chemical bottled nutes do

Much love homie:joint:
 
thatsmessedup

thatsmessedup

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we got 3 things in common.
1. both running 150 watts hps
2. both doing DBD
3. both have a les paul custom.
rock on.

BTW just posted my grow in my journal if you want to compare. your doing a good job.
 
Xrangex

Xrangex

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Day 60 from seed
Not much is new, i've been looking at the buds alot lately and i'm fairly positive that #2 is gonna be the overall dankest, look at the pictures and you'll see what i mean kind of... if you could see it up close and compare smells and crystals you'd say the same thing.
I'm thinking #1 will be my heavy yeilder (dank and crystal packed as well) #2 will be my CRYSTAL fucked smaller bud-dank plant (just like the bud i found the seeds in) and #3 will be my extra, it's got alot of leaves compared to pistles, so hopefully it will be sweet and dank like the other two but we'll see :)
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Lookin gewd.
 
penguinking

penguinking

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Sincerely420 said:
-I'm thinking more along the lines that the soil wasn't leached of any nutrients, but rather depleted and used by the plants. Some of the amendments take much longer than one growth cycle to do what they're meant to in the soil, so you lightly amend it after use from what I've learned. I'm not a guru either. More like an interested noob.
Your compost source should retain much of anything that your trying to wash away with a flush, so it would seems like you'd have to wash all the life outta your soil to flush it. Water soluble bottled nutes wash thru.

& H202 has no place near an organic garden bro. You don't wanna sterilze or kill ANYTHING in an organic medium. You wanna constantly replenish the ecosystem with life.
And Im suggesting that an organic flush isn't the same thing as a chemical flush. They don't serve the same purpose.
A chemical flush will help you wash away any of the left over water soluble nutes...and organic flush will help with excess salts.
The nutes we add in the form of amendments don't react with the plants the same way that chemical bottled nutes do

Much love homie:joint:
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I was just speaking with my friend about this thread. He has grown organically for years. He agreed with me that a good long flush is completely necessary in harvesting weed that doesn't taste like shit, smell like shit, and sparkle when lit. If you're not flushing your plants, you should be... No disrespect at all, bro. seriously.
You asked me how I proposed to flush beneficial bacteria and I gave you a very simple way to do so. Would I personally put H202 into an organic garden of mine?? prob not. but you definitely could...

Word-age aside, weather leaching or depleted, plants use up the nutes (organic or synthetic) that they are given, and a proper flush is commonplace, unless you are a dutch grower ( I have heard they don't bother flushing their weed) all the weed I smoked in Amsterdam didn't even ALMOST touch sides to the dispensaries in Cali and Oregon... west-side, baby
 
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It's snowing 5 feet from my girls, but its tropical inside the room :) Even the larger leaves are crystallizing
 
Sincerely420

Sincerely420

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penguinking said:
I was just speaking with my friend about this thread. He has grown organically for years. He agreed with me that a good long flush is completely necessary in harvesting weed that doesn't taste like shit, smell like shit, and sparkle when lit. If you're not flushing your plants, you should be... No disrespect at all, bro. seriously.
You asked me how I proposed to flush beneficial bacteria and I gave you a very simple way to do so. Would I personally put H202 into an organic garden of mine?? prob not. but you definitely could...

Word-age aside, weather leaching or depleted, plants use up the nutes (organic or synthetic) that they are given, and a proper flush is commonplace, unless you are a dutch grower ( I have heard they don't bother flushing their weed) all the weed I smoked in Amsterdam didn't even ALMOST touch sides to the dispensaries in Cali and Oregon... west-side, baby
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I'll agree to disagree with you bro. And likewise no disrespect haha. It's all love bro.
But I've been doing a lot of reading man. A LOT. And I'm not claiming to know it all or anything, but I know for sure that an organic flush isn't anything like a chem flush.

Ask your friend what is he attempting to remove with an organic flush?
And what dos he do when he flushes?
I'm curious to see what he says.
Based on all I've learned so far, when growing organically, the plants take what they need from the soil and only that. There is no excess to flush, even then you can't flush a good organic soil. You'd have to wash the soil away to flush it.

What isn't needed by our plants remains in the soil until it is needed. As microbes die or are consumed they nutes stored within them are released in a plant ready form.
But as they live, the keep nutes stored within. Pouring Peroxide on them would kill them. Causing what was within them to become immediately free. In theory it seems like that should flood the plants with nutes maybe burning them.

And I'm gonna re-amend, re-cycle, and re-use my soil after I harvest. Im sure I'm not nearly the only organic gardener doing this, but there i no way that pour Peroxide on my soil knowing that my purpose is to constantly replenish life.

But Ask your friend what is he attempting to remove with an organic flush?
And what dos he do when he flushes?
I'm curious to see what he says.

I'm an open mind bro and im anxious to see what his logic is :joint:
 
Sincerely420

Sincerely420

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Xrangex said:
Day 60 from seed
Not much is new, i've been looking at the buds alot lately and i'm fairly positive that #2 is gonna be the overall dankest, look at the pictures and you'll see what i mean kind of... if you could see it up close and compare smells and crystals you'd say the same thing.
I'm thinking #1 will be my heavy yeilder (dank and crystal packed as well) #2 will be my CRYSTAL fucked smaller bud-dank plant (just like the bud i found the seeds in) and #3 will be my extra, it's got alot of leaves compared to pistles, so hopefully it will be sweet and dank like the other two but we'll see :)
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Lookin gewd.
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How many weeks flowering? 4 1/2-5 I'm guessing?
 
penguinking

penguinking

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everyone i know who grows flushes their plants. period. ph balanced water for a good 10-14 days. you should triple the volume of the container with water. meaning if you grow in a 5 gal bucket, flush with 15 gallons of water. do that 5 or 6 times over a couple weeks thats all. you asked how you would go about killing beneficial bacteria and i told you. did i recommend it? no... i fully understand how bennies work in organics, and how to use them with synthetics as well. what is my friend attempting to do when flushing??? umm, flush all the organic nutrients that he uses out of the root zone? thus forcing the plant to use the last of its resources and fully mature. enhance flavor, smell, taste, everything... do you not use nutrients or something? do you seriously not flush your plants??
 
Sincerely420

Sincerely420

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You CAN NOT rinse organic nutes out of the rhizosphere is what I'm saying. They get broken down and comsumed so they remain in the soil until they're needed or consumed.

Plants grown organically shouldn't have an excess of nutes as they take what they need to use and only that. Everything i put in my soil is slow release. None of the nutes are available for the plant until the soil has processed them so to speak.

I'm saying all the living things in our soil, keep nutes from being washed away.
And that if you put peroxide on your soil, you're literally killing it. Not flushing it.

Now bottled nutes......thats a different story. they wash right thru. They also are immediately available to the plants when you pour them on the roots, but they do nothing as far as improving the soil structure.

With a solid soil you should NOT be able to wash shit out haha. Literally.
Bacteria fix N and they're ABUNDANT in good soils.
Sure you maybe be able to remove a little of something, but not nearly like you would be if flushing a chemical grow, which raises the question...
Should you really flush an organic soil??

But like I said bro, I'll agree to disagree. Atleast both are POVs are here for the taking so that the Range can take from everything what he will.
I'm sticking to my guns and your sticking to yours so that's that lol. I'll be doing more and more reading on flushing here in the next couple weeks :joint:
 
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