When to transplant?

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bmeat

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RedEyed NattyDread said:
has anybody used general organics nutes ?
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im using espoma fish emulsion, and i plant to switch to general organics biobloom. looks like good stuff, with added micronutes.

they make you overuse their product though, no need to. the biothrive grow and bloom are concentrated producs. the bioroot and biomarine is also pretty strong.

the rest are .0001-.0001.-.0001 stuff if you know what i mean, real watered down.
 
Nitro1990

Nitro1990

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im gonna say this in the most simple terms possible

Stop reading into the dna and all that other crap and learn the basics i mean we keep trying to give you a break and help you but you wont listen you keep giving bad advice time after time stop it and learn when your out of your depth
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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bmeat said:
dont get me wrong, youre correct. coco is treated as hydro, and therefore has no biota. hence why it needs so many frequent feedings.
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biota does not keep your plant alive.

It merely assists the plant. The plant's roots are perfectly capable of getting their own food.
 
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bmeat

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Flaming Pie said:
biota does not keep your plant alive.

It merely assists the plant. The plant's roots are perfectly capable of getting their own food.
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understood. if you promote the biota though, they will break down food for the plant

if you dont have biota, then you need to feed more frequently, which i dont like doing

which is why i say i only have to feed once a month or every other month

i guess feeding is really up to the individual and how he/she conducts their farming
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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The reason hydro growers feed more often, is because they have no soil to hold nutrients for the plant. It has nothing to do with biota.

Also hydro growers are feeding diluted amounts so they CAN feed more often.

Soil will hold on to excess nutrients that can be used by the roots when the plant requires it. Hydro has to mimic this by having nutes in the water (at a diluted amount) so that the plant can always have access to what it needs.

Again, it has nothing to do with biota.
 
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im sorry, but ill have to disagree. in nature, the way that it was invented, the biota has everything to do with the food in the soil. someones doing the work outside since were not always there feeding every plant in the wild. whos doing the work? the biota that god created, that is part of the delicate but complete cycle of life.

without biota, compost wouldnt compost.

Five functions mediated by the soil biota are 1) the formation and turnover of soil organic matter (OM) that includes mineralization and sequestration of C, 2) nutrient cycling, 3) disease transmission and prevention, 4) pollutant degradation, and 5) improvement of soil structure (Gupta et al. 1997) (Figure 2).


http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/the-soil-biota-84078125

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Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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the nutrients we add to soil are already broken down to be readily absorbed by roots.

Roots absorb nutrients through a process called diffusion.

Diffusion moves the nutrients into the roots when the concentration of nutrients inside the roots is less than the concentration outside the roots.
 
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bmeat

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Nitro1990 said:
then why are you telling me i will kill my boita if im over nutes my plants if my nutes have it in you moron!
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your nutes dont have biota/life in them. synthetic nutes KILL biota. you can get by without biota, its not natural or the way its supposed to be, but you can. just requires you to feed more and use more product becuase there is no biota doing the feeding work for you.

some nutes do have biota in them. the organic soil starters and "added mycorrhizae" nutes have biota in them, which will populate your soil, and require you to feed a lot less.

chemical nutes are non organic nutes. they usually get these from ammonium nitrate and stuff, which are harsh salts that can burn the plant easily.

hydro has no soil, so no soil life/biota. requires you to supplement feeding a lot more.

i think biota grown cannabis will taste better

im actually selling a pound of 4-3-3 feed with a bunch of added biota if you want to give it a try.

its called espoma biotone plus. anyone interested? 15oz. its feather meal, chicken shit, cocoa meal, bone meal, alfalfa meal, greensane, humates, potash and sulfate of magnesia, plus 1341 colony forming units of biota

$10 bucks for the pound.
 
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bmeat

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not necessary, but in the end it will save you $$ on nutes, and it will make the smoke more pleasent and higher quality.
 
mushead

mushead

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ive never seen anyone over feed or lockout if they were using true organics. doesnt mean it cant happen i tho, its just harder.. as far as transplanting, try to move them at least a week before you plan to flower. some get stressed and need the time to recover and get comfortable. ive seen grows where people tansplant and then flower right away, there plants barely stretched at all, but its strain dependent too and im sure youll here that alot for a few problems. knowing your strain is the key. the main difference between hydro nutes and organic in my opinion is there method of action. if you only grow in water, you need everything added to your nutes water obviously but they need to be easy for the plant to take in. nutrient chelation might explain it better than this however. as far as feed rate, that not really a question any of us can answer but you. let your plants tell you when there hungry and lift them to check for wieght or stick a dry finger in the pot to see if its moist. moisture=no watering. if you think there staying too wet, get out a big fan and blast them with some air.
 
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