Harrekin
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Cos selective breeding is nature man, and we're not nature...man.Amen brother! GMO and selective cross breeding are the same thing. Why don't those fear mongers know this?
Cos selective breeding is nature man, and we're not nature...man.Amen brother! GMO and selective cross breeding are the same thing. Why don't those fear mongers know this?
I don't think that re-sequencing and mix matching DNA can quite be described as 'speeding up the process', in fact imo it is the process (even with forced cross pollination) that is pivotal. The process of 'gene splicing' produces equations that traditional procreation methods (including forced cross pollination) do not produce. What comes from gene splicing is a forced DNA sequence.Wa? More subtle humor maybe.
Selective breeding is not natural. Unless you mean Darwin. You specifically don't allow the strongest bull, that is mean as dirt, with an evil stink eye, to breed to your friendly cow girls. You find a nice bull with straight teeth, from a decent family and with good grades. One that is known to produce safe to handle, milk cows.
So, you can experiment with cross breeding... wheat, for example, until you are pretty sure how it works. That takes us to the 60 - 70s. Then you can begin to experiment with the findings of DNA science. But, we know it is the same thing. Now finally we can see a way to make a more heat resistant wheat strain by snipping the little booger of DNA that is from a strain that is heat resistant, sure, but that has nothing else to offer. Low yield. Slow grow, whatever.
In fact, to try to selectively breed for this trait, well, it's regressive and it just was not successful.
To do the same thing in months not decades (if we get really lucky)...is just cut, snip, nip, tuck. Put the gene in already. It is exactly the same as trying to trick the gene in, over generations with back breeding, line breeding, etc.
Still no scientific journals?I don't think that re-sequencing and mix matching DNA can quite be described as 'speeding up the process', in fact imo it is the process (even with forced cross pollination) that is pivotal. The process of 'gene splicing' produces equations that traditional procreation methods (including forced cross pollination) do not produce. What comes from gene splicing is a forced DNA sequence.
When the collective nature sequences DNA its all based on automatic calculations of ALL the possible variables/numbers that are within that particular equation of life much like our computers work only in comparison our computers are like 'easy bake ovens' compared to the finest oven ever built and even that comparison falls short because our lack of numbers in this area of building life equations has far greater potential consequences than just one person made sick by a cake they bought from the 'easy bake' oven. This scenario gives way to possibilities of everyone being effected due to the chain reactive nature of life itself and how such carries over into genetic engineering technology etc.
The best way I have found to explain comes ironically from one of the horses mouth spitting out the infamous and all powerful Rumsfeld quote of destiny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RpSv3HjpEw
This other quote from a response to the quote of destiny is also helpful in this discussion:
"Known unknowns - things we know we need to research, the results of that research might take more or less time, but we know we can figure it out before we invest into this project.
Unknown unknowns - We will start the project not knowing these things will be a problem. These will derail our project in ways we can not foresee.
Given the context it might be a silly statement, but in and of itself it explains the mentality of approaching larger projects quite succinctly."
dude i went round and round with dnaprotection and his dingbat ladies auxilliary.Yeah, the conversation is increasingly politically fear based. A genetic ludite argument. And gene splicing is a lot more simple than you think. Day glow frogs, worms, etc. have been produced from a florescence gene in bacteria. It is really very simple and getting more so.
And I owe my life to re-recombinant techniques and I like to know exactly what I'm injecting. So, I know quite a bit about it.
The future of this is only frightening for those who are motivated by fear.
Will there be families that adopt a Wolf nose as their "tattoo?" Yeah, there got the Wolfson family. Oh, have you seen the Goldfishers lately? They have a new baby fin!
Yet, there has never been a monstrous, altered life set loose on us. The safeguard which are strict and multi-lyaered, no single point failure, etc. have never been breached.
I remember the fiasco about the Strawberry virus fear. It will get loose! It did. Nothing happened.
So, tell us one example were this Criton horror show has even threatened to occur with an Ag product.
Cannabis consuming fungi.dude i went round and round with dnaprotection and his dingbat ladies auxilliary.
they are contemptuous of evidence, ignorant of the scientific method, disdainful of any who disagree, and requests for support for their charges results in more outlandish charges. they have failed to provide a single iota of evidence for their views save the french onco-mouse "experiment" with no controls, no methodology and no useful results (except that mice fed roundup live longer than other mice deprived the health benefits of roundup)
any negative condition you might mention, from "global warming" to "morgellon's disease" to Near Earth Crossing Asteroids can be blamed on GMO food, and Monsanto is some way.
dont bother trying to correct these dolts' foolish lies, they are shouting at clouds.
roflmao, what fungi is this? Is this a new one, or the old rumor circulated from 1999, when they also threatened to spread things to wipe out poppy and coca?Cannabis consuming fungi.
Rolfcopter.
GAYprotection actually asserted it was a viable weapon.roflmao, what fungi is this? Is this a new one, or the old rumor circulated from 1999, when they also threatened to spread things to wipe out poppy and coca?
Viable weapon? Yes, so viable it was threatened in `99.. and 14 years later, nothing has originated in any fashion. Huge threat there - this guy runs a good race with Finshaggy for the heavily challenged award.GAYprotection actually asserted it was a viable weapon.
Hes mentally retarded you see.
meh, its the same old shitroflmao, what fungi is this? Is this a new one, or the old rumor circulated from 1999, when they also threatened to spread things to wipe out poppy and coca?
GMO fail: Monsanto foiled by feds, Supreme Court, and scienceJust flyin bye'...should keep this thread alive for updates that are soon to come.
My guess is that sometime before the end of 2014 the feds will bring legislation that will settle all the questions on this thread about genetically engineered cannabis, and that the wa,co laws will be the catalyst that ushers in Monsanto et al 'cannabis'.
http://washingtonstatewire.com/blog/look-out-for-the-little-guy-liquor-control-board-is-told-at-first-hearing-on-marijuana-legalization/
doc, to anyone who understands even the most basics aspects of biotech and who understands that there are limits to what we now know about such and there are no known limits to what we don't know about such, you and the SHDT may as well be yapping like dingo's...
[video=youtube;y0WtvGJGsEk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0WtvGJGsEk[/video]
Monsanto et al's continuing effort to et al...
http://www.naturalnews.com/038779_farm_bill_Monsanto_public_outcry.html#ixzz2 JJaEjxJy
in a STUNNING departure from his usual nonsensical blathering, dnaprotection has actually posted a link that not only is somewhat reputable, not driven by agenda, and amazingly, also SUPPORTS HIS POSITION (but only in the broad strokes, ie. "Gmo Is not all that it is cracked up to be...")Sorry, if I'm held to a standard of needing legitimate studies for an argument to count, nothing less than medical journals, official FDA and other reputable lab links will count for you either - Care to try again, DNAProtection?
Emphasis on stunning, I'm sort of in shock at this point.. rarely do I have nothing to say - but this is one of those times. Well done on the attempt!in a STUNNING departure from his usual nonsensical blathering, dnaprotection has actually posted a link that not only is somewhat reputable, not driven by agenda, and amazingly, also SUPPORTS HIS POSITION (but only in the broad strokes, ie. "Gmo Is not all that it is cracked up to be...")
http://www.fwi.co.uk/articles/06/02/2013/137518/us-farmers-may-stop-planting-gms-after-poor-global-yields.htm
of course he posted it as a nonfunctional link, so on the whole, he's still failing, but it looks like he actually tried this time.
and ill be slanging that Naturally Grown Cali Red, OG Kush and 707 Headband from ny Natural Dope Kiosk at the farmers market.Well, to say it is all a failure means that GM is over. Low yields. Busybody interference from the FUDers, the ignorance and lies of the Organics Lobby, has killed it. No worries.
Just mount a human rights opposition, on the very solid grounds of.....no solid ground. That should work.
I'll guess that by the end of 2014 exactly nothing has been decided. And I will guess that the current produce patenting laws will be just fine for Monsanto and Cannabis. And for that I will be forever grateful.
Monsanto Authentic Himalayan Ganja, Strain 204....my future possible favorite. Or Tailored Genome #6. It goes perfect with any Wine and Cheese pairing.
Why would they do anything but make it more saleable? There will be fuck ups. Bling Sponge Dog Breath will likely fail and be laughed at on the Daily Show. But, Red Shaved Slim is always a favorite.
Yes, I predict that if there is money in it for the USA, then we can eventually have it back, like alcohol. Luddites have no imagination and can't stop progress, iac.
You won't find anything from the FDA they don't test the food, they rely on the documents/studies etc. submitted by the manufacturerSorry, if I'm held to a standard of needing legitimate studies for an argument to count, nothing less than medical journals, official FDA and other reputable lab links will count for you either - Care to try again, DNAProtection?