Harrekin
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Cos selective breeding is nature man, and we're not nature...man.Amen brother! GMO and selective cross breeding are the same thing. Why don't those fear mongers know this?
Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013
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Doer
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Wa? More subtle humor maybe.
Selective breeding is not natural. Unless you mean Darwin. You specifically don't allow the strongest bull, that is mean as dirt, with an evil stink eye, to breed to your friendly cow girls. You find a nice bull with straight teeth, from a decent family and with good grades. One that is known to produce safe to handle, milk cows.
So, you can experiment with cross breeding... wheat, for example, until you are pretty sure how it works. That takes us to the 60 - 70s. Then you can begin to experiment with the findings of DNA science. But, we know it is the same thing. Now finally we can see a way to make a more heat resistant wheat strain by snipping the little booger of DNA that is from a strain that is heat resistant, sure, but that has nothing else to offer. Low yield. Slow grow, whatever.
In fact, to try to selectively breed for this trait, well, it's regressive and it just was not successful.
To do the same thing in months not decades (if we get really lucky)...is just cut, snip, nip, tuck. Put the gene in already. It is exactly the same as trying to trick the gene in, over generations with back breeding, line breeding, etc.
Selective breeding is not natural. Unless you mean Darwin. You specifically don't allow the strongest bull, that is mean as dirt, with an evil stink eye, to breed to your friendly cow girls. You find a nice bull with straight teeth, from a decent family and with good grades. One that is known to produce safe to handle, milk cows.
So, you can experiment with cross breeding... wheat, for example, until you are pretty sure how it works. That takes us to the 60 - 70s. Then you can begin to experiment with the findings of DNA science. But, we know it is the same thing. Now finally we can see a way to make a more heat resistant wheat strain by snipping the little booger of DNA that is from a strain that is heat resistant, sure, but that has nothing else to offer. Low yield. Slow grow, whatever.
In fact, to try to selectively breed for this trait, well, it's regressive and it just was not successful.
To do the same thing in months not decades (if we get really lucky)...is just cut, snip, nip, tuck. Put the gene in already. It is exactly the same as trying to trick the gene in, over generations with back breeding, line breeding, etc.
DNAprotection
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I don't think that re-sequencing and mix matching DNA can quite be described as 'speeding up the process', in fact imo it is the process (even with forced cross pollination) that is pivotal. The process of 'gene splicing' produces equations that traditional procreation methods (including forced cross pollination) do not produce. What comes from gene splicing is a forced DNA sequence.
When the collective nature sequences DNA its all based on automatic calculations of ALL the possible variables/numbers that are within that particular equation of life much like our computers work only in comparison our computers are like 'easy bake ovens' compared to the finest oven ever built and even that comparison falls short because our lack of numbers in this area of building life equations has far greater potential consequences than just one person made sick by a cake they bought from the 'easy bake' oven. This scenario gives way to possibilities of everyone being effected due to the chain reactive nature of life itself and how such carries over into genetic engineering technology etc.
The best way I have found to explain comes ironically from one of the horses mouth spitting out the infamous and all powerful Rumsfeld quote of destiny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RpSv3HjpEw
This other quote from a response to the quote of destiny is also helpful in this discussion:
"Known unknowns - things we know we need to research, the results of that research might take more or less time, but we know we can figure it out before we invest into this project.
Unknown unknowns - We will start the project not knowing these things will be a problem. These will derail our project in ways we can not foresee.
Given the context it might be a silly statement, but in and of itself it explains the mentality of approaching larger projects quite succinctly."
Harrekin
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Doer
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Yeah, the conversation is increasingly politically fear based. A genetic ludite argument. And gene splicing is a lot more simple than you think. Day glow frogs, worms, etc. have been produced from a florescence gene in bacteria. It is really very simple and getting more so.
And I owe my life to re-recombinant techniques and I like to know exactly what I'm injecting. So, I know quite a bit about it.
The future of this is only frightening for those who are motivated by fear.
Will there be families that adopt a Wolf nose as their "tattoo?" Yeah, there got the Wolfson family. Oh, have you seen the Goldfishers lately? They have a new baby fin!
Yet, there has never been a monstrous, altered life set loose on us. The safeguard which are strict and multi-lyaered, no single point failure, etc. have never been breached.
I remember the fiasco about the Strawberry virus fear. It will get loose! It did. Nothing happened.
So, tell us one example were this Criton horror show has even threatened to occur with an Ag product.
And I owe my life to re-recombinant techniques and I like to know exactly what I'm injecting. So, I know quite a bit about it.
The future of this is only frightening for those who are motivated by fear.
Will there be families that adopt a Wolf nose as their "tattoo?" Yeah, there got the Wolfson family. Oh, have you seen the Goldfishers lately? They have a new baby fin!
Yet, there has never been a monstrous, altered life set loose on us. The safeguard which are strict and multi-lyaered, no single point failure, etc. have never been breached.
I remember the fiasco about the Strawberry virus fear. It will get loose! It did. Nothing happened.
So, tell us one example were this Criton horror show has even threatened to occur with an Ag product.
Dr Kynes
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dude i went round and round with dnaprotection and his dingbat ladies auxilliary.
they are contemptuous of evidence, ignorant of the scientific method, disdainful of any who disagree, and requests for support for their charges results in more outlandish charges. they have failed to provide a single iota of evidence for their views save the french onco-mouse "experiment" with no controls, no methodology and no useful results (except that mice fed roundup live longer than other mice deprived the health benefits of roundup)
any negative condition you might mention, from "global warming" to "morgellon's disease" to Near Earth Crossing Asteroids can be blamed on GMO food, and Monsanto is some way.
dont bother trying to correct these dolts' foolish lies, they are shouting at clouds.
Harrekin
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Figong
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roflmao, what fungi is this? Is this a new one, or the old rumor circulated from 1999, when they also threatened to spread things to wipe out poppy and coca?
ChesusRice
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God I sure do hope they produce a cocaine tomato
Harrekin
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Figong
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Viable weapon? Yes, so viable it was threatened in `99.. and 14 years later, nothing has originated in any fashion. Huge threat there - this guy runs a good race with Finshaggy for the heavily challenged award.
Dr Kynes
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meh, its the same old shit
The Lie: the gubmint, UC Davis and Monsanto have teamed up to GMO the shit out of Fusarium Leaf Wilt to make it into a weapon against dope.
The Truth: There is not, nor was there ever any such program, one DEA manager in the early 90's proposed using Fusarium or some other natural plant pathogen to target weed, poppies and coca, it never went anyhwere, it was a pipe dream.
The Troof!!!: The porogram is real, but just so secret nobody talks about it, its a conspiracy so nefarious that only The Complete Lack Of Any Evidence Whatsoever can prove that it's real!
DNAprotection
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GMO fail: Monsanto foiled by feds, Supreme Court, and science
http://grist.org/article/gmo-fail-monsanto-foiled-by-feds-supreme-court-and-science/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=update
US farmers may stop planting GMs after poor global yields
http://www.fwi.co.uk/articles/06/02/2013/137518/us-farmers-may-stop-planting-gms-after-poor-global-yields.htm
Seed Giants Sue U.S. Farmers Over Genetically Modified Seed Patents In Shocking Numbers: Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/13/genetically-modified-seed-patent-report_n_2678837.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false
Will a Federal Compromise on GMO Labeling Trump State Law, Forever?
http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/02/will-a-federal-compromise-on-gmo-labeling-trump-state-law-forever/#.USJTD2es40h
Genetically Engineered Trees for Bioenergy Pose Major Threat to Southern Forests
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_27038.cfm
Dr Kynes
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mindlessly quoting yourself, then posting trash links nobody will likely read based on your previous track record of re-posting the same trash over and over.
trash which doesnt even defend your position.
do you even know how a forum works?
this is an arena for discussion, not a "Free Speech Zone" full of soap-box preachers, raving cassandras and shouting morons like alex jones.
defend your positions or go away.
trash which doesnt even defend your position.
do you even know how a forum works?
this is an arena for discussion, not a "Free Speech Zone" full of soap-box preachers, raving cassandras and shouting morons like alex jones.
defend your positions or go away.
Dr Kynes
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in a STUNNING departure from his usual nonsensical blathering, dnaprotection has actually posted a link that not only is somewhat reputable, not driven by agenda, and amazingly, also SUPPORTS HIS POSITION (but only in the broad strokes, ie. "Gmo Is not all that it is cracked up to be...")
http://www.fwi.co.uk/articles/06/02/2013/137518/us-farmers-may-stop-planting-gms-after-poor-global-yields.htm
of course he posted it as a nonfunctional link, so on the whole, he's still failing, but it looks like he actually tried this time.
Figong
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Emphasis on stunning, I'm sort of in shock at this point.. rarely do I have nothing to say - but this is one of those times. Well done on the attempt!
Doer
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Well, to say it is all a failure means that GM is over. Low yields. Busybody interference from the FUDers, the ignorance and lies of the Organics Lobby, has killed it. No worries.
Just mount a human rights opposition, on the very solid grounds of.....no solid ground. That should work.
I'll guess that by the end of 2014 exactly nothing has been decided. And I will guess that the current produce patenting laws will be just fine for Monsanto and Cannabis. And for that I will be forever grateful.
Monsanto Authentic Himalayan Ganja, Strain 204....my future possible favorite. Or Tailored Genome #6. It goes perfect with any Wine and Cheese pairing.
Why would they do anything but make it more saleable? There will be fuck ups. Bling Sponge Dog Breath will likely fail and be laughed at on the Daily Show. But, Red Shaved Slim is always a favorite.
Yes, I predict that if there is money in it for the USA, then we can eventually have it back, like alcohol. Luddites have no imagination and can't stop progress, iac.
Just mount a human rights opposition, on the very solid grounds of.....no solid ground. That should work.
I'll guess that by the end of 2014 exactly nothing has been decided. And I will guess that the current produce patenting laws will be just fine for Monsanto and Cannabis. And for that I will be forever grateful.
Monsanto Authentic Himalayan Ganja, Strain 204....my future possible favorite. Or Tailored Genome #6. It goes perfect with any Wine and Cheese pairing.
Why would they do anything but make it more saleable? There will be fuck ups. Bling Sponge Dog Breath will likely fail and be laughed at on the Daily Show. But, Red Shaved Slim is always a favorite.
Yes, I predict that if there is money in it for the USA, then we can eventually have it back, like alcohol. Luddites have no imagination and can't stop progress, iac.
Dr Kynes
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and ill be slanging that Naturally Grown Cali Red, OG Kush and 707 Headband from ny Natural Dope Kiosk at the farmers market.
echelon1k1
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You won't find anything from the FDA they don't test the food, they rely on the documents/studies etc. submitted by the manufacturer