Carne Seca
Well-Known Member
There is one small problem with your conspiracy theory. He actually murdered innocent people.
"Burn that fucking house down!"
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So it's okay to murder him but only if he happened to be shooting at that time? They can't do the same thing hours later?
Fungus Gnat
Well-Known Member
Anyone can break, lost his job. The lapd reported his "false report" to the navy and got his security clearance pulled. They supported his senior officer when it's pretty clear she did kick the mentally ill man they were trying to arrest.
Doesn't justify what he did but atleast shows you what the "blue line" creates with oversight provided by other cops.
He could have, or it could also have been set up and planned beforehand. Names can be made up, "witnesses" can be hired, etc. Not saying it happened but it's possible.
theQuetzalcoatl
Active Member
No, they can't. In an instance where the person of interest (because lets face it guilty or not he never got a trial) is for all intents and purposes subdued, lethal force is illegal.
Carne Seca
Well-Known Member
i'll invoke Occam's razor here. The LAPD is clearly corrupt but killing innocent civilians to make a political point is a little far fetched.
AND it's quite clear you have a political agenda yourself.
I see your point. I would think that Dorner was just standing up against the corrupt LAPD but didn't he tie up innocent people as well? Then it's just scum versus scum. Edit: then again, the media could've just made that part up.
blacksun
New Member
It happens all the time, what do you mean? Innocent lives are lost everyday in foreign countries due to American soldiers.i'll invoke Occam's razor here. The LAPD is clearly corrupt but killing innocent civilians to make a political point is a little far fetched.
AND it's quite clear you have a political agenda yourself.
dirtsurfr
Well-Known Member
Kill em all let God figure it out!!
If one man can wreak so much havoc on and tie up so many resources of the LAPD, imagine what a squad of Donners could accomplish. Or an even larger group, such as a gang like the crips, if their leadership decided to give orders to their gang members to shoot every cop they see....i think the LAPD would implode.
And besides, we all know that its is only legal to have a kill list with American citizens on it if you happen to have the full force of the DOJ behind you.
Carne Seca
Well-Known Member
Nice straw man attempt but I'm not biting.
theQuetzalcoatl
Active Member
no? What about just gently raking it with your teeth?
Not a strawman argument at all. Your response is a good way to cop out though.
Carne Seca
Well-Known Member
Punny. Not a cop out. Just not wanting to be your catalyst to derail this thread into a gun control debate. You've been trying to do that since you started posting in this thread. If you want gun control debate then visit the politics forum. They will be more than happy to accommodate you.
It most certainly was.
"A straw man or straw person, also known in the UK as an Aunt Sally,[1][2] is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[3] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and to refute it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[3][4] This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged, emotional issues."
ClaytonBigsby
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[h=1]Christopher Dorner manhunt: Two innocent women shot by LAPD officers had "no warning"[/h]
Law enforcement officers look over the scene of an officer involved shooting in Torrance, Calif., Thursday, Feb. 7, 2013. The shooting is believed to related to the manhunt for fired Los Angeles police officer, Christopher Dorner. / AP Photo/Chris Carlson
LOS ANGELES The two women who were mistakenly shot by LAPD officers searching for triple murder suspect Christopher Dorner Thursday said they had no warning beforehand, the victims' lawyer told CBS Los Angeles.
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[h=3]Police may be closing in on shooting spree suspect[/h]
Attorney Glen Jonas said Maggie Carranza, 47, and her mother, 71-year-old Emma Hernandez, were delivering Los Angeles Times newspapers around 5:15 a.m. in Torrance when the officers opened fire on their vehicle.
Jonas said, "There was no warning. There were no orders. No commands. Just gunshots."
A patrol unit was reportedly assigned to protect the home of a high-ranking LAPD officer during the manhunt for 33-year-old Dorner, who is believed to have killed a Riverside cop Thursday and an Irvine couple Sunday.
"Tragically, we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers," said Beck.
Jonas finds that hard to believe.
"The vehicle is a different color. The license plate doesn't match. There's nothing there for you to start shooting people. And even if they had the person in question... Mr. Dorner...you still have to give them an opportunity to get out. You can't just start administering street justice," said Jonas.
Carranza suffered minor injuries to her hand from shattering glass.
Hernandez, who was shot in the back, is in ICU at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center.
KCAL9's Jeff Nguyen said she was listed in good condition.
Look at that truck. The whole city of cops went nuts. Not even the same color. Tell me again, jtprin, how this was just cops killing a cop killer? This was a clusterfuck of epic proportions, by the world's best trained police department. I think this is a taste of what's coming on a national level soon enough. We should ALL be very skeptical of this new radical attempt to take our high cap mags and rifles. The State of the Union address turned into a circle jerk for banning guns. I am afraid, you should ALL be very afraid.
Law enforcement officers look over the scene of an officer involved shooting in Torrance, Calif., Thursday, Feb. 7, 2013. The shooting is believed to related to the manhunt for fired Los Angeles police officer, Christopher Dorner. / AP Photo/Chris Carlson
LOS ANGELES The two women who were mistakenly shot by LAPD officers searching for triple murder suspect Christopher Dorner Thursday said they had no warning beforehand, the victims' lawyer told CBS Los Angeles.
Play Video[h=3]Police may be closing in on shooting spree suspect[/h]
Attorney Glen Jonas said Maggie Carranza, 47, and her mother, 71-year-old Emma Hernandez, were delivering Los Angeles Times newspapers around 5:15 a.m. in Torrance when the officers opened fire on their vehicle.
Jonas said, "There was no warning. There were no orders. No commands. Just gunshots."
A patrol unit was reportedly assigned to protect the home of a high-ranking LAPD officer during the manhunt for 33-year-old Dorner, who is believed to have killed a Riverside cop Thursday and an Irvine couple Sunday.
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"Tragically, we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers," said Beck.
Jonas finds that hard to believe.
"The vehicle is a different color. The license plate doesn't match. There's nothing there for you to start shooting people. And even if they had the person in question... Mr. Dorner...you still have to give them an opportunity to get out. You can't just start administering street justice," said Jonas.
Carranza suffered minor injuries to her hand from shattering glass.
Hernandez, who was shot in the back, is in ICU at Harbor-UCLA Medical Center.
KCAL9's Jeff Nguyen said she was listed in good condition.
Look at that truck. The whole city of cops went nuts. Not even the same color. Tell me again, jtprin, how this was just cops killing a cop killer? This was a clusterfuck of epic proportions, by the world's best trained police department. I think this is a taste of what's coming on a national level soon enough. We should ALL be very skeptical of this new radical attempt to take our high cap mags and rifles. The State of the Union address turned into a circle jerk for banning guns. I am afraid, you should ALL be very afraid.
He said "killing innocent civilians to make a political point is a little far fetched". I asked how, it happens in foreign countries all the time (american soldiers ordered to take innocent lives), showing that it's not too far fetched because it already happens on a daily basis. No strawman argument at all. Keep trying to act smart though.