"Burn that fucking house down!"

Thread starter ClaytonBigsby
Start date Feb 13, 2013

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brimck325

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#41

someone said waco, i was thinking move and ramona africa, same thing, different murders.

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gioua

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#42

ClaytonBigsby said:
The sheriff told all of the reporters to stay away and ordered all helos away "for their safety". There was a reporter on the ground shooting video, and he recorded them yelling to burn the house down. CNN has it on full blast right now. They had an ex FBI asst director on the line and he was mumbling, fumbling, over it.

this is the new censorship... under the guise of national or state security... look forward to this being the new normal..

Sorry you cant report on this breaking news.. as it the subject may read newspapers as well...

GreatwhiteNorth

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#43

jtprin said:
He wasn't willing to turn himself in so a fair trial wouldn't have been possible.

This is an assumption - but since they murdered him we'll never know will we.

jtprin said:
He was going to shoot to kill until he escaped, which is why he never came out of the cabin.

Assumption #2. Would you have come out knowing you would be shot down on sight ?

jtprin said:
Put it this way, if one of your dearest family members or friends worked as an officer and was shot and killed by a criminal and this happened, I guarantee you wouldn't be thinking about his "fair trial".

Put it this way, if your 71 year old grandmother was named Emma Hernandez I would be wondering why LAPD tried to murder her and her daughter with no warning.

I doubt you will find anyone whom believes Dorner to be innocent, but since the beginning of this drama, LEO made it a vigilante mission with shoot to kill orders. That makes them the bigger criminal.

Additionally, since Dorner only targeted people on his list, and LEO fired at random on innocent civilians, the conclusion is that your are much more likely as a citizen of LA to be shot by the police than an (alleged) serial killer.

theQuetzalcoatl

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#44

The issue Jtprin can't seem to grasp is that they didn't kill him in self defense. They straight up burned down the house he was in in order to murder him. It's not the same thing. Shooting him in retaliation for shooting at them is one thing. Tear gassing him and him choking to death rather than coming out similar to shooting him in defense. Surrounding the cabin then setting fire to it, standing there watching it burn with guns firmly planted in their shoulders waiting to cut him in half the second he walks out the door is criminal.

Winter Woman

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#45

I didn't agree with the Move. It was murder too.

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jtprin

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#46

Winter Woman said:
I actually don't hate cops. They do a job I would not want to do. But, it is not their job to murder people, it is their job to apprehend people. The police didn't have to burn him like Waco. They didn't even have to go in, just wait him out, tear gas, flash grenades, etc. Or like I said wait him out they did have him surrounded, did they not? He wasn't going anywhere.

My point is moot because they murdered him. I am surprised that you agree with murder.

I don't agree with murder, but this guy had already murdered multiple people, tied up innocent people, stole vehicles, etc. Wait him out? Like after all of this he was going to stop, accept what he was doing was wrong, and be willing to spend the rest of his life in prison? The ONLY way I agree with you is if the media is setting this up to make Dorner look guilty when he's not.

This absolutely could be another set up by the government to try and ban guns. I wasn't thinking about that before, but it could be.

Carne Seca

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#47

I think we can all (hopefully) agree that there is blame to be had by all. Dormer for his rampage and the LAPD for their unprofessionalism and clearly vigilante style justice. Regardless of his actions and the potential for future violence he should have been given a chance to surrender. The helicopters had him under surveillance. There was absolutely no way of escape. Bullhorns or even a cellphone delivered by one of their bomb robots could have established contact with Dorner. They chose to see him dead at any cost.

This was a LAPD generated tragedy and the responsibility lies squarely on their shoulders.

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jtprin

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#48

theQuetzalcoatl said:
The issue Jtprin can't seem to grasp is that they didn't kill him in self defense. They straight up burned down the house he was in in order to murder him. It's not the same thing. Shooting him in retaliation for shooting at them is one thing. Tear gassing him and him choking to death rather than coming out similar to shooting him in defense. Surrounding the cabin then setting fire to it, standing there watching it burn with guns firmly planted in their shoulders waiting to cut him in half the second he walks out the door is criminal.

They were acting in retaliation, he shot multiple officers.

Grandpapy

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#49

The spin has happened. I checked several news sites and no mention of "burn the house down" or "gas being used".

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jtprin

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#50

Grandpapy said:
The spin has happened. I checked several news sites and no mention of "burn the house down" or "gas being used".

I believe there is a recording of it actually.

nick88

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#51

jtprin said:
So you suggest sending more officers into the cabin, putting them at an unneccesary risk for being killed, all so that Dorner (who is the one doing the killing) can have a fair trial? Are you fucking insane?

No, they said wait him out. he couldnt go anywhere. Why cant some people comprehend what the hell they read, and not twist it to say something else.

Winter Woman

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#52

jtprin said:
They were acting in retaliation, he shot multiple officers.

There it is - retaliation. That is not what police are supposed to be about.

GreatwhiteNorth

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#53

jtprin said:
They were acting in retaliation, he shot multiple officers.

Retaliation = Revenge

KushXOJ

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#54

So they fired him(no pun intended) for a police report he filed on another officer for mis-conduct?

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jtprin

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#55

Winter Woman said:
There it is - retaliation. That is not what police are supposed to be about.

Again, so Dorner can shoot and kill officers but they can't kill him? It's self defense, except the police are the victims in this situation. My concern is that the media may have made it look like he's a murderer when he's not, in order to push gun control on us. Maybe they killed him so he couldn't tell his story? It's possible, but if the situation happened legitimately, then why can't the cops act in self defense?

dirtsurfr

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#56

So your sayn that shooting inocent bystanders is all part of getting the bad guy?
I say the whole thing is on them for this mess and I guarrentee no public investigation will be held.
The cops that shot those women should be brought up on charges, attempted murder and what ever kind of charges that would rain down on
the common Joe. Betcha nothing happens!!
How the Hell did he get on as a cop in the first place? He was mentaly unstable to do a thing like this,
and I belive he filed a report on some thing that happened and it got coverd up and him fired.
I want to see what the convict that was the one that got abused has to say...

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jtprin

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#57

No, the officers who shot innocent people are pathetic, I'm not defending them. But not all officers are like that.

Fungus Gnat

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#58

KushXOJ said:
So they fired him(no pun intended) for a police report he filed on another officer for mis-conduct?

Another question is why is a disciplinary board overseen by cops? Why not citizens?

theQuetzalcoatl

Active Member

#59

jtprin said:
Again, so Dorner can shoot and kill officers but they can't kill him? It's self defense, except the police are the victims in this situation. My concern is that the media may have made it look like he's a murderer when he's not, in order to push gun control on us. Maybe they killed him so he couldn't tell his story? It's possible, but if the situation happened legitimately, then why can't the cops act in self defense?

YES EXACTLY! It is their job to ARREST him not murder him unless he gives them no choice. They HAD him. They burned it down anyway.

ClaytonBigsby

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#60

jtprin said:
You're angry because they killed somebody who was on a killing spree? A lot of cops are corrupt and plain stupid, especially the idiots that shot at innocent people without any real inclination Dorner was there... but come on, this man murdered multiple people and clearly wasn't turning himself in, all while shooting at police officers.

jtprin said:
He wasn't willing to turn himself in so a fair trial wouldn't have been possible. He was going to shoot to kill until he escaped, which is why he never came out of the cabin. Put it this way, if one of your dearest family members or friends worked as an officer and was shot and killed by a criminal and this happened, I guarantee you wouldn't be thinking about his "fair trial".

In what city are you a cop? I see barricade siutations all of the time where they wait out the perp, even a shooter, in a busy neighborhood. They have gas, and many other tools they culd have used. This was a cop, who wanted to expose corruption in the LAPD. We've all seen the movies that are made for a reason. This guy was isolated and surrounded in a forest. He would run out of ammo soon enough, or been overcome with any number of tools the police have for such an occasion. THIS was straight up shut the MF up murder.

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