Wealth distribution in the US

NLXSK1 said:
Rich people earned their money for the most part.
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Yeah right.
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abandonconflict said:
Yeah right.
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You need to move north just a little bit, There is more opportunity from what I have been hearing...If you really knew how hard people work to build there business you would have a different point of view...My employee's love working for me we are like family....I pay my employee's 10% of my gross sales so if I have 10k dallors worth of sales in one day they would make 1k each...It's like profit sharing...It depends on what time of year but I have 2/3 employee's....

I didn't have alot of money when I started my business, I started with 800.00 to my name...I learned a trade from working for someone else, then I started my own business, thats how it works..Don't give up ever....
 
Padawanbater2 said:
Not if you make it because you figured out a way to ensure you keep 95% of the profits while all the workers and people it took to create your product compete over the remaining 5%.

Example Please??????????? cause I have NEVER heard of anyone making that kind of profit especially if your in one of Obamas UNIONS. the unions or workers broke GM and broke Dodge.

If this was a classroom and a student wanted to have a bake sale, it would be similar to to her selling $200 worth of baked goods and me, as the teacher, keeping $195 because I convinced the administration the proceeds would go to charity. Anyone who claims the situation is different has yet to explain HOW it is different. Workers create the product, and see a fraction of the profits. Wages have shifted from a reasonable middle class wage, able to afford a house, a couple kids, a college education and a decent car, to a seemingly exponential CEO wage, where middle class people struggle to pay for basic needs, like milk, butter and eggs. Forget about your kids college fund, because it's on the back burner until the bills get paid.. Theirs keeps rising while ours stays stagnant. Why? How? Fair? Reasonable?

APPLES AND ORANGES AGAIN. Give me a real life example of this. Not some BS you have come up with cause you THINK thats how it is.


It blows my mind how even some middle class people (like CS) can see this stuff and still remain on the wrong side of the argument. The poor who hope the system stays the same so that they can one day make it themselves and be a big shot with a ton of money whose able to look back at everyone else and feel superior because they were "smart enough" to make it in such a fucked up system.. It's clear as day at this point the entire system is rigged against any hardworking blue collar family, and you have to be one immoral sick fuck to be a part of such a system and fuck over your fellow citizen, your neighbor, just to get more of the pie for yourself. They should have a word for such disgusting people.
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I can tell you have NEVER owned any kind of business that has to deal with the government.
Currently the USA has one of the HIGHEST Corporate Income taxes rates in the WORLD.
Oh Man you really have no idea what the fuk you are talking about. This guy is Just a Kid brainwashed by the left.
 
Hemlock said:
I can tell you have NEVER owned any kind of business that has to deal with the government.
Currently the USA has one of the HIGHEST Corporate Income taxes rates in the WORLD.
Oh Man you really have no idea what the fuk you are talking about. This guy is Just a Kid brainwashed by the left.
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The reason I'm this immoral sick fuck, is because I own copyrighted intellectual property. I made it, so it's my business what I do with it. If I just want to sit on it so others can't write about my ideas, my business. Damn right it's because I'm selfish. If there's anyone who doesn't like it, go pound salt and copyright your own ideas.
 
Padawanbater2 said:

Honestly, dude.. from your history on this forum, my impression of you is that you're a terrible person, only interested in securing your own future, not concerned with anyone but yourself. If someone has found a way to screw over 60% of the rest of the country, it's because he was smart enough to do it! This is someone we should look up to according to you and your philosophy.
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This is funny to me, because it sounds like you are brainwashed with Progressive soup.

If and when we stop acting like such busy bodies and only so worried about excoriating others with a self-defined blame game; only then can we get to the enlightened self interest that we inherited from the Founders.

You can't jack this into some sort of Charity State. That's not the Constitution. Self interest, freedom of expression and not to care one whit about these stupid theories is where I live. Freedom from you.
 
Doer said:
This is funny to me, because it sounds like you are brainwashed with Progressive soup.

If and when we stop acting like such busy bodies and only so worried about excoriating others with a self-defined blame game; only then can we get to the enlightened self interest that we inherited from the Founders.

You can't jack this into some sort of Charity State. That's not the Constitution. Self interest, freedom of expression and not to care one whit about these stupid theories is where I live. Freedom from you.
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Uh oh. I think you made his terrible person list.
 
cannabineer said:
Make "immediate" the second-last word, and yes. cn
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But, the new deal was such a fraud, from a fraud President that would not have been elected, had he stood up and tried to tell the truth from crutches.

And yes, there is racism, and FDR was an appeaser of Hitler. That kind of racism was what FDR proposed. Help the Blacks, but, turn down the Jews from Europe. Don't send them anywhere, just don't let them come here. Oh, if you are a rocket scientist, it's OK. Just a wandering jew? We already have black people.

Double dipped the depression because he was born an elitist and was rejected from his social standing.

A wannabe that lashed out at his social group for that rejection and had to fraud WE to get it done. It's why we have the 22 A. And only in crazyland do we see these frauds as a good thing.
 
Canna Sylvan said:
Uh oh. I think you made his terrible person list.
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I'm already there. But, I'm for him and you. We get to chase happiness. We DO NOT get to define it for others.

We can only define that for ourselves...then we get to see if it's allowed, and the we decide if or not to enter the chase.
 
You know what I have found over and over is that the folks who advocate for for higher pay for others are actually doing it for themselves...I used to feel I was entitled to a livable or even more wage when I was doing basic grunt work...I sulked about and whined how unfair it was that I had kids and could barely pay for anything...and I masked my whining about myself as advocation for others..like "they" should make more money and screw the owners of the means of production...then i realized I could not cry for the rest of my life and my kids would not get shit if I kept up with the grunt labor shit...

So what did I do, I worked multiple jobs and scraped and saved every penny and opened my own shop...which by the way is the hardest work I have EVER done..being a marketer, tech, accountant, hr, everything it is difficult...like 8-9 months of every single day working atleast 10 hours at the shop and then more at home....I finally take a day off now:)

Point to the story...nobody owes anybody anything....You owe yourself to get out there and work...I should not have to pay someone who CHOOSES to work at walmart the same wages I struggled day and night to earn in the beginning with my business...why do they deserve that livable wage...because they chose an easier route then starting their own business?

The shit is hard and most of the folks I know who have deep pockets have busted there ass and never got a kick down from mommy and daddy...now there are people out there like that (and I hope my kids will be one of them) but I also am raising my kids to be good people....we volunteer, donate and just simply help out people...I am no way near the top or rich but I have come from homeless on the streets with kids to being able to live a comfortable life...but the point still stands just because I live a comfortable life that I EARNED does that mean I have to give away sizable amounts of what I earned to give some person who CHOOSES to work at a gas station and work 8 hours a day and two days off a week a livable wage?
 
Canna Sylvan said:
It's not a metaphor, it's the truth. Poker is too hard. It doesn't favor the player as much as you want. It's unfair. Those casinos are part of the problem. The disparity between the house and player is unacceptable. We need government to step in to even the playing field. Corrupt bastards.
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Also there is no house advantage in poker. poker is a player v player game where the house merely takes a rake, a small percentage of the pot up to a capped number, think a tax. A game where the house has an advantage is something such as blackjoack, roulette, craps, and slot machines.

metaphor fail. go back to your lettuce.
 
Doer said:
But, the new deal was such a fraud, from a fraud President that would not have been elected, had he stood up and tried to tell the truth from crutches.

And yes, there is racism, and FDR was an appeaser of Hitler. That kind of racism was what FDR proposed. Help the Blacks, but, turn down the Jews from Europe. Don't send them anywhere, just don't let them come here. Oh, if you are a rocket scientist, it's OK. Just a wandering jew? We already have black people.

Double dipped the depression because he was born an elitist and was rejected from his social standing.

A wannabe that lashed out at his social group for that rejection and had to fraud WE to get it done. It's why we have the 22 A. And only in crazyland do we see these frauds as a good thing.
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But is that to point? My point was that the New Deal was the socialist camel's nose. We are, for better then for worse, on a socialist path. Thus "immediate" ... it greatly benefited their generation at the serious expense of their grandchildren. I hold that socialism cannot work because it disregards the remarkably limited nature of real wealth, not just money. cn
 
Well right, that was your point I was playing off. But, FDR makes Doer see RED. :)

Yes, socialism started by FDR and then covered over by WW2 and the Cold War is already proved to be unworkable.

It was good to cozy Stalin at the time, I suppose. But, now, as you say, all we see is the dregs to un-ravel and re-mend. A big scar, I agree. I think the system is already healing, however. It will be bad for the world as it does.

We are still heading deeper into Global Depression, if you ask me. I don't think we have the mind power to do this on purpose, but it is the pursuit of happiness, that will see it righted, I think. China's communist party is doomed. And we did it.
 
I don't have your optimism. I don't think we're healing. i think we're third-century Rome, headed for a bad time. cn
 
Everyone defines wealth for themselves, the happiest people are the ones who define it for themselves rather than using someone else's definition.
 
cannabineer said:
I don't have your optimism. I don't think we're healing. i think we're third-century Rome, headed for a bad time. cn
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Rome was not Constituted by Che-ists. No one set it up, whole cloth. It evolved through many forms and never did end slavery and never did have a representative govt a Senate with Power. Gaius, saw to to that, and then Octavian chasing Mark Antony to consolidate the Cesare, began the long decline, imo. The protection against Rome style decline is well covered as a safety touch-back, in the Constitution. Armed Self rule.
 
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