Opiates

[aknight3]

Subs are rediculously hard to get off of. they arent hard to manipulate for IV either. they seem to work for some people tho i suppose.

IMO dr's need to take better care of people when they are trying to taper/kick the bupe. if the person is serious, and stable enough... u can use a weak full agonist to ease the wd pain. only if needed, and for as short as possible. it helped me out a lot doing that.

subs are tough tog et off of if you jump even from a low dose, the trick to bupe is to wean so slowly you dont notice it or barley notice it, like 1mg then .75 then .50 then .25 then .10 and lower if you have to, otherwise, bupe wd will be tough and sucky. and by the way i was on subs for 2 years, the strips and i did IV them, it worked very well for me, and i was able to kick when i needed to with little help. i agree about drs though, best of luck to anyone trying to fight this demon.

the only negative about sub strip IV is since the strips contain some type of sugary/sticky substance, if you dont water down REALLY well or dont rotate IV spots your veins goto shit VERY quick, who knows what my hear valves look like though, its def not safe to iv and i wouldnt condone it,but i did do it everyday for about a year and im stil alive...i guess lol

 

[Dale Earnhardt]

Well I had a costruction fall 15 years ago and the doctors made me a addict.For you to call JUNKIES worthless shows how retarded you are.Ive been on everything from patches,morphine,opana,Kadien,Avinza, oxycontin20,30,40 and 80mg,15,30mg oxyIR and zanex.Ive been on so many i cant even rememberhalf of them.Today im on 160 mg of methadone and would not suggest useing the methadone.. to get you off th H.It takes allmost 90 days to even fill somewhat normal.,Good luck bro and ill keep you and all the other addicts suffering today in my prayers.If the withdrawells get too bad a couple of methadone 10s will ease the leg cramps and shakes

 

[Bear Country]

we all seem to agree buprenorphine/suboxone over methadone.
just dont let the dr force you to take more than you need. most people shouldnt need more than 8-16 mg tops. and lots of people get put on 24-32 mg which is crazy imo. and dont take it for a long time if u dont want to. you dont have to take it for a year or more just becuase your dr says so. it all depends on your life, and your mentality towards wanting to quit.
sometimes an extended stretch of opiate maintence can help u straighten out your life, so that when your ready you dont have to deal with an entire lifetimes worth of crazyness while trying to go c/t. but if u can just quit c/t, do it.
im really against the OP going to CO and getting more dope. its his choice tho! sry for going on and on. i just hoped i could help a bit.

Yes good point.....you may not need such a high dose and time frame is also something to consider but one can make that decision as your moving along through the journey.....I want to add.....I have never struggled with this addiction...but I have worked with people that are trying to beat the addiction.....I know and see what people go through......its brutal

 

[curious2garden]

I rather like the Duck's Suboxone advice in this instance ... less of a fight to get clean compared to methadone. What is your opinion on that? cn

My opinion on Suboxone is to avoid it. From my anecdotal experience Suboxone appears to be a far worse nightmare than Heroin or Methadone. But that is only my opinion. Frankly it would be easiest to ratchet people down by giving them smaller doses then dropping to a less potent opiate.

Honestly though nothing is going to work. Prohibition and control of substances never works it merely drives the problem underground creating a black market economy surrounding it. This actually increases use! In a sane system all substances would be legal to anyone who is an adult. Then we could finally focus on helping people who get addicted to these substances without them becoming cash cows for a prison based economy.

I want to say one more thing about why I recommended Methadone maintenance (and of course the longer half-life you go the tougher it is to eventually get clean). The OP is going to be a stranger. He is involved in a move and establishing in a new area. How in heck do you walk into a doctor and get them to give you Bup or anything that is going to carry you over. I suggested Methadone because that is well-established in the US Public Health system and he'd be likely to find it there and willing to work with him. Much less so any doctor. I'm trying to suggest something that can actually be done.

If we are talking the best way to kick I'm going general anesthesia.

 

[Bear Country]

Well I had a costruction fall 15 years ago and the doctors made me a addict.For you to call JUNKIES worthless shows how retarded you are.Ive been on everything from patches,morphine,opana,Kadien,Avinza, oxycontin20,30,40 and 80mg,15,30mg oxyIR and zanex.Ive been on so many i cant even rememberhalf of them.Today im on 160 mg of methadone and would not suggest useing the methadone.. to get you off th H.It takes allmost 90 days to even fill somewhat normal.,Good luck bro and ill keep you and all the other addicts suffering today in my prayers.If the withdrawells get too bad a couple of methadone 10s will ease the leg cramps and shakes

I to was seriously injured 20 plus years ago...and you are right ...the Doctors were handing that shit out to me like candy.....They had put me on a pain management plan.....all that means is they give you painkillers of one form or another.......I finally just said fuck these guys....I did not like where it was taking me so I just stopped the meds right then....suffered like a mother and still do....my back is a total loss....my knees are shot....my shoulders are fucked....I just smoke weed these days to ease the stress from living in constant pain.....it blows but my choices are limited....I just live with it.

 

[Bear Country]

My opinion on Suboxone is to avoid it. From my anecdotal experience Suboxone appears to be a far worse nightmare than Heroin or Methadone. But that is only my opinion. Frankly it would be easiest to ratchet people down by giving them smaller doses then dropping to a less potent opiate.

Well....it is addictive as well soooooo damed if you do and damed if you dont!

 

[curious2garden]

Well....it is addictive as well soooooo damed if you do and damed if you dont!

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Yes and that sort of applies to the US's entire prohibition system surrounding drugs.

 

[rory420420]

Not good fam. Where's the love for humans..you sound like hitler..well get the junkies,I mean jews,I meanwhoever I don't agree with..I figured someone who has a stealie avatar would have an open mind..not saying opuiats are bad,but your attitude is worse...be kind dude..we all known an addict who fucked up,but I'm living proof and addict can succed..I did dope for years and stoped cause I wanted too..so help,no methadone..subpoxone wasn't even known..and I was allways a standup character..if anything I used closed minded people like you for my personal gain like you use junkies to further your superior self image..any how..don't be a dick is what I'm trying to get acroos.people are peopl,and not objects of ego.

 

[Xrangex]

First off I apologize to those offended by this kinda
thread being a newb. I have actually returned but
starting anew.. And I'm not interested in anyone's
personal info just advise! I have an incredibly bad
"H" habit and am moving to Denver where only blk tar
is available. We only have colombian(most call china wht)
and is snortable.. I've lost most of my sight and cannot
fire "at will", and last time I tried getting well ssmoking
that tar it was a disaster.. Thru family/friends deal in it here
and I have a habit with this kind (so much stronger) and
my last trip to SF I just couldn't get well with blk tar..
it was an absolute nightmare! I realize its best to jjust
bite the bullet and kick! But anyone know if its possible
to freeze or dryout tar then snort w/cut or easy way oof smoking?

Before I shot the first time I used to fill a shot glass like 1/5th full of water and drop your hit in there, get it mixed well and use a straw to snort it. Keep your head up though it'll want to drip out. It'll also taste like BBQ asshole shit, but it's better than smoking that shit. (used tin foil and a hollowed out highlighter)

Tried smoking tar in a glass rose but that shit got DIRTY and it tastes about the same.

 

[cannabineer]

My opinion on Suboxone is to avoid it. From my anecdotal experience Suboxone appears to be a far worse nightmare than Heroin or Methadone. But that is only my opinion. Frankly it would be easiest to ratchet people down by giving them smaller doses then dropping to a less potent opiate.

Honestly though nothing is going to work. Prohibition and control of substances never works it merely drives the problem underground creating a black market economy surrounding it. This actually increases use! In a sane system all substances would be legal to anyone who is an adult. Then we could finally focus on helping people who get addicted to these substances without them becoming cash cows for a prison based economy.

I want to say one more thing about why I recommended Methadone maintenance (and of course the longer half-life you go the tougher it is to eventually get clean). The OP is going to be a stranger. He is involved in a move and establishing in a new area. How in heck do you walk into a doctor and get them to give you Bup or anything that is going to carry you over. I suggested Methadone because that is well-established in the US Public Health system and he'd be likely to find it there and willing to work with him. Much less so any doctor. I'm trying to suggest something that can actually be done.

If we are talking the best way to kick I'm going general anesthesia.

I might need that number for Michael's doctor after all. Ahhhh propofol. (Wonder how it smokes.) cn

 

[aknight3]

Not good fam. Where's the love for humans..you sound like hitler..well get the junkies,I mean jews,I meanwhoever I don't agree with..I figured someone who has a stealie avatar would have an open mind..not saying opuiats are bad,but your attitude is worse...be kind dude..we all known an addict who fucked up,but I'm living proof and addict can succed..I did dope for years and stoped cause I wanted too..so help,no methadone..subpoxone wasn't even known..and I was allways a standup character..if anything I used closed minded people like you for my personal gain like you use junkies to further your superior self image..any how..don't be a dick is what I'm trying to get acroos.people are peopl,and not objects of ego.

did you actually read any of my posts before you called me a close minded dick and singled me and my avatar out??...if you didnt, try that, if you did, read again...

 

[rory420420]

No I just got your general attitude..don't come here be like that etc..I'm not here to argue...I'm here for truth..be it from me or you.....

 

[Anotherlover]

First off I apologize to those offended by this kinda
thread being a newb. I have actually returned but
starting anew.. And I'm not interested in anyone's
personal info just advise! I have an incredibly bad
"H" habit and am moving to Denver where only blk tar
is available. We only have colombian(most call china wht)
and is snortable.. I've lost most of my sight and cannot
fire "at will", and last time I tried getting well ssmoking
that tar it was a disaster.. Thru family/friends deal in it here
and I have a habit with this kind (so much stronger) and
my last trip to SF I just couldn't get well with blk tar..
it was an absolute nightmare! I realize its best to jjust
bite the bullet and kick! But anyone know if its possible
to freeze or dryout tar then snort w/cut or easy way oof smoking?

Try google Ibogaine if you are serious about kicking.

 

[rory420420]

All I say is you seed harsh..and read what you reposted..I never mentioned close minded dick...but closed minded is how u come across...like the dead?..my life has revolved around em..jerry was junked up..but a good man...nice avatar.

 

[rory420420]

I b good fam.love you all.

 

[rory420420]

You just seemed so harsh towards homeboy..don't take me the wrong way....

 

[rory420420]

And not attacking you..just seeing the lifestyle you rep and being fam I was kindaweirdied out by an unposted friend..

 

[rory420420]

I got respect for mods,not for fear but for..well respect...

 

[Domed]

Grapefruit x Water x Tar + Stomach = Nodtown
Use like a gram if you gotta tolerance...

 

[aknight3]

quote .don't be a dick is what I'm trying to get acroos.people are peopl,and not objects of ego. unquote. THAT is what you said...


If you would again, go back and read this thread from the first post, you would see that i wasnt talking to the OP i was actually talking to the person who put the OP down, now ill ask one more time, please go back to page 1 and read this whole thread until this post, i am an ex junkie, heroin, fentanyl, dilaudid, roxis, oc80s blah blah blah ive been addicted to it all, i currently still take suboxone for general maintence sometimes. and yes my life revolved around jerry to for a little while, i am GD family. I get hugs and welcome at ANY lot.



im not trying to be an asshole or anything but you called me close minded while i stuck up for the OP from some guy who called him a junkie, i think your singling out the wrong person here, so like i said, go and read this thread from the begining, after that im sure you will understand where youve made your mistake. good luck all