DYNA GROW IS > (greater than) ADVANCED NUTRIENTS
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indyboarder57
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Aloha guys. I am using the dyna grow/bloom/protek/mag pro with excellent results so far. I am growing in a promix soiless medium, under a 400w hps. I have started using Liquid Karma (micro nute/bacteria from botani care) , molasses and bloombastic as supplements. No nute burns as of yet, I just follow the dyna chart online, however my question is, should I get a cal mag supplement as well? And has anyone used litmus paper for testing run off or nutrient solution? Just because I use molasses and it gets pretty dark. I just dont want to shell out big bucks for another faulty pen.thanks for any info.
chuck estevez
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Oh smarty,Please tell me how I am wrong and I will prove EVERY TIME that you have no clue. you better read this before you answer and make yourself look more stupid https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/361430-dwc-root-slime-cure-aka.html
chuck estevez
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waste of money and pointless,just saying
indyboarder57
Active Member
Chuck- why is it a waste of time and money? I thought the roots, coupled with the mychrozite bacteria in promix would be benefited by at least liquod karma. Could you please help me out in my nutrient fall outs. Mahalo
chuck estevez
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A plant uses 16 nutrients, no more,no less. You provided all that with just the dyna-gro. After you finish your run, cut open your rootball. Take a good look, get a microscope. See if you have any fungus or soilweb going. I guarantee you don't. If you bred microbes and inoculated, then you might and the molasses would be good.
bottom line, either your growing organic which is breeding microbes and feeding those microbes which in turn feed the plant.
or synthetic, you supply all the nutrients which are broken down with chelating agents. one or the other, not both.
indyboarder57
Active Member
Well, if this helps, I switched from ffof, which as im sure you know is an organic medium. But I have yet to use bloombastic and molasses on my promix girls. Is the lack of organic bacteria in pro mix the factor that it would render molassis and bloombastic (carb supplements) useless? If that is the case, does dyna bloom by itself provide enough PK for flower? What yield booster, if any would you recommend? Or is it all as yo u said, "useless" because its in a promix non organic medium? Mahalo
chuck estevez
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organic = feeding the soil, molasses,ewc,teas.
synthetic=provide all nutrients from a chem nute.
the soil might start out as organic, but if you use chem nutes, those microbes are never going to take off and breed and multiply. If you fed them with teas and sugars/carbs and worked to make a environnment for them to thrive, now your organic.
indyboarder57
Active Member
Word. Not to throw myself into an arguement but I agree with you position on profiteering off of 16 different products to accomplish the same stuff. So I guess my question comes down to growing organic or sticking with a synthetic fert line. I guess ill just tinker around and just use a calcium supplement fot veg along with my dyna grow. Thanks for the info. Just read last three pages, sorry to be a repeating douche haha. Just an fyi botanicare seems like a reasonable organic (78%) and reasonable prices. Like 5 bottles total like dg.
chuck estevez
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Never used it, so can't really comment, but they seem to have some good products.
iSmokealottaweed
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Blah blah blah blah.
Use what you prefer and let others use what they want.
Wanna save some money when you order Advance Nutrients then go to Cheapadvancednutrients.com and do that. Buy 3 get the 4th item Free. Free shipping on orders over $135.
Use what you prefer and let others use what they want.
Wanna save some money when you order Advance Nutrients then go to Cheapadvancednutrients.com and do that. Buy 3 get the 4th item Free. Free shipping on orders over $135.
LBH
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$$ saving suggestion right there! This way, you're only wasting about $100 instead of $140
Botanicare is a great line as well but they seem to have gotten on the advanced business plan lately by adding more and more products to the line every 6 months. Thing is, growers are like fishermen. They want to try everything and anything that they think will help them do it better when in reality, it's not the car, it's the driver.
chuck estevez
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nicely put.$$ saving suggestion right there! This way, you're only wasting about $100 instead of $140
Botanicare is a great line as well but they seem to have gotten on the advanced business plan lately by adding more and more products to the line every 6 months. Thing is, growers are like fishermen. They want to try everything and anything that they think will help them do it better when in reality, it's not the car, it's the driver.
Sir.Ganga
New Member
Im not getting the mis-understanding on these 16 additives that everyone seem to have such a hard time with. Do you people really think your supposed to use all of them? AN has designed their product around the cannabis plant, they are the only company that does this. Their main, micro,grow, and bloom covers the general nutrient groups for all strains of cannabis, this doesn't mean that your specific strain will not require something in addition to the basic nutrients. This is where the additives come in. Some will require double the nitrogen, some in flower use carbs like crazy, some are slow to root and need a better enviorment and so on, there are so many different situations.
Each strain will react differently to each nutrient line, if understood the whole line of product AN offers doesn't have to be on your shelf but if you can read your girls you will have everything needed on hand when anything does happen.
I don't sell it, I understand it therfore I use.
Nizza
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My experience with dg is. Its awesome. Only problems I've had is the salts crystalizing , which is likely cause of it being frozen during transporting . I dilute the the whole bottle 1:1 with hot water and I write "x2" on the nute bottle so I remember to double the dose. I also am careful to thoroughly shake the mutes every time because it's so concentrated.
chuck estevez
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They get it directly from Advanced scammers. Look at what they tell you to be a Grand master grower, what a joke. they want you to buy 9 of there most expensive nutes.Im not getting the mis-understanding on these 16 additives that everyone seem to have such a hard time with. Do you people really think your supposed to use all of them? AN has designed their product around the cannabis plant, they are the only company that does this. Their main, micro,grow, and bloom covers the general nutrient groups for all strains of cannabis, this doesn't mean that your specific strain will not require something in addition to the basic nutrients. This is where the additives come in. Some will require double the nitrogen, some in flower use carbs like crazy, some are slow to root and need a better enviorment and so on, there are so many different situations.
Each strain will react differently to each nutrient line, if understood the whole line of product AN offers doesn't have to be on your shelf but if you can read your girls you will have everything needed on hand when anything does happen.
I don't sell it, I understand it therfore I use.
Each bundle of the Bigger Yields Flowering
System stacks on top of the previous bundle:
Hobbyist bundle, Expert Grower bundle,
Professional Grower bundle, Grand Master
Grower bundle — this progressively adjusts
the formulation, enabling a precise matching
of nutrients to the changing and specific
needs of your plant throughout its various
flowering phases
ChroniSuierkush
Active Member
Lol. I know the breakdown of nutrients in general (whether its advanced, fox farm, general organics, dyna-gro etc...) Its not that hard to understand how NPK benefit your plants. And then mg, ca, fe, s, mb, mn, (so on and so fourth) the POINT i was making is that, using DYNA-GRO i PERSONALLY am having WAY BETTER RESULTS, and MUCH HEALTHIERPLANTS, with WAY LESS EFFORT, and DEFINETLY WAY CHEAPER THAN ADVANCED NUTRIENTS. MAKING THE POINT THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WASTE THE MONEY TO BUY ALL THOSE EXPENSIVE ADVANCED NUTES WHEN YOU CAN GET THE SAME/ BETTER RESULTS WITH OTHER, much cheaper, much easier products. IM NOT TRYING TO PLUG DYNA GRO FOR ANY OTHER REASON THAN TO HELP MY FELLOW BOTONISTS AND SAVE THEM SOME CASH.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO HATE ON MY PERSONAL OPINION AND I LAUGH WHEN I SEE YOUR FEATHERS GET RUFFLED. If you wanna FEED THE ADVANCED BANK ACCOUNT BE MY GUEST, but i wont let them ROB ME anymore. Fruit.
Malevolence
New Member
This is bullshit and I wish you would stop spreading it.
Synthetic nutes do not kill benes. I don't know why you would say they do even after reading Heisenberg's thread.
First, the word "organic" just means the shit has a carbon molecule attached to it. Plastic is organic.
Second, the microbes in your "organic" garden are breaking materials down into the same chemical form our synthetic nutes are already in to begin with. A plant cannot absorb and use "organic" material.
The reason our benes die and are replaced every few days in hydro is because we are trying to create an environment where no one microbe gets a foothold and begins to take over. This is done by introducing so much microbial diversity that the bad shit (pythium, brown slime, etc) cannot gain foothold. But, another thing hydro growers are doing is not providing food the "bad" microbes. This is why the benes are replaced. Because they SHOULD be dying off because you SHOULD be starving anything living in your res. They are dying off from starvation, there is nothing organic for them to eat; not from synthetic nutes.
This one-two combo of inoculating the res with beneficial microbes, while starving everything in the res keeps the pathogens in check... but also requires the grower to keep adding more benes as they starve off. This is also why Heisenberg says not to use enzymes, since you should be starving your res, not feeding it.
In conclusion "synthetic nutes kill benes" is a bunch of bullshit.